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Sinister: El Gaupo Miller, he speaks the truth...
by mctag＠mcmail.com 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

Ok, some stuff 1 I agree with everyting Peter said about the list. OK, some things ('claims to fame' springs to mind) get out of hand, but I love these sidetracks. Susannah's photo shoots, lemurs, they break up the tedium of the working day, or are nice to see when you get home at night. Myself, I'd rather see that than pure naked facts, or psycho-analysis, but there's a place for everything whether facts, opinions, questions, anecdotes, ramblings, bollocks. Maybe we should save time for those who want to head straight for the bits they want and put special headings on the top of each message. But I read everything, some of it makes me go 'boring' or 'what the hell are you on about?', but there's a few gems every day. I reckon a love of B&S or whatever says a lot about a person, and it's nice to hear that confirmed sometimes when people get off-track. Don't you think? 2 Dreams. I had a dream once that the Manic Street Preachers were playing an accoustic set on Top of the Pops, wearing suits. They suddenly swapped their guitars for hairdryers, which they aimed at the audience and a riot ensued. I also dreamt that Henry Rollins kidnapped my best friend and we had to rescue her from a cage. I'm sure I've had Belle and Sebastian ones, but I can't remember any. I suppose I could make one up. 3 Simon Reynolds is a fool. What does he know? 4 Hey, what happened to those date announcements? Someone must know. Can't think of any records with human touches in them...I'm sure there are loads, but I'm tired and the house is cold. I can think of good talking bits in songs though. 'What colour are his eyes?' 'I dunno, he always wears shades' in 'Give him a great big kiss'. Or just about every single Lee Hazlewood record ever (Lee is God). A kiss on the elbow Tag xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Observations of the obvious kind
by Richard Banner 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

Its good to talk? ----------------- It seems a lot of what i read on the list is of total uninterest, with many personalised and 'informal' groups talking between themselves. I don't write much to the list because often you get what you want to here from a select few, even though you find yourself reading through pages of rubbish just for maybe a few sentences of sense. Remember this list is about BELLE + SEBASTIAN!!!! OK I'm maybe being a little bit harsh but quality before quantity surely. Things i've observed............ --------------------------------- 1. Many people on the list are : football fans part of a academic setup (email joy) 2. Many people want tigermilk - ok obvious, but isn't it only a matter of time before BOOTLEGS become available and the band start getting screwed. A re-release must be imminent? 3. Many people want to see B+S - ok obvious again, but i'm sure everyone connected with the list are waiting for info. about Manchester and are already forward planning. Out of interest why Manchester anyway? and why only two gigs? Ok i'm bored and i might be talking rubbish myself but i joined this list to talk about B+S. Finally i don't want to kiss ass but I'm grateful for the response i've had from previous emails. Call me ignorant but who are these people who respond? and what are there connection with the band? Anyway got to go, sorry to bore Feedback would be nice, good or bad In the immortal words of Roy Walker "Say what you see"( sorry non-Britain) Rich ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Three things
by susannah 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

Three things, thats all. 1) who is it speaking on a century of Elvis? Have you all discussed this already? Anyway that Soft Scottish accent makes me go all funny if you know what I mean..........Blimey. 2) In reference to the bit on 'You made me forget my dreams' where someone says "sorry I slept in" and Stuart Murdoch sighs, aren't those just the best bits on records? The way they make you realise that the artists whose music you are so infatuated with , are normal breathing people? Other favourite moments on records: New Order 'Every Little Counts' on Brotherhood where Barney sings the line 'I think you are a pig and should live in a zoo' and starts giggling. Others please. 3) RE: pop stars in funny dreams. I have recurring dreams about being stalked by Bobby Gillespie. God knows why. Susannah. susannah(a)tormentor.clara.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: SImon Reynolds and B&S
by Hopkins T 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

From the duchy of harringay a wire messenger emerged: > just been reading simon reynolds 1989(?) book > 'blissed out' and reading again about the whole > dreampop thang, and ohhh, i still like that whole > loop bit, but spacemen 3? and the excuses > reynolds makes for prog rock... hmmm. dubious. > wonder what he'd make of belle & sebastian? > Aside from 'Blissed Out', which I found fairly cheaply recently, the last thing I remember Reynolds writing was that we had had enough (too many?) fantastic songs and that what music needed was a load of noise that superceded the song (he wouldf justify such babble by going on about 'jouissance' and 'the demolition of self' and suchlike which is all very well until you realise he's doing it because, basically, he likes the Young Gods). No doubt he'd hate Belle and Sebastian for the reason that they are the best songwriters operating in the whole of pop music today. 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Sinister: I beg to differ
by Sven Fuchs 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

> It seems a lot of what i read on the list is of total > uninterest, I feel a bit reminded on Holden in "The Catcher Int The Rye", when he complained that his teacher encouraged his students to shout "Off-topic" (or something down that line) when the kid who was giving a talk started to talk about something different to the self chosen subject. >Just out of curiosity - people at work: have you got permission to do >this or are you being naughty? Naughty! Sven ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: And my latest project is......
by susannah 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

Inspired by Robert McTaggarts attempts with mocking up car crashes in the snow etc. I have decided to go the whole hog and spend an evening recreating those covers with a standard Boots camera....... Dog On Wheels Well, no, actually ' Elephant on Wheels' , a small wooden thing I brought back from India, not quite the same but will have to do. Ruffle my hair in that windswept unwashed stylee and think about how to create the colour ' green' without any of your ponsey camera filters. Decide to cast my mind back to the hangover I had on Saturday , and hey presto, instant jaundiced look. Nick my flatmates hooded top and go and stand outside the neighbours potted geranium. Set camera to auto-bollocks, pose and *CLICK*. Lazy Line Painter Jane Hmmmm. Got the filter thing sorted out now, unwrap a strawberry cream from flatmates box of Quality Street and stick pink cellophane wrapper over camera lens. Bung on old leather jacket from studenty days, find 50p and missing Rimmel lipstick in pocket and am well chuffed. Haven't got a copy of John Polkinghome or whatever, and never even heard of the guy. Think Albert Camus' 'The Plague' is pretentious enough so use that instead. Finally grab McDonalds' 99p sunglasses , sit in the window and think about life. *CLICK* Tigermilk Right then duke of whoever, Keith, Taggart etc, I'd like to see any of YOU lot do this convincingly. So here I am, sat on my bed, practically starkers, all for the sake of 'Art'. Look round for plausible customer.Finally settle on fluffy yellow 'Big Bird' from Sesame Street. It looks ridiculous. I feel ridiculous. It's at this point I begin to wonder if I've actually gone insane and hope my flatmate doesn't come back from Sainsbury's too soon. moving right along.... 3..6..9 seconds of light So how do you go about trying to look 12 when you're actually...like...25? Decide to try and look younger by washing off make-up and smiling. And I need to be all in white and silver, with a boy. Phone up my mate Dave. Explain the plan and ask him if he wouldn't mind shaving his beard of as that'll just look all wrong. Dave thinks I'm a nutter and hangs up. Decide to go it alone, dust my face in talcum powder and look for a clean white background. End up lying horizontal on my bedsheet as that's white and NEARLY clean.*CLICK* If You're Feeling Sinister Ooooooh got to get all intellectual for this one, and in red again. Use same sweet wrapper again as is almost same colour and my budget won't stretch to a box of Roses. Haven't got a copy of The Trial but DO have Franz Kafka's Metamorphoses and other Stories. My English teacher would have been proud. Pose thoughtfully for last time.*CLICK* NEXT WEEK: Invite my mates round with tea towels on their heads to do the Centrefold. susannah(a)tormentor.clara.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Magic, do do dooo, moments, do do doo....la la la la laaaaa laaa!
by Sarah 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

Did Richsay why B&S gigs in Manchester? I say why not!!! C'mon, how many times have they played down south now? Cakl me aperson with limited knowledege, but as far as I know, they have played their gigs either in Scotland or South East, its about time they came to the north! We like to listen to B&S too! Especially after a tiring night down at the whippet racing with a pint of bitter..... :) Magic B&S moment #2=the talking at the end of 'I could be dreaming'. The songs themselves are magic moments. (whoops, I nearly wrote magic mopeds...durr!) And i love 'with the boy who played bass guitar, with the boy who's wearing flares'. don't ask me why, one of those days i supose. -- Sarah ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: lemur page and funny looks
by Nigel Turner 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

I've always fancied going into a big chart record shop, strolling up to the counter, then pulling out a pair of dice - no, better make that 2 pairs of dice - then, when the shop assistant asks what I want, roll the dice across the counter, count up the spots on the dice and ask for that number record in the charts. That'd freak 'em out! Mind you, I often think that's how most people must choose their records anyhow, coz only a random selection method could possibly account for most of the records in the charts... Anyway, getting back on topic....I think lemurs are great too. It's a shame that so many of them feel the urge to leap off cliffs in that suicidal way of theirs.

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Re: Sinister: And my latest project is......
by DaveNicoll＠aol.com 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

In a message dated 13/11/97 14:54:08, you write: << Tigermilk Right then duke of whoever, Keith, Taggart etc, I'd like to see any of YOU lot do this convincingly. So here I am, sat on my bed, practically starkers, all for the sake of 'Art'. Look round for plausible customer.Finally settle on fluffy yellow 'Big Bird' from Sesame Street. It looks ridiculous. I feel ridiculous. It's at this point I begin to wonder if I've actually gone insane and hope my flatmate doesn't come back from Sainsbury's too soon. moving right along.... [Keith Watson] Sorry... do what? And also, why would you like to see us do this convincingly? Keith. >> Come on Keith, pay attention!! Your mission, should you wish to accept it, is to photographically recreate the cover of Tigermilk. Your challenger (susannah was it?) thinks you may have problems due to your obvious maleness. She obviously isn't reckoning on your vast abundance of female acquintances, who's assistance you could call upon. How about that young lady you were "associating" with at my party last year? On another topic, I'm afraid I too must come out against the current vogue for non-B&S related ramblings. I have the misfortune (like several other listees no doubt) of only being able to access the list from my place of work. In the interests of concientiousness (and keeping my job) I can only do this for small periods of time. This is made all the more difficult if I need to wade through endless meandering streams of thought in order to come across the nuggets of B&S content. Apologies if this all sounds a bit fascist, but surely the purpose of the list is to disseminate B&S info as widely as possible (hey..let's not start another pop thread). This means will only be defeated if the current conversation patterns lead to a rash of unsubscriptions. So keep up the irreverance, but a little less irrelevance please. David. "The chances are You'll proabably feel better If you stayed and played with yourself" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: susannah's project
by stephen troussé 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

> Inspired by Robert McTaggarts attempts with mocking up car crashes in the snow > etc. I have decided to go the whole hog and spend an evening recreating those > covers with a standard Boots camera....... I can only applaud your efforts, susannah. There are several other covers I would like to see recreated in a similar way: 1) Roxy Music's Stranded (needed: 1 panther) 2) Prefab Sprout's Steve McQueen (motorbike and rubbish beard) and 3) the Pogues' Rum, Sodomy and the Lash (tricky)... This lemur business is getting a bit tired... And anyway, meerkats are much cooler! For a cornucopia of intruiging meerkat information try http://www.meerkats.org... Finally, getting back on topic... was there a thread a while ago about close encounters with our favourite oddball popsters? Well anyway, here's mine: I was working up in Edinburgh at the Book Festival this summer, and one afternoon I went walking down the Royal Mile to watch the street entertainers. And who should I see watching some fire-breathing dwarf juggling kitchen knives??? Stevie Jackson, that's who. I could barely contain my excitement and went over to express my enthusiasm for his bravura performance of 'Like a Rolling Stone' at the Islington Chapel. I was wearing my mad playgroup leader orange B&S t-shirt at the time, and I think he probably thought I was some kind of stalker... Incidentally, duke, I think Simon Reynolds would almost definitely see B&S as crypto-cutie C86 throwbacks. Although he surprised me with eulogy of the Slits in this month's Uncut, so anything's possible... Stephen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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