Did you know what Princess Di's dress was made of on the night of
her accident?
Crushed Velvet.
Oops did I say that?
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Subject: Princess Die
Author: Leslie Chinea at US_LA_EMD
Date: 9/8/97 10:09 PM
thought this was about your speed...
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Subject: Princess Die
Author: Hayley Tapp at US_LA_EMD
Date: 9/8/97 5:03 PM
Did you guys hear about Princess Di's accident? She's been all over
the radio all week...as well as the dashboard and the windshield!
Ok, don't kill me. I'm just the messenger.
Hayley
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Hi,
I was wondering if anyone had any info on Belle and Sebastien
shows in the US, there were a lot of rumours about the band
playing in Boston, Philadelphia, etc... but the papers don't
have any listings...
rich.
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I know this has been discussed to death, but...
<< > I had the recent fortune of being able to attend the perhaps now fabled
> Sessions on 54th taping of Belle and Sebastian.
Me too. My girlfriend Callie and I were there, sitting right behind the
drummer. (It was funny watching him take pictures in between songs.)
Strangely, I've heard some *very* mixed reviews about this taping. How
could anyone not have felt privileged and honored to be there? Sure, they
played mostly new songs, but by Sunday night, they'd already become lodged in
my head as new favorites. And certainly they were more awkward and fumbling
than at Angel Orensanz, but that seemed entirely appropriate to both the
situation and B&S themselves. I'm confident that even the most cynical
attendees will be bragging to their grandchildren about having been there :).
I found out later that Beck was scheduled to do a taping the very next
afternoon. If only I'd known, I'd have been on the phone to Sony Studios in
search of passes for that, too!
mike appelstein
ciflux(a)aol.com
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John Stuart wrote:
>I look forward to the day they go back to doing to late show. Playing the
music they want to play, and getting rid of that old git Peel and his
crappy techno rubblish for good.
Well, you really asked for it, didn't you? I'd agree that Peel does play probably.....ooh, often as many as two crappy techno records in every show, but come on..........where else (in the world?) are you going to hear such great and diverse music as Peel plays ON ONE SHOW? The man's (virtually) irreplaceable - forget Radcliffe (whom I like, but..), forget Lamacq or any of your XFM dj's, they don't begin to cover the diversity of stuff that Peel does. I've been listening to Peel for almost 20 years, and have heard all the great bands (bar none!) FIRST on John Peel - ok, let's name drop a little, shall we.......Joy Division, The Fall, Orange Juice, Fire Engines, Gang of Four, Birthday Party, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, Public Enemy, My Bloody Valentine, Pavement, Belle & Sebastian(!) - heard 'em all on Peel first (and I'm talking their early stuff here, when no-one else wanted to know ). And I don't buy that "Yeah, he used to be good, but nowadays....." line either. Where else can you hear stuff like Neutral Milk Hotel, We, Dymaxion (if you've not heard of these, you ain't been LISTENING). I'm not saying that these bands wouldn't have made it without Peel, although I'm sure there are many who wouldn't, but no other dj that I'm aware of can claim to have championed so many great and deserving artistes. No one else comes close. Can I have the cheque now please, John?
Nigel
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>So where does that leave all the excellent bands Peel never played (Pulp
Erm.....just one cotton-picking minute there. He played Pulp back in 1985!!! And, yes, I do like Pulp.
> He's NOT
first off the block with new bands (only last night he was going on
about playing a record for the first time which he'd heard on Mary-Anne
Hobbs about a month ago, and Radcliffe was way ahead with B&S (who as
far as I know have never done a Peel session)).
I didn't say first with EVERY band (although nearly always with the ones that count), but the fact that you remember him talking about hearing a record played first on MAH suggests that this ain't too frequent an occurrence. Radcliffe was there early on B&S, admittedly, (couldn't say who was first for sure - couldn't really care) but Peel also played stuff from Tigermilk.
>As for the only measure
of a good radio show being variety, I'd have said any show that plays
the Spice Girls and the Prodigy is pretty diverse, that doesn't make it
good.
No, I said GREAT and DIVERSE.
> The problem with Peel is that because he's been around so long,
and in that time he has admittedly played quite a few good groups
Understatement of all time?
>(he'd
be doing pretty badly if he hadn't), he's been given God-like status by
people who now think whatever he plays must be good. For heaven's sake,
the man still plays Fall records...
I'm with you on this one. Although I felt obliged to jump to his defence (not that he needs anyone to defend him), I'm totally against deification, be it dj's, princesses, whatever. And the Fall haven't made a decent record since 1983.
Nigel
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>Well, you really asked for it, didn't you? I'd agree that Peel does play
>probably.....ooh, often as many as two crappy techno records in every show,
>but come on..........where else (in the world?) are you going to hear such
>great and diverse music as Peel plays ON ONE SHOW? The man's (virtually)
>irreplaceable - forget Radcliffe (whom I like, but..), forget Lamacq or any
>of your XFM dj's, they don't begin to cover the diversity of stuff that Peel
>does. I've been listening to Peel for almost 20 years, and have heard all
>the great bands (bar none!) FIRST on John Peel - ok, let's name drop a
>little, shall we.......Joy Division, The Fall, Orange Juice, Fire Engines,
>Gang of Four, Birthday Party, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, Public Enemy, My
>Bloody Valentine, Pavement, Belle & Sebastian(!) - heard 'em all on Peel
>first (and I'm talking their early stuff here, when no-one else wanted to
>know ). And I don't buy that "Yeah, he used to be good, but nowadays....."
>line either. Where else can you hear stuff like Neutral Milk Hotel, We,
>Dymaxion (if you've not heard of these, you ain't been LISTENING). I'm not
>saying that these bands wouldn't have made it without Peel, although I'm sure
>there are many who wouldn't, but no other dj that I'm aware of can claim to
>have championed so many great and deserving artistes. No one else comes
>close. Can I have the cheque now please, John?
>
>Nigel
So where does that leave all the excellent bands Peel never played (Pulp
and Blur spring to mind. Or is that too 'mainstream' for you?). He's NOT
first off the block with new bands (only last night he was going on
about playing a record for the first time which he'd heard on Mary-Anne
Hobbs about a month ago, and Radcliffe was way ahead with B&S (who as
far as I know have never done a Peel session)). As for the only measure
of a good radio show being variety, I'd have said any show that plays
the Spice Girls and the Prodigy is pretty diverse, that doesn't make it
good. The problem with Peel is that because he's been around so long,
and in that time he has admittedly played quite a few good groups (he'd
be doing pretty badly if he hadn't), he's been given God-like status by
people who now think whatever he plays must be good. For heaven's sake,
the man still plays Fall records...
Stuart G
>
>
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great bands (bar none!) FIRST on John Peel - ok, let's name drop a little, shall we.......Joy Division, The Fall, Orange Juice, Fire Engines, Gang of Four, Birthday Party, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, Public Enemy, My Bloody Valentine, Pavement, Belle & Sebastian(!) - heard 'em all on Peel first (and I'm
[Keith Watson]
Yes... but isn't this just because he plays virtually anything that's new - he's bound to score a few hts given that he's been on for 30 years. I notice that out of all of these, only two bands are from the 90's, and Belle and Sebastian were on Radcliffe first. Most of these bands were from the 80's, when he was on (almost intolerably) every night, with bands like Napalm Death and Terminal Cheescake, Wedding Present sessions every week and a love for bands like Stump - then he got into world music + acid house, and again managed to make his show virtually unlistenable by single-handedly picking bollock loads of shit tracks to play.
[ Incidentally - since B+S are in America at the moment in case people think this discussion is losing the thread a bit, there's not really much news to report, when they're back I suppose it'll get back on the track a bit.
Also, am I the only one to think that "Slow Grafitti" which was on the radio last night was not just a *tad* bit boring? ]
Cheers.
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It's certainly true that Radcliffe's not as good as he used to be, it's also true that Kevin Greening is shite. Peel's also a sad old bastard who's just become a parody of himself, he seems to just play any old pish and claim that it's a thrilling new modernist record. I haven't heard Mark Radcliffe play Belle and Sebastian yet (although I don't listen too much) on the mornin show, which is odd given that he played "The State that I am In" the week that Tigermilk was released, plus had the two sessions.
I find myself unable to enter into any mainstream/alternative debate just because these classifications are pointless, one of my favourite singles of the year has been "Remember me" by Blueboy, which could certainly be described as mainstream. There's no point in saying "Alternative is better because [say] The Smiths are better than the Spice girls". That's like saying "Mainstream is better because the Beatles are better than Thousand Yard Stare".
Keith.
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MOOSE!! what a great band!!! saw them live twice...great albums especially
"honey bee"...friends with the BOO RADLEYS...that awful woman from the
cranberries did backing vocals on "xyz" the first album (that was before she
became the famous warbler we know now"...very underrated band i think, just
like KITCHENS OF DISCTINCTION....
anybody have any more to add???
alan
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Non-British readers may as well give this one a miss...
>That Greening bloke is really shit. I've ended up just listening to CD's
>in the morning. I'll tune in again when Mark and Lard return. Although
>they're morning show is a watered down, mainstreamed version of the old
>nightime slot.
>
>I look forward to the day they go back to doing to late show. Playing the
>music they want to play, and getting rid of that old git Peel and his
>crappy techno rubblish for good.
>
>At least you folks in London have a half decent alternative with XFM. The
>thing is, they need to get as many listeners as posible, which means
>playing the most mainstream indie. I'd still prefer that to the spice
>girls, elton john etc.
>
>John S.
I've been really disappointed with the Radcliffe breakfast show
actually. The music's far too standard - he has been known to play the
Spice Girls and other crimes against humanity. The best bit about his
evening shows was always the five minute rants about various topics,
which were frequently hilarious, but that seems to have been labeled as
too risky for daytime. At least Kevin Greening is still funny in the
mornings (and occasionally wonderfully surreal). But then, anything is
an improvement on the Ginger Twat.
>
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