September 1997 - Sinister

Sinister: seconds of light
by Sven Fuchs 24 Sep '97

24 Sep '97

I was just yesterday in the official website, news&events and there they said that the new ep will be released 13/10/97 Sven ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: RE: sinister-digest V1 #20 (fwd)
by P.S.Mitchell 24 Sep '97

24 Sep '97

From: "Matthew A. Neimark" <mattn(a)neurometrix.com> > In other B&S news, the band was given a brief mention in the New Yorker > magazine within an article on Britpop (or Dadrock as they called it). The > article was mainly concerned with bands such as Radixhexd and Oxxxs (wasn't > sure if my message would get through if I mentioned these bands). Dadrock - mmmm, like it. Deadrock? Fauxrock? Never mind you have reminded me I should add some more filters on incoming mail :) While I'm on here's a message I wrote after hols but never sent - inspired by some of the stuff I read when I got back: I was very touched by messages from a few about the B&S music experience being so special. Particularly Nicola's "Free National Express Tea" story; and "superbob" about the "rightness" of B&S's music. This was my experience too - the moment I heard Sinister (yes, I'm also not a real fan) everything went gooey and I realised that this was what I had been waiting for - there's something so "right" about every turn and twist of the melody that I sometimes get suspicious it's been engineered with knowledge of my personal DNA make-up. In fact I could almost write an Ink Polaroid (I'm not allowed to enter so it's allowed to be crap...): "This one is of me lying in bed under my quilt with my headphones on: listening to "Sinister" for the first time. Linda just walked in the room and is giving me that funny smile when she's about to take the piss, but you can't see that because she's behind the camera. "Fox In The Snow" has just started up - I remember because I'd just been following the chord changes through the first verse into the chorus and couldn't believe how right it all was and how I felt a bit emotional. My feet are sticking out the end of the duvet because I got very hot - you often do with M.E. Splat is sitting next to me on the bed and staring at the camera too - she's got those funny staring uncomprehending eyes she sometimes gets when you look at her. She's hoping she can stay all night but knows she can't really get away with it - you can see her hairs all over the duvet. She looks tired because she spent half an hour chasing the light from a torch across the kitchen floor just before. There should be another one of me when I got to "Judy", but it got all blurred because Linda opened the camera before it unwound. It was just when I heard the school recorders playing and got all excited and started telling Linda about it, frantically, like I always do about music, but louder than I should because of the headphones." Paul mailto:owner-sinister@majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: RE: sinister-digest V1 #20
by Matthew A. Neimark 24 Sep '97

24 Sep '97

Hi Stuart M. was 28 when I interviewed him (in May). I know because he said "I'm 28 years old and have been writing songs for four years." Perhaps he's 29 now. In any case, he looks rather young. In other B&S news, the band was given a brief mention in the New Yorker magazine within an article on Britpop (or Dadrock as they called it). The article was mainly concerned with bands such as Radixhexd and Oxxxs (wasn't sure if my message would get through if I mentioned these bands). The mention was regarding how easily it is to be an unknown band in one week, and to have a hit the next since the elite DJs can rely on their own musical tastes rather than chart positions. Food for thought Matt -----Original Message----- From: owner-sinister-digest(a)neurometrix.com [SMTP:owner-sinister-digest@neurometrix.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 8:23 AM To: sinister-digest(a)majordomo.net Subject: sinister-digest V1 #20 sinister-digest Wednesday, September 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 020 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:03:19 +0200 From: oc245d8aff(a)colon.net Subject: Sinister: Barcelona gig review Hello everybody, Here's a very rough and ready review of our heroes in Barcelona: ARE BELLE AND SEBASTIAN NECESSARY ON A BICYCLE? The beautiful old square was packed to the rafters, except there weren't any rafters because it was an open air concert. People were precariously perched on the gargoyles instead. These gargoyles were apparently used in the Middle Ages to pour boiling oil on unruly Jethro Tull fans. In spite of being surrounded by other pop attractions, including Primal Scream, people seemed only too happy to stand around packed like sailors in a leaking submarine to see Belle and Sebastian strut their funky stuff. They leapt straight into "Tigermilk" at which point we buggered off for a drink. Pop salvation is one thing, dehydration is another. When we got back it was obvious they were getting a bit shirty due to malfunctioning monitors and the egg-bound sound of some of the rented instruments. The monitor man, bless him, was a distant cousin of Manuel from Fawlty Towers. Say no more. It all went by so fast I can't really remember the set list, most of which I didn't recognise anyway. They did "Dylan in the Movies", which has always been one of my least favourite songs because it reminds me of...well, Dylan in the movies, namely the terrible film....whoops, can't find my Dylanology books...I think it's called "Streets of Fire" or something equally ludicrous. But I digress. The song is much better live than on record, rollicking and celebratory. Next came a new song, "Wash Your Feet in the Sea", and then "Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying", one of my all time favourites because it's so joyously apparent that the singer ISN'T dying at all. Up until now I've had my reservations about Belle and Sebastian, but now I can put my hand on my heart and say that they are as good as Orange Juice, my own teenage obsession, the band I didn't want to share with anybody, the band that taught me it was okay to feel things. I like to think B&S are fulfilling that purpose for a growing number of lost sheep. The meek SHALL inherit the earth after all. Giving eskimo kisses to torturers' assistants, tickling the feet of international business men. In short, spreading love where love doesn't want to go. Isobel was dressed in a very fetching AC/DC school uniform, but sadly she didn't attempt the Angus Young Hoppity Skippity Funny Walk with her cello. The keyboard player (Chris?) was tinkling away merrily behind his Rick Wakeman bank of vintage keyboards. He was wearing a jumper supplied by the Lenny Godber Gentleman's Fashion Boutique in West Bromwich, now sadly demolished to make way for Spaghetti Junction. Stuart Murdoch looked very smart in his Sunday School trousers and sensible sandals. At one point the drummer was called upon to mark the re-release of the Led Zep back catologue with an impromptu drum solo. It sounded like The Mighty Thor parking his mini in a crowded Safeways car park. Then the rest of the band joined in, rocking out as if they were possessed of several devils, Stewpot grinning like a kid who's just been invited to provide handclaps for the Bay City Rollers' new single on "Jim'll Fix It". The cello was groaning like a hump-backed whale in the final stages of labour. It sounded like a cross between My Bloody Valentine and Miles Davis' band in the early seventies. Rented amps were turned up to eleven; someone had to take the back off the Wurlitzer piano and pour some water in it, otherwise we might have had the first pop-induced inferno since Brian Wilson abandoned "Smile". Oh, and Stuart laughed just after starting a very tender piano ballad. Whatever would Elton say? I can now clear up the mystery of the prolonged instrument changes. On some songs a laughable little xylophone is featured. It looks like no-one is willing to play it for more than one song (hardly surprising), so they have to keep changing round. A bit like when you're playing football with your mates and nobody wants to be goalie. Can't think of anything else to say. Thanks to all concerned for making a wonderful weekend possible. It really was like "Jim'll Fix It", and you can't say fairer than that now, can you? Peter back down to earth with a bump! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:13:58 +0100 From: J M Forsyth <jmf(a)psionworld.net> Subject: Re: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S >I think it's appalling that you folks from Jeepster don't complain about copies of Tigermilk going for 300 pounds, but threaten legal action against a CD made from a CASSETTE DUB. That riddiculous, especially considering you posted a few weeks ago to the indie-list saying that there was "little or no chance" of Tigermilk ever getting reissued. Quite agree - the arguments against bootlegging are almost entirely centred (rightly so) around protecting the earnings of the people who have done the work. This case is weakened somewhat when the bootlegged item in fact no longer provides any earnings and - if unreleased - is unlikely to ever again. It's even lamer when you consider the fact that those fanatics who are responsible for the bootlegging in this case would be more than happy to pay (over) the full price for a proper copy. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:56:54 +0100 From: Nigel Turner <nigelt(a)uk.uu.net> Subject: RE: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S Let's not forget that home taping is illegal too, boys and girls. The = argument here seems to be that it's ok for a few fans to swap tapes, but = not ok for Tigermilk to reach a larger audience via bootlegged cds. = This seems to me to be somewhat hypocritical, and also rather naive. I = don't know what the group's reasons for not wanting to re-release = Tigermilk are, but it's a simple question of supply and demand. As they = get more popular, greater will become the demand for the lp, and = inevitably bootlegs will appear - there's money to be made, after all. = That money should go to the band, I'm sure we're all agreed, but, denied = the opportunity to buy the record legitimately, I can't see too many = fans wrestling with their consciences if the opportunity to buy a = quality bootleg cd were offered to them. I'd personally have no problem = with this (I do own a reasonably well dubbed tape, by the way), = although, I might add, that I would also buy an official lp, were it to = be subsequently released. David Kitchen said that by stopping bootlegging, they [Jeepster?] are = trying to protect both us (the fans) and the band. I could agree with = this if the record was now or in the near future to be made officially = available, but since Belle & Sebastian "continuously express an interest = in NOT releasing Tigermilk again in the UK and only a mild interest in = the US option", then somebody please explain how our interests are being = protected. By not making Tigermilk available, the band are denying this = great music to their audience, and denying themselves the financial = rewards they so richly deserve. The presence or otherwise of bootlegs = makes no difference to this equation (unless we are not being told the = whole story). I guess it could even be argued that in this situation, = bootleg copies of the record might actually further the lp's reputation, = as this is the only means by which most people can hear it. Not that I = am condoning the production of bootlegs, you understand.....=20 Nigel xx - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - y that. The way the archive gets constructed was bashed together by me as if with sellotape in an excited rush so I'll revisit it. If anyone else notices this, could they mail me *privately* with a copy of the message that didn't make it. o Keith (Watson): what's all this about "book-lined graves?". Intrigued but clueless. o Has anyone seen mention of any of our sites/lists in the press? Would be interested to see if we ever get a mention. In fact a bit nervous - when The Guardian mentioned the best Teletubbies site it was closed down within 24 hours because of a ridiculous increase in the number of accesses... o Sexuality/gender - ambiguity in sexual orientation in lyrics can get a bit... hmm I suppose obvious to these ears, viz Morrisey in the latter days - seems to sometimes just become a game. I think the really nice thing about B&S is that it's *gender* too, e.g. "You know the world was meant for men, not us". One of my favourite lines. o Why doesn't the list administrator like the band fronted by Mark Knopfler someone asked? Hmm I'll leave the answer to that one to the FAQ... o clv: yes, they are. Oh, and I forgot to mention that running this mailing list is still a joy. So thanks to all of you for your continued support and enthusiam. Getting back from a wonderful holiday with only a bottle of extra strong Calvados from a farm and a broken Peugeot to show for it, the only thing that could save the sombre mood was reading through two weeks' worth of messages and once again tasting the weight of feeling for this wonderful music. That and the fact that they're repeating The Sweeney on Channel 5. "Get yuh clothes on love, you're nicked" as my girlfriend would say. Paul mailto:owner-sinister@majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:51:37 +0200 From: Ninette <s9720251(a)student.let.uva.nl> Subject: Sinister: Nigel Turner's thoughts I would just like to say I totally agree with Mr Turner's opinion on this issue. You have my support! I'll take this chance to say something else; if there's any of you on the list who'd like to become my B&S-penpal, that would be cool! E-mail me.... Oh yeah, are there any other Dutchies on this list? We could perhaps have a meeting in Amsterdam.... - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:32:53 +0200 From: oc245d8aff(a)colon.net Subject: Sinister: Bootlegs I don't trust bootleggers. The last time I bought one it was Neil Young and Booker T and the MGs. Not only was the sound quality terrible, but they didn't do "Green Onions" or that one from Test Match Special either. A proper rip off. It came from Italy. Someone mentioned demand and supply. By holding onto the Tigermilk tapes for a bit longer, the band will probably benefit from increased exposure and therefore increased demand. Business is business. Besides which, it's a good laugh. If the band were real scumbags, they could release it in a limited edition format at a ludicrously high price, like Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space in a special pill poppers packet. By the way, the other day a boy called Valeri wrote in asking about Tigermilk and it turns out that I was the only one who answered. (Perhaps he says that to all the girls!) My tape copy of TM sounds like shit, so if anyone would be kind enough to send him a copy he'd be very happy. He seems like a nice boy, even if he has got a girl's name. if you've tossed his letter down the cyber-toilet, you can find it at the endlessly gratifying archive.(Click below) 01 811 8055 - if you recognise that number, don't go to the classic children's TV site, accessible from one of the B&S tribute sites (I've been surfing for the first time since we got the first phone bill). It's like an irresistible vortex of nostalgia from which there is no escape. Would someone in London like to ring that number and see if anyone answers? No, thought not. Shut up. Peter - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:57:39 +0100 (BST) From: P.S.Mitchell <psm(a)Majordomo.net> Subject: Sinister: Domain membership of list Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is spreading across the world. Here it is: Number of people Domain 86 US Commercial 63 United Kingdom 35 US Educational 26 Network (could mean anywhere) 9 France 4 Sweden 4 Australia 3 US Organization 3 Greece 2 Netherlands 2 Spain 2 Germany 2 Brazil 1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) 1 Thailand 1 New Zealand 1 Norway 1 Japan 1 Iceland 1 Ireland 1 Canada This is for both the list and the digest. Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these countries, and how did people hear about them? Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. Paul mailto:owner-sinister@majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:34:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Ward <bwret(a)best.com> Subject: Sinister: Tip-toeing on treaded ground... So I got a dub of Tigermilk yesterday (Thanks Pam! Now I need to find a suitable gift in return..) and it's really wonderful. I really like the pop-iness of it all, and it's range of styles is a bit tyongue-in-cheek, methinks. The most incredible thing about it, though, is how much the band has matured in just a year or so. Sinister is so much fuller in terms of songwriting...but I digress. It's so cool to see all these overt influences on the first album...holy Velvets! It also seems that the band took several songs from Tigermilk and reworked them into new tracks for Sinister. I heard at least 3 or 4 riffs which they have used again. Thoughts? Your ramblingly, Alex - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:47:27 +0200 From: oc245d8aff(a)colon.net Subject: Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list P.S.Mitchell wrote: > > Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how > membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is > spreading across the world. Here it is: > > Number of people Domain > 86 US Commercial > 63 United Kingdom > 35 US Educational > 26 Network (could mean anywhere) > 9 France > 4 Sweden > 4 Australia > 3 US Organization > 3 Greece > 2 Netherlands > 2 Spain > 2 Germany > 2 Brazil > 1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) > 1 Thailand > 1 New Zealand > 1 Norway > 1 Japan > 1 Iceland > 1 Ireland > 1 Canada > > This is for both the list and the digest. > > Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all > these > countries, and how did people hear about them? > > Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. > > Paul > mailto:owner-sinister@majordomo.net > > Who's the other person in Spain? As of last week "Sinister" (the album, not the list) is in at least two extremely crappy record shops in San Sebastian. I even sneakily snuck it into one of those display rack thingies. The cover stands out quite nicely. Peter - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:18:50 +0200 From: klas ericsson <klas.ericsson(a)student.jmg.gu.se> Subject: Sinister: Tip-toeing on treaded ground... Alex wrote: >The most incredible thing about it, though, is how much the band has >matured in just a year or so. Sinister is so much fuller in terms of >songwriting...but I digress. It's so cool to see all >these overt influences on the first album...holy Velvets! - - Funnily enough I got my copy today too - and of course i love it and all that, but I must (after just listening to TM a few times) that I think that they, just as Alex points out, really have matured. Even though I don=B4t know how they=B4ll get much better than on "Expectations" where everything seems to fit perfectly. The maturing is even better illustrated by the sessions I got on my dub. The first one=B4s is shaky and untight (but still great of course:-)) and th= e last from this month is just as I remembered them from the New York-gig. >It also seems that the band took several songs from Tigermilk and reworked >them into new tracks for Sinister. I heard at least 3 or 4 riffs which they >have used again. Thoughts? - - Never thought of that. What riffs?! /Klas - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:30:23 +0200 From: "Jean-Philippe Madelaine" <madelain-jp(a)infonie.fr> Subject: Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list Nice to see there are 9 members of list living in France. To answer your question, it's not very easy to get B&S records : i purchased the both eps Dog... and Lazy almost three weeks ago and i'm still waiting. I heared about B&S in FNAC, a big store with books and records and ... wellknown in France. They made a selection of new talents and B&S was in. JP ---- De : P.S.Mitchell <psm(a)Majordomo.net> A : sinister(a)majordomo.net Date : mardi 23 septembre 1997 19:13 Objet : Sinister: Domain membership of list >Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how >membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is >spreading across the world. Here it is: > >Number of people Domain >86 US Commercial >63 United Kingdom >35 US Educational >26 Network (could mean anywhere) >9 France >4 Sweden >4 Australia >3 US Organization >3 Greece >2 Netherlands >2 Spain >2 Germany >2 Brazil >1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) >1 Thailand >1 New Zealand >1 Norway >1 Japan >1 Iceland >1 Ireland >1 Canada > >This is for both the list and the digest. > >Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these >countries, and how did people hear about them? > >Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. > >Paul >mailto:owner-sinister@majordomo.net > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >.. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list... To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net"... For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see.. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister.. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net---------------------------------- - ------------------------------------- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:58:11 -0700 From: superbob <parachute(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Sinister: seconds of light could someone tell me please when the new release date of the new single e.p. or whatever it's called is. i know it got changed but i forgot. thanks. - -brad - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:43:45 -0400 (EDT) From: ByTheSea6(a)aol.com Subject: Re: Sinister: Bootlegs In a message dated 97-09-23 12:39:35 EDT, oc245d8aff(a)colon.net writes: > If the band were real scumbags, they could release it >in a limited edition format at a ludicrously high price, like Ladies and >Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space in a special pill poppers packet. I wouldn't call Spiritualized "scumbags" because they indulge in costly packaging. I mean, that's their bag, and it's not like you can't get the album for normal price if you are not a obsessive collector. I think the packaging ideas Jason comes up with are unique and interesting. in morning for tigger lost his head, nate - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:43:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Yummycats(a)aol.com Subject: Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list In a message dated 97-09-23 14:32:10 EDT << >Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these >countries, and how did people hear about them? >> Rolling Stone on America OnLine had a standout review of Sinister, providing a few sound samples. A few weeks later, after searching in recordstore after recordstore, I finally found a copy. But it's terribly unfair that the new e.p.'s haven't been released here in the U.S. They're not even in the import shops. It's very frustrating to not be able to find your favorite music. I thought about ordering them directly from Jeepster, but I'm not even sure that's possible. I can't even find their address (not printed on the us edition of Sinister). (sigh). yummycats - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:46:49 +0100 From: J Jackson <johnj(a)seahouses.u-net.com> Subject: Sinister: Dubs of Tigermilk Why is everyone going on about Dub versions of Tigermilk? Is this some kind of remix, perhaps heralding the band's new direction? can we expect a remix of 'The State I Am In' by Smiley Culture or something. Have I missed the point. JJ Dipsy hat! Dipsy hat! Fancy that! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:59:46 +0100 From: J Jackson <johnj(a)seahouses.u-net.com> Subject: Sinister: Spiritualized Ladies And Gentlemen we are floating in Space is one of the finest albums of this year.. and is 12.99 overly expensive?? I paid 12.99 for my If You're Feeling Sinister CD. stop moaning JJ x Dipsy hat! Dipsy hat! Fancy that! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:19:36 -0400 From: tanya <Tanya101(a)n2k.com> Subject: Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list Spin on AOL has a review of Sinister as well (plug plug) and you can write to- P.O. Box 14153 London, SW11 4XU or visit the website which has all the info- http://www.totalweb.co.uk/belleandsebastian Yummycats(a)aol.com wrote: > Rolling Stone on America OnLine had a standout review of Sinister, providing > a few sound samples. A few weeks later, after searching in recordstore after > recordstore, I finally found a copy. But it's terribly unfair that the new > e.p.'s haven't been released here in the U.S. They're not even in the import > shops. It's very frustrating to not be able to find your favorite music. I > thought about ordering them directly from Jeepster, but I'm not even sure > that's possible. I can't even find their address (not printed on the us > edition of Sinister). (sigh). > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:55:19 -0700 From: superbob <parachute(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list i found my copy of "lazy line painter jane" at wax n' facts in atlanta. it was over in the cdsingle box thing they have. as for dog on wheels, i got it through secret sounds. http://www.secretsounds.com they shipped it pretty fast. it's probably where i'll order seconds of light also. so if you're in the states and having trouble finding the singles, go to secretsounds site. - -brad > > A few weeks later, after searching in recordstore after > > recordstore, I finally found a copy. But it's terribly unfair that the new > > e.p.'s haven't been released here in the U.S. They're not even in the import > > shops. It's very frustrating to not be able to find your favorite music. I > > thought about ordering them directly from Jeepster, but I'm not even sure > > that's possible. I can't even find their address (not printed on the us > > edition of Sinister). (sigh). > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:55:53 +0200 From: oc245d8aff(a)colon.net Subject: Re: Sinister: Bootlegs ByTheSea6(a)aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 97-09-23 12:39:35 EDT, oc245d8aff(a)colon.net writes: > > > If the band were real scumbags, they could release it > >in a limited edition format at a ludicrously high price, like Ladies > and > >Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space in a special pill poppers packet. > > I wouldn't call Spiritualized "scumbags" because they indulge in > costly > packaging. I mean, that's their bag, and it's not like you can't get > the > album for normal price if you are not a obsessive collector. I think > the > packaging ideas Jason comes up with are unique and interesting. > > in morning for tigger lost his head, > > nate > I didn't mean to call them scumbags. I don't know why I said that. I admit that it's a very intriguing package, I just think the music should come before collectability, I suppose. As you say, it's their bag (nice use of Austin Powers terminology! :-)) Maybe my singling out of Spiritualized comes from the fact that I can't get their bloody album at all in Spain. Quite frustrating because I really liked the last one. So apologies to Jasonheads everywhere :-! Peter - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:42:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Skreddy56(a)aol.com Subject: Re: Sinister: Spiritualized << and is 12.99 overly expensive?? I paid 12.99 for my If You're Feeling Sinister CD. >> I do believe they were referring to the 12 cd box of the album which went for the equivalent of $120. As for the Tigermilk bootlegging problem, all that Jeepster needs to do is put on a demo or a live song or something and everyone will go buy it again even if they already had a good CD copy. That's my 2 cents. By the way, when does the Ink Poloroid contest end? Today I learned that international money orders cost upwards of $7.50, so I'm going to try my hand at winning a shirt before I plunk down over 25 dollars on one (that's about L17 or 125FF, for those of you not familiar with American currency). - --Matt ps- Ben-- got your tape the other day and yours is winging it's way to you now. Thanks. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:39:25 +0200 From: oc245d8aff(a)colon.net Subject: Sinister: Spiritualized Before a cyber-brawl breaks out, please let me explain myself... I did not, nor would I ever, call Jason Scumbag a Spaceman. I like his band, I liked his old band, I do a really good impersonation of Sonic Boom. On the odd occasions that I pass through Rugby on the train I always look for their old house on Railway Terrace. i don't know why I picked on their inventive packaging to criticise. It might as well have been the special gold edition of "The Piano" soundtrack. I only wanted to make a typically dubious point about demand and supply. I don't usually abuse people, I think this little misunderstanding was the result of flying fingers annd brain on the blink. Can I get off the naughty chair now? Having said all that, I do favour traditional CD packaging, anything else just messes up your CD shelf and gets all scuffed and knackered anyway. The most ludicrous example I own, both musically and otherwise, is the super gatefold edition of "Space Ritual" by Hawkwind, complete with rubbish sci-fi stories and pictures of rude dancers. Should I get back on the naughty chair for admitting that? Peter - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:19:33 +0100 From: "Andrew O'Sullivan" <aeos(a)dial.pipex.com> Subject: Sinister: Compo This one is of a group of us in a little tavern behind New College. We don't look really *happy*, but that's just because we've only just met, at a record fair half an hour earlier, and we're all a little confused. Little Soozy is pointing at someone and looking very impressed but a little scared. She won't tell us who he is, but she probably fancies him anyway. The wasp under the glass on the table is not dead; the barman in the background with the blue hair and tie is the one who will soon enough lift up the glass and give the insect its freedom again. He nearly got stung while lifting up the glass, and walked off muttering something. The kitchen window in the top left is where the nice smells, which make us a little more relaxed, are coming from. The sign next to the window has writing too small to be made out here, but the general message was that the pub has never hosted funeral receptions of major rock 'n' roll legends. I don't think we were meant to understand - it's probably an in-joke. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:44:49 +0200 From: "Alan" <alaning(a)hol.fr> Subject: Re: Sinister: Barcelona gig review erm, i think the actual reference might possibly be about the film "don't look back" filmed by DA pennebaker, a B. Dylan tour film... sorry for being pedantic, but i thought it was quite obvious... love, alan > It all went by so fast I can't really remember the set list, most of > which I didn't recognise anyway. They did "Dylan in the Movies", which > has always been one of my least favourite songs because it reminds me > of...well, Dylan in the movies, namely the terrible film....whoops, > can't find my Dylanology books...I think it's called "Streets of Fire" > or something equally ludicrous. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:33:22 +0000 From: ".j 0n" <geoff.burgerman4(a)virgin.net> Subject: Sinister: songs for today. (chords) hello nice people of the b+s list, 1) 'this is just a modern rock song' D A this is just a modern rock song this id just a sorry lament G D we're four boys in our corduroys were not perfect but were D-> competent.. D/A/G/D this progession runs through-out the whole song.. 2) 'we rule the school ' C G F C on a beech tree rudely carved, NC was here F C G Why did she do it was she scared, was she bored? - ------------------------------------------------ lovely lovely song..*sigh* so um....anyone else got any ideas... ?? bye bye jon (of glasto poem..blah blah..) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Clint Barnes <clbarnes(a)cisco.com> Subject: Sinister: Best Freudian Slip Ever? (was: Spiritualized) "Before a cyber-brawl breaks out, please let me explain myself... I did not, nor would I ever, call Jason Scumbag a Spaceman. I like his band..." I do this all the time during meetings. Once, I meant to tell my boss that she had a good idea, but for some reason I blurted out that she had great legs. B&S tie in... let me think... oh yeah, another time I was explaining how wonderful the band is to a coworker, and I told her my favorite song was 'Dog in Heels'. I almost corrected myself immediately but then I looked down and, yep, this lady was wearing high heels. Argh! - -Clint ____________________________ clint barnes Electronic Publishing clbarnes(a)cisco.com (408) 526-8379 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:39:53 -0400 (EDT) From: MWaggner(a)aol.com Subject: Sinister: Re: Bootlegs I have to agree with what seems to be shaping up as the majority opinion on the "bootleg" issue. I have just heard a tape of Tigermilk and it is lovely - -- I like the acoustic feel of some of the songs, and the simplicity I guess I'd call it, compared to ... Sinister. However, dub quality is usually less than wonderful, and it would be great to have a cleaner copy. I read the first mailing about putting Tigermilk on CD not as a bootlegging venture, but as a way to exchange copies (as is being done on tape) in a cleaner, more listener-friendly format. In any event, if the band does not intend to re-release the album then they would not be losing any money at all if people are exchanging (or even selling) CD copies. I would hazard a guess that most people who might purchase a "bootleg" copy would indeed buy any eventual re-release as well. Especially if it had an added track, as is suggested elsewhere. Look at all the people who buy both the vinyl and CD of releases by bands they like -- do bands release on vinyl expecting that it is going to other than a collectors item for most people? It's a marketing decision because people will buy the vinyl AND the CD. I would never buy a bootleg version of a regularly released album -- but there are bootlegs I will buy if that is the only way to get the material. I would much prefer that the artist get the money him/her self, but if the artist has made the choice to pass on making that money... I don't feel wonderful about it, but my curiousity usually gets the best of me. Let's all just beg B&S to re-release Tigermilk and end this whole debate. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:35:21 +0100 From: David & Katrina <d.kitchen(a)virgin.net> Subject: Re: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S The problem with the bootleg argument seems solely set on one point, "Are Belle and Sebastian intending to re-release Tigermilk?". Sadly the only people that honestly know the answer are the band and they're not letting on. I think that this has more to do with the fact that they may not want old material to clash with new material. Especially as their new material is so good. It's hypocritical, but even though I desperately want Tigermilk re-issued, I don't want to slow down the recording or release schedule of new material. This would inevitably happen if Tigermilk were released again. And surely even in the states where Tigermilk was never released you'd still like to see the first major release on a new label to be new material, even in the form of the singles album plus additional tracks like 'modern rock song'. Ah, it's an impossible debate, we are all protective of them and we all want Tigermilk re-issued, and there'll never be such thing as a quiet re-issue of it. What are we to do, eh? David (my opinions do NOT reflect or come from Jeepster, please don't mingle them, the Jeepster opinion is from Mark Jones and my girlfriend's - and we bicker enough already!) - -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen@virgin.net ******************************************************************** - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:06:07 -0400 (EDT) From: jj heldmann <initgrl(a)grfn.org> Subject: Re: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, David & Katrina wrote: > want Tigermilk re-issued, I don't want to slow down the recording or > release schedule of new material. This would inevitably happen if > Tigermilk were released again. maybe i'm just slow, but why would re-releasing Tigermilk slow down the recording schedule (or release) of new material? They've already said the new lp won't come out til next year, the new single is ready for release, so how would oh, say re-releasing Tigermilk next month or two months from now or whenever, slow down the process? > And surely even in the states where Tigermilk was never released you'd > still like to see the first major release on a new label to be new > material, even in the form of the singles album plus additional tracks > like 'modern rock song'. actually I for one would rather see Tigermilk be the first major release. Singles comps with an extra track or two are a pain if you've impatiently already shelled out for the import singles - you just have to buy it all over again (which of course, I will certainly be doing - hell, i've got Tigermilk on vinyl but if it comes out on cd i'll be first in line to get it just so i don't wear out the vinyl!) but what do i know? xo jj - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:31:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Alvin de Leon <cc297(a)freenet.toronto.on.ca> Subject: Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list Wow...I'm the only lister from Canada =) - -Allan On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, P.S.Mitchell wrote: > Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how > membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is > spreading across the world. Here it is: > > Number of people Domain > 86 US Commercial > 63 United Kingdom > 35 US Educational > 26 Network (could mean anywhere) > 9 France > 4 Sweden > 4 Australia > 3 US Organization > 3 Greece > 2 Netherlands > 2 Spain > 2 Germany > 2 Brazil > 1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) > 1 Thailand > 1 New Zealand > 1 Norway > 1 Japan > 1 Iceland > 1 Ireland > 1 Canada > > This is for both the list and the digest. > > Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these > countries, and how did people hear about them? > > Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. > > Paul > mailto:owner-sinister@majordomo.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. > . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". > . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see > . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister > . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > take care, - - aL - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:03:51 +0100 From: Eric Fauquembergue - Softools <efauquembergue(a)softools.fr> Subject: Sinister: B&S : France I'm another listee from France. I've heard of B&S when they opened for Tindersticks in a concert at the = ICA in London. I was not there, but as I am a big fa of Tindersticks, I = decided to purchase B&S If you're feeling sinister album. I was in = England at that time, so I had no problem in finding it at HMV. B&S EPs are available as import in France. Sinister LP has been = officially released recently. They are promoted by a national radio = (France Inter) and the major record store company (FNAC). BTW, they are supposed to perform a live session for this radio in early = 98, before the release of the next album. Eric - -- Eric Fauquembergue - -- Softools - -- efauquembergue(a)softools.fr - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:47:53 +0100 From: Keith Watson <keith(a)qss.co.uk> Subject: RE: Sinister: Dubs of Tigermilk Why is everyone going on about Dub versions of Tigermilk? Is this some kind of remix, perhaps heralding the band's new direction? [Keith Watson] =20 Yes - there's an On-U sound "yabba yabba" mix coming out in place of the = real album, it comes free with some "stuff" in a sealed envelope. Presuming Dub is an American term for copy, just out of interest, to = the Americans out there, what's your term for the sort of music that Lee = Perry makes? Keith. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:48:46 +0100 From: Charlotte.Hall(a)smlawpub.co.uk (Charlotte Hall) Subject: Sinister: State I'm in and cover versions I agree that the version of The State I'm In on the Dog on Wheels EP is, er, somewhat lacklustre. And I would love to hear B&S cover Josef K's Sorry for Laughing (from The Only Fun in Town) and Consolation Prize by Orange Juice. On a deeply trivial but nonetheless B&S-related side issue: someone said that Stuart Murdoch is 24. Was he a boy genius (which is eminently possible), as I've been told he was at Glasgow University in 1989? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . 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Cheers, Keith. ps: Nathan- tried to mail you this morning, have Edinburgh Uni gone and = cancelled your account, as the mail bounced, anyway, mail me at = keith(a)qss.co.uk (Nathan and I met in the pub last night - a sort of "virtual cyber = friends meeting", if anyone else from the list in the Glasgow/Edinburgh = area fancies a night out, post on the list and we'll have a meeting, = perhaps we could go to the Grosvenor Cafe in Ashton lane - and be just = like the sad old kids that go on the Smiths tour of Manchester, signing = their names on the Salford Lads club... Alternatively, we could go to the pub. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . 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Sinister: Upcoming Shows?
by TED_MCCAGG＠yr.com 24 Sep '97

24 Sep '97

Does anyone know when and where B&S will be playing in October/November? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: State I'm in and cover versions
by Keith Watson 24 Sep '97

24 Sep '97

On a deeply trivial but nonetheless B&S-related side issue: someone said that Stuart Murdoch is 24. Was he a boy genius (which is eminently possible), as I've been told he was at Glasgow University in 1989? [Keith Watson] As far as I'm aware, he's a lot older than that - it says on the back of Tigermilk that he's a lot older than he looks, Chris has also stated in interviews that he's a lot older than the rest of them. Cheers, Keith. ps: Nathan- tried to mail you this morning, have Edinburgh Uni gone and cancelled your account, as the mail bounced, anyway, mail me at keith(a)qss.co.uk (Nathan and I met in the pub last night - a sort of "virtual cyber friends meeting", if anyone else from the list in the Glasgow/Edinburgh area fancies a night out, post on the list and we'll have a meeting, perhaps we could go to the Grosvenor Cafe in Ashton lane - and be just like the sad old kids that go on the Smiths tour of Manchester, signing their names on the Salford Lads club... Alternatively, we could go to the pub. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: State I'm in and cover versions
by Charlotte.Hall＠smlawpub.co.uk 24 Sep '97

24 Sep '97

I agree that the version of The State I'm In on the Dog on Wheels EP is, er, somewhat lacklustre. And I would love to hear B&S cover Josef K's Sorry for Laughing (from The Only Fun in Town) and Consolation Prize by Orange Juice. On a deeply trivial but nonetheless B&S-related side issue: someone said that Stuart Murdoch is 24. Was he a boy genius (which is eminently possible), as I've been told he was at Glasgow University in 1989? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Barcelona gig review
by oc245d8aff＠colon.net 24 Sep '97

24 Sep '97

Hello everybody, Here's a very rough and ready review of our heroes in Barcelona: ARE BELLE AND SEBASTIAN NECESSARY ON A BICYCLE? The beautiful old square was packed to the rafters, except there weren't any rafters because it was an open air concert. People were precariously perched on the gargoyles instead. These gargoyles were apparently used in the Middle Ages to pour boiling oil on unruly Jethro Tull fans. In spite of being surrounded by other pop attractions, including Primal Scream, people seemed only too happy to stand around packed like sailors in a leaking submarine to see Belle and Sebastian strut their funky stuff. They leapt straight into "Tigermilk" at which point we buggered off for a drink. Pop salvation is one thing, dehydration is another. When we got back it was obvious they were getting a bit shirty due to malfunctioning monitors and the egg-bound sound of some of the rented instruments. The monitor man, bless him, was a distant cousin of Manuel from Fawlty Towers. Say no more. It all went by so fast I can't really remember the set list, most of which I didn't recognise anyway. They did "Dylan in the Movies", which has always been one of my least favourite songs because it reminds me of...well, Dylan in the movies, namely the terrible film....whoops, can't find my Dylanology books...I think it's called "Streets of Fire" or something equally ludicrous. But I digress. The song is much better live than on record, rollicking and celebratory. Next came a new song, "Wash Your Feet in the Sea", and then "Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying", one of my all time favourites because it's so joyously apparent that the singer ISN'T dying at all. Up until now I've had my reservations about Belle and Sebastian, but now I can put my hand on my heart and say that they are as good as Orange Juice, my own teenage obsession, the band I didn't want to share with anybody, the band that taught me it was okay to feel things. I like to think B&S are fulfilling that purpose for a growing number of lost sheep. The meek SHALL inherit the earth after all. Giving eskimo kisses to torturers' assistants, tickling the feet of international business men. In short, spreading love where love doesn't want to go. Isobel was dressed in a very fetching AC/DC school uniform, but sadly she didn't attempt the Angus Young Hoppity Skippity Funny Walk with her cello. The keyboard player (Chris?) was tinkling away merrily behind his Rick Wakeman bank of vintage keyboards. He was wearing a jumper supplied by the Lenny Godber Gentleman's Fashion Boutique in West Bromwich, now sadly demolished to make way for Spaghetti Junction. Stuart Murdoch looked very smart in his Sunday School trousers and sensible sandals. At one point the drummer was called upon to mark the re-release of the Led Zep back catologue with an impromptu drum solo. It sounded like The Mighty Thor parking his mini in a crowded Safeways car park. Then the rest of the band joined in, rocking out as if they were possessed of several devils, Stewpot grinning like a kid who's just been invited to provide handclaps for the Bay City Rollers' new single on "Jim'll Fix It". The cello was groaning like a hump-backed whale in the final stages of labour. It sounded like a cross between My Bloody Valentine and Miles Davis' band in the early seventies. Rented amps were turned up to eleven; someone had to take the back off the Wurlitzer piano and pour some water in it, otherwise we might have had the first pop-induced inferno since Brian Wilson abandoned "Smile". Oh, and Stuart laughed just after starting a very tender piano ballad. Whatever would Elton say? I can now clear up the mystery of the prolonged instrument changes. On some songs a laughable little xylophone is featured. It looks like no-one is willing to play it for more than one song (hardly surprising), so they have to keep changing round. A bit like when you're playing football with your mates and nobody wants to be goalie. Can't think of anything else to say. Thanks to all concerned for making a wonderful weekend possible. It really was like "Jim'll Fix It", and you can't say fairer than that now, can you? Peter back down to earth with a bump! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: Dubs of Tigermilk
by Keith Watson 24 Sep '97

24 Sep '97

Why is everyone going on about Dub versions of Tigermilk? Is this some kind of remix, perhaps heralding the band's new direction? [Keith Watson] Yes - there's an On-U sound "yabba yabba" mix coming out in place of the real album, it comes free with some "stuff" in a sealed envelope. Presuming Dub is an American term for copy, just out of interest, to the Americans out there, what's your term for the sort of music that Lee Perry makes? Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: B&S : France
by Eric Fauquembergue - Softools 24 Sep '97

24 Sep '97

I'm another listee from France. I've heard of B&S when they opened for Tindersticks in a concert at the ICA in London. I was not there, but as I am a big fa of Tindersticks, I decided to purchase B&S If you're feeling sinister album. I was in England at that time, so I had no problem in finding it at HMV. B&S EPs are available as import in France. Sinister LP has been officially released recently. They are promoted by a national radio (France Inter) and the major record store company (FNAC). BTW, they are supposed to perform a live session for this radio in early 98, before the release of the next album. Eric -- Eric Fauquembergue -- Softools -- efauquembergue(a)softools.fr ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Domain membership of list
by P.S.Mitchell 24 Sep '97

24 Sep '97

Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is spreading across the world. Here it is: Number of people Domain 86 US Commercial 63 United Kingdom 35 US Educational 26 Network (could mean anywhere) 9 France 4 Sweden 4 Australia 3 US Organization 3 Greece 2 Netherlands 2 Spain 2 Germany 2 Brazil 1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) 1 Thailand 1 New Zealand 1 Norway 1 Japan 1 Iceland 1 Ireland 1 Canada This is for both the list and the digest. Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these countries, and how did people hear about them? Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. Paul mailto:owner-sinister@majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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