September 1997 - Sinister

Re: Sinister: Bootlegs
by ByTheSea6＠aol.com 23 Sep '97

23 Sep '97

In a message dated 97-09-23 12:39:35 EDT, oc245d8aff(a)colon.net writes: > If the band were real scumbags, they could release it >in a limited edition format at a ludicrously high price, like Ladies and >Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space in a special pill poppers packet. I wouldn't call Spiritualized "scumbags" because they indulge in costly packaging. I mean, that's their bag, and it's not like you can't get the album for normal price if you are not a obsessive collector. I think the packaging ideas Jason comes up with are unique and interesting. in morning for tigger lost his head, nate ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Spiritualized
by J Jackson 23 Sep '97

23 Sep '97

Ladies And Gentlemen we are floating in Space is one of the finest albums of this year.. and is 12.99 overly expensive?? I paid 12.99 for my If You're Feeling Sinister CD. stop moaning JJ x Dipsy hat! Dipsy hat! Fancy that! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Dubs of Tigermilk
by J Jackson 23 Sep '97

23 Sep '97

Why is everyone going on about Dub versions of Tigermilk? Is this some kind of remix, perhaps heralding the band's new direction? can we expect a remix of 'The State I Am In' by Smiley Culture or something. Have I missed the point. JJ Dipsy hat! Dipsy hat! Fancy that! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Domain membership of list
by Jean-Philippe Madelaine 23 Sep '97

23 Sep '97

Nice to see there are 9 members of list living in France. To answer your question, it's not very easy to get B&S records : i purchased the both eps Dog... and Lazy almost three weeks ago and i'm still waiting. I heared about B&S in FNAC, a big store with books and records and ... wellknown in France. They made a selection of new talents and B&S was in. JP ---- De : P.S.Mitchell <psm(a)Majordomo.net> A : sinister(a)majordomo.net Date : mardi 23 septembre 1997 19:13 Objet : Sinister: Domain membership of list >Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how >membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is >spreading across the world. Here it is: > >Number of people Domain >86 US Commercial >63 United Kingdom >35 US Educational >26 Network (could mean anywhere) >9 France >4 Sweden >4 Australia >3 US Organization >3 Greece >2 Netherlands >2 Spain >2 Germany >2 Brazil >1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US) >1 Thailand >1 New Zealand >1 Norway >1 Japan >1 Iceland >1 Ireland >1 Canada > >This is for both the list and the digest. > >Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these >countries, and how did people hear about them? > >Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested. > >Paul >mailto:owner-sinister@majordomo.net > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >.. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list... To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net"... For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see.. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister.. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net---------------------------------- ------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Tip-toeing on treaded ground...
by Alex Ward 23 Sep '97

23 Sep '97

So I got a dub of Tigermilk yesterday (Thanks Pam! Now I need to find a suitable gift in return..) and it's really wonderful. I really like the pop-iness of it all, and it's range of styles is a bit tyongue-in-cheek, methinks. The most incredible thing about it, though, is how much the band has matured in just a year or so. Sinister is so much fuller in terms of songwriting...but I digress. It's so cool to see all these overt influences on the first album...holy Velvets! It also seems that the band took several songs from Tigermilk and reworked them into new tracks for Sinister. I heard at least 3 or 4 riffs which they have used again. Thoughts? Your ramblingly, Alex ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Bootlegs
by oc245d8aff＠colon.net 23 Sep '97

23 Sep '97

I don't trust bootleggers. The last time I bought one it was Neil Young and Booker T and the MGs. Not only was the sound quality terrible, but they didn't do "Green Onions" or that one from Test Match Special either. A proper rip off. It came from Italy. Someone mentioned demand and supply. By holding onto the Tigermilk tapes for a bit longer, the band will probably benefit from increased exposure and therefore increased demand. Business is business. Besides which, it's a good laugh. If the band were real scumbags, they could release it in a limited edition format at a ludicrously high price, like Ladies and Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space in a special pill poppers packet. By the way, the other day a boy called Valeri wrote in asking about Tigermilk and it turns out that I was the only one who answered. (Perhaps he says that to all the girls!) My tape copy of TM sounds like shit, so if anyone would be kind enough to send him a copy he'd be very happy. He seems like a nice boy, even if he has got a girl's name. if you've tossed his letter down the cyber-toilet, you can find it at the endlessly gratifying archive.(Click below) 01 811 8055 - if you recognise that number, don't go to the classic children's TV site, accessible from one of the B&S tribute sites (I've been surfing for the first time since we got the first phone bill). It's like an irresistible vortex of nostalgia from which there is no escape. Would someone in London like to ring that number and see if anyone answers? No, thought not. Shut up. Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Nigel Turner's thoughts
by Ninette 23 Sep '97

23 Sep '97

I would just like to say I totally agree with Mr Turner's opinion on this issue. You have my support! I'll take this chance to say something else; if there's any of you on the list who'd like to become my B&S-penpal, that would be cool! E-mail me.... Oh yeah, are there any other Dutchies on this list? We could perhaps have a meeting in Amsterdam.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Paul's back
by P.S.Mitchell 23 Sep '97

23 Sep '97

OK, I'm back from France. Those of you who don't know why I'm telling you this, I am the "Mr Mitchell" who runs this list ("Paul" to anyone who can swear in three languages) and I've been on hols. And there are plenty of you newcomers, so welcome one and all. Anyway I'm back and slightly surprised that the list has kept going, archiving, digesting and generally chewing in my absence. Maybe I'm dispensable. In fact I nearly logged in from a cyber-cafe near Quimper to check things were OK, but decided I couldn't risk the high sad-old-git factor. Talking of S.O.G.'s, I'm glad David Kitchen stepped in and made his comments about the John Peel thread. Fully support his comments and those of others in favour of a bit more niceness. Please see my WWW page if you haven't and the tiny minority stop being rude to each other: I will have to step in if anyone gets nasty. I reckon we owe our friends the other side of the water about 15 B&S-irrelevant messages to catch up, especially after their valiant contributions about the US appearances. I've been a teensy bit stung by the strong and varying opinions on the relevant/tangential nature of postings to this list, so I will be as a tiny mouse with a sore throat until lots of people tell me they don't like what's being posted. As I said before, I don't intend to do any censoring (and haven't), just go with the majority view. Right now the list is a damn good read (for me anyway). So if anyone's got any problems with the list, or just wants to tell me how good/crap it is, just mail me privately. Some other random comments from what's been going on (couple more follow-ups to come): o Andrew (Dean): messages that went to the list but never made the archive: hmm, I was kind of waiting for someone to say that. The way the archive gets constructed was bashed together by me as if with sellotape in an excited rush so I'll revisit it. If anyone else notices this, could they mail me *privately* with a copy of the message that didn't make it. o Keith (Watson): what's all this about "book-lined graves?". Intrigued but clueless. o Has anyone seen mention of any of our sites/lists in the press? Would be interested to see if we ever get a mention. In fact a bit nervous - when The Guardian mentioned the best Teletubbies site it was closed down within 24 hours because of a ridiculous increase in the number of accesses... o Sexuality/gender - ambiguity in sexual orientation in lyrics can get a bit... hmm I suppose obvious to these ears, viz Morrisey in the latter days - seems to sometimes just become a game. I think the really nice thing about B&S is that it's *gender* too, e.g. "You know the world was meant for men, not us". One of my favourite lines. o Why doesn't the list administrator like the band fronted by Mark Knopfler someone asked? Hmm I'll leave the answer to that one to the FAQ... o clv: yes, they are. Oh, and I forgot to mention that running this mailing list is still a joy. So thanks to all of you for your continued support and enthusiam. Getting back from a wonderful holiday with only a bottle of extra strong Calvados from a farm and a broken Peugeot to show for it, the only thing that could save the sombre mood was reading through two weeks' worth of messages and once again tasting the weight of feeling for this wonderful music. That and the fact that they're repeating The Sweeney on Channel 5. "Get yuh clothes on love, you're nicked" as my girlfriend would say. Paul mailto:owner-sinister@majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S
by Nigel Turner 23 Sep '97

23 Sep '97

Let's not forget that home taping is illegal too, boys and girls. The argument here seems to be that it's ok for a few fans to swap tapes, but not ok for Tigermilk to reach a larger audience via bootlegged cds. This seems to me to be somewhat hypocritical, and also rather naive. I don't know what the group's reasons for not wanting to re-release Tigermilk are, but it's a simple question of supply and demand. As they get more popular, greater will become the demand for the lp, and inevitably bootlegs will appear - there's money to be made, after all. That money should go to the band, I'm sure we're all agreed, but, denied the opportunity to buy the record legitimately, I can't see too many fans wrestling with their consciences if the opportunity to buy a quality bootleg cd were offered to them. I'd personally have no problem with this (I do own a reasonably well dubbed tape, by the way), although, I might add, that I would also buy an official lp, were it to be subsequently released. David Kitchen said that by stopping bootlegging, they [Jeepster?] are trying to protect both us (the fans) and the band. I could agree with this if the record was now or in the near future to be made officially available, but since Belle & Sebastian "continuously express an interest in NOT releasing Tigermilk again in the UK and only a mild interest in the US option", then somebody please explain how our interests are being protected. By not making Tigermilk available, the band are denying this great music to their audience, and denying themselves the financial rewards they so richly deserve. The presence or otherwise of bootlegs makes no difference to this equation (unless we are not being told the whole story). I guess it could even be argued that in this situation, bootleg copies of the record might actually further the lp's reputation, as this is the only means by which most people can hear it. Not that I am condoning the production of bootlegs, you understand..... Nigel xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Matt H's thoughts on B&S
by Matthew A. Neimark 23 Sep '97

23 Sep '97

Hey check out Matt's updated Shinkansen website: http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~shink/news.htm#bs What he says about B&S is quite amusing. (He probably hasn't heard Tigermilk yet. Perhaps, he should buy one of those European bootlegs. How much are they going for anyhow?) Matt N. PS I think it's appalling that you folks from Jeepster don't complain about copies of Tigermilk going for 300 pounds, but threaten legal action against a CD made from a CASSETTE DUB. That riddiculous, especially considering you posted a few weeks ago to the indie-list saying that there was "little or no chance" of Tigermilk ever getting reissued. And no, I'm not jealous of you super-cool cats who personally know the band and have autographed copies of Tigermilk because I'm in perfect bliss with my cheap "nth generation" cassette. (Actually it's a first generation cassette but I'd be content if it was nth generation.) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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