January 1998 - Sinister - missprint.org

RE: Sinister: Missing the point
by Hopkins T 05 Jan '98

05 Jan '98

Mark wrote: >Maybe you'd be happy if they recorded the next LP by placing a walkman in >the corner of a big room instead of spending a few days in a 'professional' >(oh my god!..) studio and using 'professional (here we go again...) >equipment with a 'professional' engineer. For my part, I'd be happy if it sounded good:-). Some of my very fave records ever are recorded on what you, no doubt, would consider dreadful equipment. So who cares? >And then they could release it on >cassette only without bothering to master it because they've got lives to >lead and they just do things for themselves - fuck the people who funded it >by buying the last record. Now I'm starting to get worried...Belle and Sebastian should do exactly what they feel like doing. If a tape only release is what they wanted, for whatever reason, then they should get right on with it. Although Belle and Sebastian obviously operate within a commercial medium, it's important to remember that this is art...they must do it for themselves! If not, who are they doing it for? For some nameless public who 'deserve' a 'service'? As for 'fuck the people who funded it by buying the last record', those people bought the last record because they wanted a copy of the last record. We were not making a long-term investment in the career of a band. If we don't like the next record, we don't buy the next record. Where's the problem? Why is that 'fucking' those who bought the last one? I hate it when folk in the music industry apply some kind of moral pressure for a band to be 'good', which inevitably equates with 'professional'. And the same people seem to get cross when a band does something which seems to sit unhappily with a standard music industry career path. The whole point with taking chances and doing things differently is that the results are going to be a little variable. Doing the unexpected inevitably means that someone won't like the result. >Duke, I think you'll find yourself in a minority here. Sorry mate Proud to be in a minority, as ever, tim ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Netiquette.........Arse.
by Adrian Evans 05 Jan '98

05 Jan '98

Apparently the Duke of Harringay wrote a load of shite...... However, I have to agree with what young Alistair said...... a) because he's a fellow Exonian and will probably duff me up next time I'm in the Cav; and b) He's right.....Sloppy, unpolished, concerts are all part of the romance with bands like B&S, and lets be honest..they are far from alone in this field. I'd bee a bit more pissed off If I paid good money to go and see a band and they played their latest album straight through and it sounded exactly the same....might as well just stay at home and save yer money. Foresight is a wonderful thing.......I think if Mark and JJ had any foresight at all they wouldn't of had such high expectations of the band. You pays your money and you takes your chances... I'm sure the band didn't lose any sleep over it. -- Adrian Evans ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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by timminsc 05 Jan '98

05 Jan '98

I have just returned to my email after a wonderful Xmas in Glasgow and have realised that I didn't unsubscribe. I am now wading through 300 messages, boy oh boy!! The first day I returned I met a friend who is very into B&S we were chatting and he mentioned how very Peanuts-esque the music was. Weird, considering the amount of mentions Peanuts had got on this list just before I left. Anyway, Happy new year. Did anyone make it to the 6th anniversary of Goodfoot on the 30th? Well worth sacrificing a drunken hogmanay for. Claire. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Missing the point
by Keith Watson 05 Jan '98

05 Jan '98

Strange really this gigs bit, I've seen B+S plenty times now, and the Saturday gig was definitely, and by far the worst of the lot (apart from Ashton Lane, the Sunday after the Longest Day where they didn't turn up), but having said that, I didn't really enjoy it any the less. It was still brilliant, yeah, it was a bit unprofessional, and I suppose you could be pissed off about that. Presumably a lot of you won't be going again. You are paying to see a band be what they are - rather than what you want them to be. Incidentally, bad as the gig may have been, I'm told it was a fuckload better than the soundcheck. Chin up chaps. Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Belle And Sebastian on the radio
by Nick Dastoor/BSHO/GB 05 Jan '98

05 Jan '98

Two Belle moments on local radio in London last weekend. First Mark Eitzel was on Sean Hughes' GLR show picking his favourite records of the moment. I somehow half-knew he was going to pick Belle & Sebastian and sure enough it wasn't too long before "The Fox In The Snow" piped its pretty way through my little clock radio speaker. Songs are often best heard that way. Mr Eitzel said someone handed him IYFS at a concert in the US and told him he had to listen to it. So he did, and he didn't like it, but then he listened again and now he loves it. So: Mark Eitzel, Ian Broudie, some bloke from Travis, and ermm...Ben Folds. They're taking rock aristocracy by storm. Then yesterday, on XFM's weekly singles review show attention somehow drifted to Belle And Sebastian. One of the reviewers, NME's Steve Sutherland said he liked some of their records but "Didn't really understand them". He challenged the other two to tell him "What they were about" or something, which they couldn't. And I wondered what he was on about. Actually, I'm very pleased to hear that boring old Steve Sutherland is so bemused by them. I mean I don't know what it was that he was expecting to understand about them, and I don't think I'd have much success 'explaining' them (or any band I like for that matter). Would anyone else on the list be able to tell someone like him what Belle and Sebastian 'are about'? Nick nick_dastoor.bsho(a)notes.compuserve.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: and parts of ancoats where i used to play...
by Andrew.Dean＠BULL.NET 05 Jan '98

05 Jan '98

that was very strange, the way they played 'matchstalk men' on the sunday night as it had been in my head all week after seeing Ancoats in the A-Z on saturday afternoon. actually, i've always thought they were singing about hangcoats, those hooks on the backs of doors. hey, i was young... (once!). always thought it odd that someone would want to paint parts of hangcoats. i mean, why not paint the whole thing? yeah, sound was a bit muggy at times but, hey, it was a live gig... and i'd rather hear isobel singing orange juice songs over a muggy p.a. than not hear isobel singing orange juice songs. and don't complain about the gaps between songs because they weren't really there (apart from the long one where the cello died - 'that cello doesn't need a doctor it needs a priest!'). saturdays gig was 80 minutes, sunday nights was 90 minutes and both contained 16 or so songs. and, anyway, it seems that most of what people will remember about the weekend happened outside the town hall. 4 or 5 miles outside in my case... was nice to meet those of you i did and will see the rest of you next time. and, hey, the dj on sunday played the original of 'kinky love' by nancy sinatra (later covered wonderfully by the pale saints) which i have been dying to hear ever since i knew it existed so... oh, and bumped into chris and his brother andy at manchester station the day after and, well, it looks like chris's passion for wearing wide bottomed trousers is genetic... strange that he was travelling back alone - 'yeah, they're trying to get rid of me - first they put me on a separate stage and then they won't let me ride in the van' and if anyone has a decent tape of the matinee show then get in touch and i'll swap you for one of the others. i'll offer tapes to everyone else in due course but at the moment i'm only really interested in trades. ok? and amanda, i have your mug and will post it when i've found suitable packaging. you ought to thank dave for this btw as he kept it to one side for me... andy not in a muddle at all, thankyou. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Sarah?
by Keith Watson 05 Jan '98

05 Jan '98

>well it's true... they made no attempt to hide it >either. check the credits on the sleeve. indeed >because it's not 'the band' is cited as the reason >the ep won't be on any compilation of ep tracks in >the future. I suspect however that mick cook is >the self same mick who played at manchester? and >was referred to as being a member of the band on >the beat patrol thingy. he chose chet baker so he >must be cool :-) > >off to the pub. > >the duke Mick definitely played on Dog on Wheels, and certainly never mentioned anything odd about the recording of it, bar Stuart telling him to "Play like Love". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Hello Peepell - back at work now, NUDE B+S 'member'!
by Keith Watson 05 Jan '98

05 Jan '98

How's it going darlings? Hope you all had a nice Christmas break and cheers for everyone being cool at the gigs in Baggy-Land. Nice to meet everyone - and I completely agree with Tag, we all ought to meet up sometime. He's coming to Glasgow in Feb, so we could all go out then. NEWSFLASH: On New Years Eve, a certain Mick Cooke was blowing his own trumpet in George Square, Glasgow. Mick, his brother Alastair and the rest of their merry band were completely butt naked in Glasgow the other week. Indeed, if anyone's been listening to Annie NIghtingale recently, Mick phoned in to tell her what he'd done for New Year and won a prize! He he Cheers, Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: a to zed of Glasgow?
by CARRICK44 05 Jan '98

05 Jan '98

hello from connecticut, (neat name, huh?) First time, long time (talk-radio reference which isn't actually true, since im by no means a long time listee, a week or so actually. but in these fast times, a week is quite a long time). Enjoyed all the talk of the shows in Manchester, especially the stories of the left banke cover and 'in a nutshell' being sung by isobelle. This band can't really get much cooler. pop smarts, wonderful lyrics and soul. The search for the young soul rebels is finally over. Anyway to my question/request. I'll be in the greater Glasgow area in about a weeks time and would appreciate any helpful suggestions as to what to see, where to shop, where to eat, drink, and especially where to record shop. And how has the weather been? I'll be in London as well, so any hints or must- sees there would be welcome. Oh, has the toursit board of Glasgow set up any B&S tour routes like the Beatles have in Liverpool? just wondering. bye for now, love Carrick ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: I hear it with a hiss. . .
by PKHINTZ 05 Jan '98

05 Jan '98

Does anyone know what exactly who I can only assume is Isobel goes on about at the end of "I Could Be Dreaming"? Was it something written by the band? I find it quite hilarious, especially the part about not being daunted by the largest word in the dictionary. Living and loving, Matthew ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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