January 1998 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: hmmmmm
by Sarah 04 Jan '98

04 Jan '98

anyone fancy a pint? I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!! Sarah "I saw the best meals of my generation Destroyed by the madness of my brother My soul carved in slices By spiky haired demons" --Lisa Simpson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: sarah'z talking bollocks - ACTUALLY belle and sebastian related! wonders never cease.
by Sarah 04 Jan '98

04 Jan '98

hi de ho neighbours! well, some of you sat next to me in the pub before STAURDAYS gig so you ALL count as neighbours!!! heres my two pennorth. i only went on Saturday, i was very close at the front. i thought Get me away from here i'm dying was lovely. i thought i don't love anyone, was also lovely. i didn't know all the cover versions and new songs, but i paid attention to try and see what they were etc. i *actually* didn't know what to expect from a band like Belle and Sebastian. this is my first *non-ROCK* gig really. for me, i was happy looking at Stuart Murdoch when he was my side of the stage. bad bits! i had to kinda tune out and look at the suroundins whe he'd gone. of course i didn't like that. but to tell you the truth if we wanna be like that thatere a few things that we would all *change* if we could, to make our own perfect little band. well, they're not *ours*. Part of why i like them is tha fact that they are normal LOVELY people making sensitive songs. So, i will put up with these things and not fucking slag them off all the time becaseu they didn't have the perfect set up, the note for note album veersions of their songs etc. and so they fucked up at times. i didn't cry about it. to tell you the truth, i didn't think the sound of the recordings on If You're Feling Sinister is that ace. to tell you the truth i almost fell embarrsed listening to Stuarts voice sometimes when he goes too high and weedy. but i'm only saying this cos i'm pissed off. i still love them *despite* that. it seems that i'm the only one who thinks when you love a band, you don't stop cos one of a dissapointment. there is a REASON why lovethem after all? and surely that doesn't change. i'm SURE i haven't seen the best of belle and sebastin. even you lucky SUNDAYERS probably aint seen the best either. i know i haven't but oh boohoo. am i talkinng any sense here? i think i should stick to my usual posts of talking shit about ziggurats. and to whoever asked about the joy Divsion box set being worth it, i just got it and: YESYESYESYESYESESYESYESHESYESYESYESYSEYSEYSYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYSYESYSY SESYES! and as for Steven Wells reviewing a BELLE AND SEBASTIAN Gig...now what the fuck was the point of that! at least he'll slag them of with flair. i may not agree with half a word he says but i'll still credit him with being a great writer. I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!! Sarah "I saw the best meals of my generation Destroyed by the madness of my brother My soul carved in slices By spiky haired demons" --Lisa Simpson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Post-Manchester Ramble
by Stuart Maclean 04 Jan '98

04 Jan '98

Hi all, just thought as everyone else had had their say, I'd wade in too. Um, so what did happen that weekend? Arrived Sat evening, booked in at our cheap hotel, alas not the Dolby but the Grafton down by the Uni. Off to Vinyl Exchange and Piccadilly for supplies first, then roamed my way to the Square Albert. Being the shy type I didnt really say hi much for about an hour, though I was one of the first there 8-(. Still, Martin turns up and beers are proceeded to be had. As it filled up a bit I said hi to Stuart and HoneyPaul and had a general good gossip. Ahem, bit worse for wear by 8, off we staggered across the square to the Town Hall. Ha, another church! Pseudo-bar upstairs and "please no drinks or smoking in the hall". OK, hung around, Arab Strap kinda came and went without exactly being there (?!). Is there such a thing as a "typical" B+S stage show, well assuming yes is the reposte to that, then I'd say "typical B+S" stage show, U-shaped stage!! PA looked quite small, yep very quiet gig to come. OK, so quite packed by the time I had finished another of Murphy's beers, so I'm kind of near the back watching two stages side on but with the sound right in front of me ;-) And them, um, well, I remember Photo Jenny as great and Century of Fakers as bop-along but not much else, and then they were gone.... Had I come from Southampton for this?? Still, no time to lose wallowing in the disappointment of it all, taxi off to Smile, where the entire Town Hall crowd bopped to such stupendous records as Therese, Carbrain and Pristine Christine. Said hi to Julian, my mate Mark's friend. OK Martin, its 2am, I'm tired and drunk and the gig is coming back to me, off home. Awake at 11 with no sign of aforementioned cohort, seemed he had "met someone at the end of Smile and gone to theirs". Blimey can't get the staff these days ;-). So, Sunday spent nursing hangover from hell, no ticket for the matinee but not to worry, tonights gig MIGHT be great, like Colchester after Oxford. Its kinda like Charlie opening that Wonka wrapper, this MIGHT be the golden ticket, so this gig MIGHT be the best in history. So, the Albert is closed, off to the Ferris Wheel, glance at GMEX, into the Briton's Protection (sp?) for a hairofthedog Tetleys. over to the Hall at 8. OK, feel better now, hangover gone, on the cokes, meet friends up from Wales (hi Mike and Fred) and good old Pat from Accies, who is amazed to see me (I'm now sitting here typing this taping him TM ;-)) So, support come and go without a fuss, get nearer the front than last night, that's better already. Off we go at 9.30. Modern Rock Song, and its just wonderful. Sound is about a gazillion times better than last night, and no its not just the lack of alcoholic stupor! The State I Am In next and if that isnt the best song in the history of music.... A glitch for Le Pastis , never my fave anyway, but then Shes Losing It, oh so wonderful, me thinks this next hour is going to be so great. But a couple more go by whose titles elude me. It is going off the boil I think, tho still better than last night. And, then, WOW revival or revival??? Century of Elvis just the best, what a tune (hmm preaching to the converted here Stuart??) better than horrid Fakers remake ;-) And Judy and Seymour and Dylan and it just flows and glides and this is the BEST BAND IN THE WORLD.... havent felt like this in years, since oooh Codeine in London.. they play for 80 mins and it just gets better. Hey whats this, "Another Girl Another Planet" to end, ha no, its "Sleep the Clock Around" and is this the full cacophony or what, everyone seemingly at full pelt, but WHAT a sound. Naff hotels and bad hangovers are forgotten, this is the place to be, here right now, no matter the cost.... On the way out, opinion landslide that tonight swamped last, off home to recover from a whirlwind time.. Hm, back to the "sounds like X" thread, anyone agree that We Rule The School has the solo straight from Streets of London by Ralph McTell ;-)) Just my 200 dollars ;-) OK, slaggings-off welcome. -- Stuart ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Missing the point
by Mark 04 Jan '98

04 Jan '98

Duke totally misses my point about the Manchester gigs. I DON'T want B&S to be a polished professional act, I said that in my post. What I do object to is corners being cut on the technical side, either through lack of experience or the foolish belief that 'all-round incompetance' is somehow attractive. Maybe you'd be happy if they recorded the next LP by placing a walkman in the corner of a big room instead of spending a few days in a 'professional' (oh my god!..) studio and using 'professional (here we go again...) equipment with a 'professional' engineer. And then they could release it on cassette only without bothering to master it because they've got lives to lead and they just do things for themselves - fuck the people who funded it by buying the last record. Duke, I think you'll find yourself in a minority here. Sorry mate Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: sinister - new Yankee on the list & possible Tigermilk for sale
by Mary Wyninger 04 Jan '98

04 Jan '98

Hello all, I've been lurking on the list for a few weeks now, and I wanted to introduce myself. I live in Seattle and B&S have been rocking my world for the past 8 months or so. I rarely get completely obsessive over a band, but B&S have definitely driven me to that level of fanaticism. (Other bands I feel the same way about - Guided By Voices, the Velvet Underground, Beat Happening, Superchunk.) All my money goes to buying new records, eating be damned... You know the drill. HOWEVER! I didn't just post to the list to waste your time. A friend of mine told me that the record store he works for, Luna Music in Indianapolis, IN, USA, just got in a few copies of Tigermilk on cassette. Someone else already taped it for me, so I declined - but I thought I'd pass the info along to you. I don't know if this is supposed to be widely-known - so if you contact them, you didn't hear it from me, OK? :) Luna's info is as follows: -- phone: 317.875.LUNA (5862) email: lunamusic(a)inetdirect.net URL: http://www.lunamusic.net/ -- Thanks, and good luck! Mary -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Mary A. Wyninger wyninger(a)speakeasy.org http://www.speakeasy.org/~wyninger/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: I'm sorry......
by Andrew O'Sullivan 04 Jan '98

04 Jan '98

Laurel wrote: > and let's buy rowhouses or an old hotel or something, then we'll all be > neighbours and the teabags can save on phone bills!!!! Not to mention all jumping in a bath together, to save, umm, on the, umm, leccy bills? Coat? ------------------------- Andrew O'Sullivan aeos(a)dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan/ "Whipped cream isn't whipped cream unless it's been whipped by whips; Just as a poached egg isn't poached unless it's been stolen from the woods in the dead of night." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Sarah?
by Richard North 03 Jan '98

03 Jan '98

Did someone called Sarah send something to the Void? If you did then well done 'cause I read it and it was great! Did you read the other letter that said most of Dog on Wheels was done by session musicians and not the band. *controversial* - especially as he said that he was at the recording studio. oh er bye Northy ``Don't be afraid to take a big step. You can't cross a chasm in two small jumps.'' - David Lloyd George. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Telling it how it is.... (Manc gigs)
by Mark 03 Jan '98

03 Jan '98

This post is critical of B&S and technical. Read at your peril! Congratulations to Paul Clarke for daring to make 90% of the listees cry by saying that Saturday was shit. He is right - they were so bad I almost couldn't be arsed to go to the Sunday gig. He is also correct to say that if they're only going to play a handful of shows a year, the very least they could do is rehearse properly for them. I'm a concert promoter for a living and a lot of things worried me about the gigs.... The PA was shit. As was the company that supplied it and also the FOH engineer. On the Sunday, two people were sitting on a 100Amp 3 phase cable near to the C-Form / Camlock connectors. Not only is this highly dangerous, it also breaches Health and Safety regulations. As a rule, mains cables should be flown, but if they are laid across the floor, they need to be covered with a carpet or something similar. Someone, could easily have been killed by an electric shock the way the PA crew had left it. The idea of a circular stack is interesting but not very practical, especially with the hopeless engineers the band had employed. There were 'hotspots' all over the room which meant you had to walk around to find a good spot where you could see AND hear. Delay stacks in all four corners would have improved things as B&S are a very quiet band. Also, one stack doesn't allow for a stereo separation which might have helped relieve the tinny 'vocal PA' style sound. The PA boxes, aside from being underpowered, were useless for the type of music B&S play. Also, given that Stuart Murdoch has an unusual mic technique (ie. he stands about 4 inches away as though he is scared of it), I don't think a bog standard SM58 was the right choice. It made his voice sound thin and tinny. The sign of a good Front of House engineer is one who is constantly tweaking things. In a live situation, it is nigh on impossible to attain a 'perfect' sound as the variables are changing all the time. Belle and Sebastian's engineer seemed more concerned with taking photos and chatting to mates. They should have sacked him on the Saturday. All of this could be overcome by employing a reputable production manager and doing some proper pre-production rehearsals. It's not as if the band's schedule is killing them - they hardly do any promotional work at all - so they've got plenty of time to sort out the live situation. A production manager would ensure the PA is suitable for the band's sound, locate a decent FOH engineer, assist Stuart with his mic problems (the records are great so he obviously doesn't have a problem in the studio), get them some instrument techs to avoid a repetition of the cello debacle and basically shake them up. I don't want to see them running on stage shouting 'Hey Manchester - we're here to rock you' and playing a polished set with scripted intros to each song. That wouldn't be Belle And Sebastian. Hell, I don't even mind Stuart forgetting the words, that is all part of the appeal. What I do object to is paying twenty quid for two gigs where no thought has been given to the production of the show and someone is pocketing the cash from cutting corners. Maybe they should think about this and employ some professionals before they next venture out. If they don't, the live audiences will dwindle and they'll be back to playing libraries and cafes where no-one minds if it's shit because they've only paid three quid to get in. Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Manchester astral polaroids
by Honey 03 Jan '98

03 Jan '98

Quick one - first "picture" of the gigs in manchester on the WWW page (URL in the footer). Now I'm waiting for one of the right hand side of the stage please - something doodled by a 6 year old would be nice. Honey P.S. Don't misread me if I am incoherent - keep up the debate and for god's sake don't stop swearing. Just occasionally buy each other a pint too. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: ongoing debates
by mctag＠mcmail.com 03 Jan '98

03 Jan '98

Dear all A quick one before I go to London. Firstly, regarding parties...well maybe it was alcohol talking (I found some whisky after I went out with JJ and Rach), but it was genuinely cool to meet some of you and it would be nice if we could have some sort of get-together without the 'distractions' of some pop group or other. I'll be in London a lot in the next 3 months and I'm planning a trip up to Glasgow soon, so even if it's just a pint or two.... Secondly, the case of the Duke vs JJ - well forgive me for being a woolly liberal, but I'm going to sit on the fence a bit more on this matter. I think we all realise that both sides were playing devil's advocate - no one wants to be electrocuted and waiting ages to see your favourite band only to have bad sound ruin the day is a major league pisser, but I don't think anyone of us wants to see the boredom of immaculately rehearsed, but ultimately soulless renditions of what is already on the records. I remember all this from New Order gig going days (god I'm old), accusations of arrogance and incompetence, but the simple truth was that their unpredictability was their charm and when they hit a peak they could be simply awesome. I think Belle and Sebastian would lose a great deal of what makes them special by striving for technical perfection. This isn't blind faith talking, no-one is above criticism and I certainly don't regard the group as superheroes, in fact what I like about the group is the fact that 8 normal and likable kids have found something magical. I think you all know what I mean. Right I've got a train to catch. Love Tag xx ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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