October 1998 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: bourgeoisie, working-class, botched capitalism and children of socialism
by Julien Boeldieu 16 Oct '98

16 Oct '98

Hello everyone :) "Bourgeoisie" is the word used by Marx and Engels to speak about the dominant class in the capitalist mode of production. I guess "upper class would be a more appropriate word, but I've read somewhere that "middle-class" was a synonym to "bourgeoisie"... So I'm quite confused. According to them, the bourgeois owns the whole means of production under the laws of private property. They draw their income from the capital they own and they put in the capitalist production. The proletariat is the class of those who owns nothing but their labour-power and who are compelled to sell it to the bourgeois to earn money and to live. According to Marx and Engels, this division leads to the exploitation of the proletariat. The latest sells its labour-power to its exchange-value (under the form of a wage), but it produces more than this value. The difference between this use-value of labour-power and its exchange-value is called surplus-value. This surplus-value, although it was produced by workers, is extorted by the bourgeois under the form of a profit. The domination of the bourgeoisie is economic, but also political. Even if the proletariat has won democratic rights by fighting, the state and the laws, the army and the police, are oppressive instruments used by the dominant class, and the parlementary democracy is a big joke that hides the truth the economic exploitation. To Marx and Engels, the historic role of the proletariat is to get rid of this system and to build socialism, ie a society without any classes and any kinds of discrimination and oppression, a society without any kind of division of labour, a society without state and government that would be ruled by a direct democracy -- a society such as the one John Lennon sings about in "Imagine" : a brother/sistehood of men/women that would share the world together in love, peace and harmony (which are the common goal, whatever Morrissey can say). The rise of a middle-class, the economic changes during the 20th century and the fall of stalinism haven't changed many things, finally. The sociologic composition of the working-class has changed a lot, but I think that social classes and exploitation still remain and will remain as long as the capitalist mode of production exist. This system creates unemployment, poverty, huge unequalities, competition, wars and needs to create and to increase all these things to survive. But by doing this, odds are that it will destroy the whole mankind. The present world crisis shows us that. The idea of socialism has been betrayed by Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot and many more who have turned it into uglies dictatorships, but I don't think it is an utopy. Capitalism isn't a "natural" system. It's the result of an history that can be changed. Everything is to be imagined ! Byebye, Julien. Christa, I miss you. == "Je ne remets jamais � demain ce que je peux faire le surlendemain" ** Alphonse Allais ** _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: she's loosing it
by Marco Braca 16 Oct '98

16 Oct '98

Good morning sinister, i recieved a copy of Tigermilk ( thanks Cal) and i want to linger over a beautiful song conteined in this first work. "she's loosing it" give me a lot of emotion. The vowell system of Stuard is unusual : "...........but in the first moment of a waking up.........." , every time i listen this verse i have a goose-flesh , expecially when Stuard sing "....of a waking up...". But what about " we rule the school" ? I have no more word : i bow to their greatness. Thank you for listen. Marco#7. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Lord Anthony + FAQ
by Ian D. Thompson 16 Oct '98

16 Oct '98

dear all, I saw Stuart M playing Lord Anthony in the old 13th Note (Glasgow) with Mick Cooke before B&S were formed (cant remember the exact year or anything). The Lord Anthony bit was a reference to the label that used to appear on the jackets made by the company of the same name, the guy in the song has one of these jackets. If I remember rightly these jackets were around at the same time as the Parka jacket, but were not as cool, and the wearers of Lord Anthonys were therefore open to ridicule. I've heard from a reliable source that it will be released as a single soon.... Adding to the FAQ, Mick Cooke and his bro' and a few others (cant remember names) were in a band called "Tropical Fishes" based in Dundee pre-Perambulator. Ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: not about my cat this time
by Heinitz 16 Oct '98

16 Oct '98

Fluffy Sarah shouted: >How can Liverpool be hell? Do NOT slag a town that has the >SUPERLAMBANANA! Yes folks, the SuperlambBanana is a bright yellow >sculpture, of a cross between the front end of a lamb, and teh back end >of a banana. Is it in Wallace Sqaure now Moonbeam? I saw it in Pierhead, >wow....... i saw it in the paper, once, and i wanted to go and see it properly... i've only seen one picture of it, but it looks ACE. My dad used to work at the yorkshire sculpture park, and when i was little we went there a lot... me and my brothers used to climb on some of the sculptures - not what they were meant for, but it was lots of fun. i still think you can't appreciate a sculpture properly until you have found out whether it makes a good slide. yesterday i saw a teddy pendergrass album in the great evil HMV sale. didn't buy it though. i came out with the trembling blue stars' lips that taste of tears, a t-shirt and a marvin gaye live album. someone (i can't remember who) wittered: > But really it's nice that the beanpoles get their chance at being the >queens, seeing as fat girls have had the rest of history to be the >paragons of beauty. and i suppose now white people should be slaves? and heterosexuals punished for their sexuality? would that be good to see? what WOULD be great is the media to realise that people of ALL shapes and sizes can be beautiful, instead of wanting everybody to look the same. THEN perhaps more people would be satisfied with the way they are instead of killing themselves to look like something they're not genetically programmed to be. hey, i'm getting the hang of this massage thing... no no, i meant mEssage.... love abi, who's short (gasp!) and fat (the horror!) and pretty (shock!) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Cheesey Trivia
by ChromK＠aol.com 16 Oct '98

16 Oct '98

Hello people, To my knowledge the FAQ bit isn't quite complete. Mick Cooke, the gorgeous B&S trumpet bloke, used to play guitar in 'Tetsuo', a thrash-metal combo who were kicking round Glasgow in the early 'nineties. Cam Jeffery (vocals) is worth a mention as he was very good too. Apparently he taught Catriona Mitchell from the Pastels how to play the guitar. There you go, an additional tenuous link between B&S and the great Glasgow instituation that is the Pastels. I'd be interested in information on their collaborative single too. Also.... On a cheesy theme.... Mick played in a band called 'Perambulator' before Hardbody. One of there songs was called 'I have your nose' and featured the lines: love me please like I love my CHEESE but don't you drill holes in my knees And I know 'cos I was there. Now who said that?? Regards Chrom x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Who Killed The JAM'S ?.
by Gary Done 16 Oct '98

16 Oct '98

Sebastian wrote.... > pavement ist rad...aaaaaah yeah Personally I find it very overated, now kerbing, thats the bunny. 87) then Sarah, Queen of Fluffiness got her crayons out a drew us all a picture.... > Archel wrote-ed > > >I spent many a > >minute thinking about the New Testament and the similarities between > >Liverpool and hell, and why B&S had anything to say about it. > > How can Liverpool be hell? Do NOT slag a town that has the > SUPERLAMBANANA! Yes folks, the SuperlambBanana is a bright yellow > sculpture, of a cross between the front end of a lamb, and teh back end > of a banana. Is it in Wallace Sqaure now Moonbeam? I saw it in Pierhead, > wow....... First off, can I say that Liverpool is far from hell, it's a fantastic place slightly ruined image wise in the 80's by Bread ?. Carla Layne's got a lot to answer for. As has whoever wrote Liverpool 1. Ahhh, the Superlambanana. Yep it was moved from Pierhead to Williamson Square, which is where it was last time I saw it. It's on a tour of the city though, so god knows where it is now. I do know that some sods been chucking things at it though, cos theres bits of yellow paint missing from it. > Speaking of which, in honour of the cardie wearing thing, I pinned a B&S > badge on my cardie the other day :) T!H!E!N! I went to Our Price, and > for 4 (FOUR!) free B*witched badges! One of which I pinned on as well, > and felt most chuffed. Everyone else laughed at me, and I was taken to > one side ot have a talking to, but I told them to all smell off and wank > over Skunk Anansie, 'cos of COURSE they are better than B*witched, cos > it's fucking political, cha?! OK, now i'm the man who once blagged 5 albums in a night from the cream of the welsh underground, but even I thought walking up to the woman in Our Price saying, and I quote, "I don't want to buy the album, I just want the free badges", was a bit cheeky you young scamp you. 87) Now come on, did I laugh at you ?. I'm buggering off now, see ya Gary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: B&S get drunk or something
by Andre Vieira 16 Oct '98

16 Oct '98

I was talking about the Munich gig on my last e-mail but forgot to say that one of my friends who was also there said she was walking home after the gig and was surprised to see Isobel walking alone late at night in this tiny street, under a light rain, real sweet and pretty as she always is. That made me think of another friend I dragged along to the gig who told me: "When you look at the band's pictures [from the TBWTAS album], it seems like they are faking these fey, dreamy faces. But when I saw them live, it's strange, that's really how they are." Oh, sorry everyone for the "Someone(a)somewhere.com" address in my last e-mail. I sent a joke message to a friend and forgot to change the e-mail settings. Stupid, stupid... Cheers, Andre. ******************************************************* happy for a day - some belle and sebastian thoughts <http://welcome.to/happy4> contact us at: <mailto:lalala@altavista.net> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: in states of distress...!
by carly marcoux 16 Oct '98

16 Oct '98

Sam quoth: "Ok i know i've asked before, but due to the fact of going to uni, than moving out and then moving back in again (long story don't ask) i never managed to get it settled. Could one of the many lovely people out there make a copy of tigermilk, the bbc sessions and what other goodies, there are out there. I will happily remimburse any one for the cost of postage and whatever (not to pay for a copy though, oh no). If anyone fancies trading for something, suggest something and i'll see what i can come up with." You knoooowwww... has anyone seen or heard from miss daplyn??? does anyone remember elizabeth?? it seems that she's sort of just fallen off the face of the earth... sandra and i are deeply saddened but semi-extremely-happy bunnies... i can explain... i must! we sent elizabeth two blank tapes in august and an international coupon to send back two freshly copied yummy hot off the presses *tigermilk* tapes... oohh mew... we may have been ransacked while our doors were unlocked, but we're not sure if she even got the cookies we left for her in the window...! did someone leave open the door? we need to know what happened! did miss daplyn run away? we sure hope not! does this make any sense to anyone...??? okay, okay, so on to lovlier things... i've finally whittled down my sinister mails to 20 from 400--- can someone please clap and shout and scream really loud right now!!! too much work lately and not enough time for chat! ugh. is everyone bringing their pez to the toronto show???! I can't wait... Sandra and i will be distributing our fanzine during the show ... called aptly "idoru" (japanese for idol) it has special jeepster content (we did it all on our own) thanks to the lovely *bug* who wrote the snow patrol review! and ed m's also sending us a northern soul bit to go with our motown museum tour! Belle and Sebastian on the 24th... who could ask for such a handsome/beautiful date! And o! sandra will be a VERY happy bunny soon, i'm sure because of beautiful Phillipe and his fabulous french sessions!!! wow! i haven't spoke this much in days! i've missed everyone... but i'm still here! hugs and sloppy kisses on a wintery fall morning, listee sammi! oh, and one more note! all this talk about c's radio show and we're feeling like maybe people should hear ours as well if they get the chance! it's every friday night in windsor, ontario canada from 10pm to 12am! called the "k-mart alice show" on CJAM 91.5fm uni of windsor station... on the net...is CJAMfm(a)server.uwindsor.caWWW Address: http://www.uwindsor.ca/cjam/index.html IT'S IN REAL AUDIO! i'm not sure how well it works but you have to click on the rca victor doggie to hear cjam live!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: B&S get drunk or something
by Someone 16 Oct '98

16 Oct '98

I also went to the Munich gig and I agree with Geoffrey and Pete; it was quite disappointing. The venue itself was terrible. The stage was so low and the Germans are so tall that you'd be glad if you could see more than one of the many band members. Besides, there were these two big pillars right in front of each side of the stage which blocked the view even more. But it was mainly the band's fault. The feeling you got during most of the songs was that the band just didn't want to be there but had to. Stuart M (whose hair clearly indicated he had just waken up) said they had just arrived by bus and apologised for not seeing the opening act, so maybe they were tired, I don't know. But I don't think they were drunk from the Oktoberfest. From their tour schedule I would guess they only had a few cold ones on the following day (Oct 4th). I took 3 friends along (2 of them knew B&S and 1 had never heard them before) and they all liked the Lucksmiths (the opening band) much better. Speaking of which, are there any Aussies from the list who could reccomend other Lucksmiths albums other than "A Good Kind of Nervous"? Two of my friends bought this CD (which sold out really fast) and it's really really good, a bit like a sweeter and happier early Violent Femmes. It was funny to see them onstage, the singer had this constant smile throughout all the songs, which made him look like someone you'd trust enough to leave your cat with while you went on holidays (if you love your cat, that is). I searched their website and found this email from a fan thanking the band for cleaning up his house after they slept over there after one gig. :-D Anyway, back to B&S's performance in Munich, here's the set list: i know where the summer goes the state i am in she�s losing it paper boat the rollercoaster ride lazy line painter jane chickfactor ease your feet simple things a century of elvis photo jenny loneliness of a middle distance runner seeing other people dirty dream number two I had never heard "where the summer goes" and liked it quite a lot. The same with "paper boat", which was sung by Stuart David. "The word out on the street is" StuD and Karn are buying a new house and need some money, so he wrote this mellow cheesy pop tune for the next ep (when is it coming out, by the way?). I found that lovely, and hope some more members need money as well. Love y'all, Andre. ************************************************************************ happy for a day - some belle and sebastian thoughts <http://welcome.to/happy4> contact us at: <mailto:lalala@altavista.net> =========================== "Men are so crazy, they want the essence, the woman is the essence, there it is right in their hands but they rush off erecting big abstract constructions." - Mardou Fox +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re: Fall question
by John F. Monroe 16 Oct '98

16 Oct '98

Jordi Trenzano Vilar writes: I have recently bought the Fall?s compilation "The A sides" (some songs from 1984 until 1988) and I would like to know if they have more records besides the ones of that period. If anyone else has this compilation or any record where the song "L.A." appears, I don?t know if you?d agree that this tune has more power than the 90% (or 99) of actual techno ones. And it is from 85 ! L.A. is a good ol' classic Fall tune, repetition, repetition, repetition, as they sang on a much earlier tune. and it has the part with brix smith intoning "this is my happening / and its freaking me out". film buffs might recognize that from one of those 'valley of the dolls' freaky flicks ( beyond? beneath? escape from? battle for? i cannot recall now... ) if you want Fall 'techno', go for "The Infotainment Scan", or the latest studio one, 'Levitate', if you want the stuff from approximately around when they did L.A., you can't go wrong with "This Nations Saving Grace", " I Am Kurious, Oranj", "Bend Sinister" or "B-Sides" ( that would be a good place to go after A-Sides, it is a double album, 2 cds, and actually a lot better than the A-sides collection ). +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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