December 1998 - Sinister

Sinister: Major Vs Indie!
by Jason Brent 18 Dec '98

18 Dec '98

Happy Holidays to everyone!!! A quick word on the indie debate. Indie labels are just as capable of ripping off artists as majors!!! Several "INDIE" labels, including one whose motto is "fuck corporate rock", are notorious for not paying artists!!! As for the majors, alot of times when you hear of an artist being dropped by a label, it coincides with a turnover of staff at the label, and their supporters are no longer there to help them. Other times it simply comes down to economics! Any indie, or major cannot afford to put out albums that cost 10 times more to make, than they earn. Sometimes the bands are to blame for their extravagances. Creation dropped MBV, their top act, simply because they couldn't afford them! Not because they didn't care! I am neither a proponent of majors, or indies. They can both be evil at times. It just depends on whose the captain of the ship! To all the mighty cynics out there, its real easy to be critical of those out there doing it, while you sit in your parents basement!!! Later Jay +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: :) *peace*
by Vanessa R. Siegl 18 Dec '98

18 Dec '98

>Lastly... It's bad enough people telling me I'm a worthless shit in >the real world without the trend continuing here. I never agreed >with all the people Hey don't worry I always enjoyed reading your stories :) love vanxxx _____________________________________________________ Forgive me for I have not sinned csaa7950(a)uibk.ac.at _gapminder(a)yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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by Steven O'Neill 18 Dec '98

18 Dec '98

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Sinister: Baby News
by Richard Lander 18 Dec '98

18 Dec '98

Our daughter Victoria Avalon was born on 12 December 1998 (weighing 7lbs 2oz or 3.2kg). I don't think she is the first 'Sinister' baby if memory serves me right but she is certainly the newest. I am bringing her & her mum home from hospital tomorrow and we were wondering if anyone had any suggestion as to which B&S track to play for her. we thought 'Fox in the snow'. Any other good ideas? You have until 22.45 GMT.

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Sinister: indieschmindie and "oh, i'm so cool 'cause i make music no-one likes".
by Jarkko Fr�ntil� 18 Dec '98

18 Dec '98

Hmm.... Funny, call me a heartless capitalist, but I'd rather make one crappy album that sells 100 000 000 copies than one perfect album that sells 10 copies. You guys can cry in your beds because no-one understands your music and your perfection. I'll just sit on my throne in my mansion just outside of Paris, while my personal housekeeper lies in front of me naked, giving me a footmassage, while my wife and two kids ride horses in my 600 acre backyard, which I can afford because my discopop-album "Barbie Is A Monster But I Don't Care" just went number one in the universal crapmusic-charts. I'd rather make tons of money than good music, you know. That's just the way I am. @--->--- a rose, love and other stuff that makes you feel funny in your tummy, jarkko fräntilä. ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Sorry Chaps
by Keith Watson 18 Dec '98

18 Dec '98

Sorry people, but I'm out of here. It's just too dull and depressing reading this every day. Used to enjoy it loads, but don't any more. Still glad to have met all the people I did, and I'll stay in touch with everyone. Please contact me at keith(a)qss.co.uk or k.watson(a)cableinet.co.uk if you want to get a hold of me. I'll still put a mail to the list regarding the meet up in Glasgow at New Year - in a few days or so, once I've consulted with some of the other people. And I look forward to meeting you. I'll still be in on chat from time to time too. Thanks for everything, Keith. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Never Trust A Hippie
by Warrander John - FML 18 Dec '98

18 Dec '98

Howdy Folks, I'm feeling a bit of a literary leaning in my mood today so I thought I'd start the proceedings by paying homage to that 19th Century Russian classic, Tolstoy's "War and Peace". I'll start with the "War" bit. The Duke probably doesn't know the danger he's in, so I'll warn him. >and it wasn't your sister i called aboot was it? No, it wasn't my sister. It was my bird. And a bloody big Deptford lass she is too with a Millwall lion tattooed on her chest to show for her days down the Den in the heady, crazy days of the early-to-mid 80s. She doesn't mind being called a boot. But a Glasweigan!!! I'd watch out for the glint of a scalpel blade if I was you. Now I suppose there has to be a "Peace" bit. Well, there's going to be some rallies for peace (around Britain anyway) tomorrow and I'd encourage you all to make the effort and take part if your feelings are that way inclined since that slimeball Blair is claiming overwhelming public support. There'll be a special prize to anyone who manages to get themselves arrested. A night in the cells. And I'm saying nothing about "losing man-cherries" since this is a serious subject and smut would be inappropriate. I had to unsub from Sha-na-na cos they scare me. Stand & Deliver, Love...John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Ooh, i wish people didn't bring me down on my holidays ...
by Katrina House 18 Dec '98

18 Dec '98

Dear List, hello ... how are you all? i'm having a lovely time in perth, remembering the good and bad things about this place, but also meeting my friends in the wa music industry again and rediscovering the passion they have for music ... ... something i have lost by living in london, i've become a cynic. anyhow, the main reason for this message was to say that i'm not going to respond to any the mails pro/against indie/major labels and using jeepster as an example. i cannot be bothered attempting to defend the company i work for, i've had enough of doing that in the past. i must also say that i don't one hundred percent agree with what david has just posted, but that i have decided (as i mentioned a little while ago) that i will only post to this list as me, katrina ann house, 23 year old, half aussie/half pom who just happens to be working for the record label of the band that she has fallen in love with. anything "official" that i need to say will be said on the jeepster news list and we are now going to unsub the sinister list from the news list, so if you wish to remain informed about jeepster and the bands on the label (including belle & sebastian news) then you must visit the jeepster web-site and subscribe yourself to the news list. http://www.jeepster.co.uk if you have any questions, just mail david at mailto:shop@jeepster.co.uk i hope this doesn't sound too bitchy or pissed off, i'm not trying to have a go or make life difficult for anyone or sound "holier than thou". i just feel i bit deflated as i spose i kind have taken personally some of the comments recently, i work (like most of you do i would assume) as hard as i can, because i believe in what the company i work for is doing and even though i know i should have a thick skin, it is hard sometimes to not feel like i'm being taken advantage of. so, that is the reasoning for making two katrina's, the music-loving silly little fan one of which you will read letters from (or not if i decide to be a lurker) on this list. did you know that if you have a swim in the moring you have to have an afternoon nap? or is that just 'cos i'm on holidays and i can? :) my parents are ace. and my brother, and my cat too. boy, it's great to be home. love, Katrina. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V2 #568
by david kitchen - jeepster 18 Dec '98

18 Dec '98

sinister-digest wrote: > From: duke of harringay <tangent(a)lineone.net> > Subject: Re: Sinister: oh deary me > jake, do you have connections with Jeepster? business or otherwise??? > i'm just intrigued, i just wondered why the 'me with my fan hat on' > thing... but whatever. Here's me with my very foolish looking (ab)normal > person's chapeau on: jake's dad is one of the directors at 3MV, 3MV handle the distribution and shops and stuff, he's also been a saviour in helping us when we do our mail-outs, 4,500 envelopes are a lot to pack :) > From: Sandra Duric <SANDRAD(a)accu-staff.com> > Subject: Sinister: ruling the school > So Jeepster's bloody cunning when it comes to marketing or = > just damn lucky. i think luck comes a lot into it, i don't think we're clever enough to be cunning :), has anyone read any pratchett? jeepster would be rincewind. > From: "jake" <kenny(a)dircon.co.uk> > Subject: Sinister: Taking off those indie blinkers > > Hi there list, sorry jake, but when it comes down to it, anything against jeepster should be answered for by jeepster regardless of how much yourself or anyone else appreciates or cares for the label. we're grown up and need to fight our own squabbles now. the whole major label indie thing is silly. full stop. there are no differences in that we all need to make money to be able to make the next record, that simple. even sarah records understood that principle. so why the debate? well it seems that what you're all arguing over is the way in which record labels make the money and how they treat their artists. and the hate against majors isn't that they make money from the bands (every label does, indie or not) but that the bands, the music is all treated as 'product' and without much care for the music or the people. majors plan everything, you wouldn't believe what the marketing departments actually control. so what about the indies? well, we're amatuer, the lot of us :) we still make money from the bands, if we never did the labels wouldn't exist and b&s wouldn't be able to fund recording costs, let alone production. but we don't have a marketing department, and we don't treat the music as 'product'. we care for the band and the music, katrina still cries at slow graffiti and i still have my breath taken from me at modern rock song. and the underlying thing is simple, it's not about who makes money, or who sells more, it's about who cares for the band, music and fans, and who stands by they're beliefs in these bands even when they're losing money (majors don't as a lot of recently dumped bands will testify). a major label and an indie may both make money (or at times lose money) but the ONLY diffence is that indies TEND to care more about the bands, and their relationship with those bands help create more diverse music which is free from the restraints of marketing, 'product' and current musical trends. i've typed quickly 'cause i'm on holiday, so if i've not made any sense, well, i'm sorry. but i hope you all get the idea. feel free to abuse me privately and spare the list (and listees) any more dribble cheers david kitchen PS: oz is lovely, perth is a dream, the in-laws are great and have a cool bar-b-que, we'll be back in mid-jan to deal with any trouble with merchandise, whatever, we love you all loads, have a cool christmas :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V2 #565
by david kitchen - jeepster 18 Dec '98

18 Dec '98

> > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:07:04 PST > > From: "Mark Cerzinski" <mcerzinsky(a)hotmail.com> > > Subject: Sinister: Me And The Major > > > > Ok People, > > > > Here's the deal. I think it's starting to get plainly obvious that > > Jeepster just aren't pushing Belle and Sebastian hard enough or far > > enough. It's ludicrous that they've been getting away without doing any > > proper interviews and not having their photos in the music press. We're > > their fans and we deserve better. Would it really have been so difficult > > to prune a track from the Modern Rock Song EP so that we could at least > > get excited listening to the new chart rundown? And even dreaming about > > a slot on "Top of the Pops" for the best band in Britain would be better > > than nothing, no hope at all. I really think B&S should sign to a major > > label now, before the potential they have is lost. They would be > > promoted better, have better tours in proper, established venues and > > their records would be easier to find and buy. Let's face it, B&S are a > > Radio 2 band. Grannies listen to Radio 2 and they buy their CDs in > > Woolies and Asda. They need a major label. > > > > Thanks for listening, > > Love, > > Mark xxx sorry if my holiday time delay means someone else has answered this, but mark :) don't you realise that it's the band that decide the things you're moaning about? don't you think that jeepster wouldn't like more gigs? i personally want the whole world and it's granny to have heard their music and to have had the chance to realise how life-affirming it is, but if the band choose not to promote themselves, and if the band choose not to tour, what would you have us do? i suppose we could put cardboard cut-outs in venues up and down the country, or start a campaign against the chart people for silly rules that make us exempt. but you know what? we're actually happy with the way things are going, and more important than the band touring forever is to have some more music to love, and i personally wouldn't mind never pushing the band to do promotions if it helped safeguard their prolific song-writing. i'd much rather have more music than more sales, and another thing. aren't you the guy that will turn round and hate the band once they 'sell-out'? a label isn't serving fans by exploiting a band, it's only serving itself. jeepster will never do anything the band doesn't want to, but if the band change their mind about what they're doing, then we'll support them through whatever they want to do then too. jeepster, serving the band and fans by helping to create great music without ripping you off and lining our pockets. david kitchen -- "i'd been in music for five years and if someone had told me that the record label would take my money to pay for those fucking posters at the side of the road and those shit adverts in the monthlies, i wouldn't ever have picked up the guitar in the first place. . . i have less now than i did then." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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