December 1998 - Sinister

Sinister: RE: sinister-digest V2 #567
by Gary Done 17 Dec '98

17 Dec '98

Hello, Well it happened, I put off saying anything beforehand cos people always miss my point. Michael wrote... > If they don't want to sell their souls to the great god of corporate > whores, surely that's a good thing. They're managing to sell a decent > amount of records on the strength of the music and a little bit of > mystique. This bit is such nonsense. In the US, B&S are distributed by Matador/Capitol Records. How much more corporate can you get? They're even featured in those damn music clubs like Columbia House (um, so says a friend). Who cares? I like the music, not a business strategy. The reason they aren't on the top of the charts is because few want to hear creative, witty and sincere music. Not with a new Alanis album around. Yes I like the music not the business strategy, that was the whole point. Besides I was referring to their reluctance to do any press, not their choice of record label, sorry for the confusion, I'm hopeless at expressing my thoughts. I don't care who they're signed to, what interviews they do or don't do, whether they choose to tour or not. I just want to listen to great music that's all. Anyway, my whole point was can't we just enjoy the music, put up with the tracks we don't like and respect B&S for who they are and how they are ?. Gary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: peace on earth, and good will toward sinisterites!!
by rebelstrange＠ldd.net 17 Dec '98

17 Dec '98

MUST--RESIST--URGE TO---STRANGLE FELLOW--HUMANS--- ok that's my bit in. i'm feeling better today. i chose not to post last night because the frustration was still too fresh. now then, what's al this squabbling and insulting, it's childish you know! art is by nature, subjective. we all have our diverse and lovely opinions about what makes us each have gooshy feelings or makes us cry or laugh. and music is the most wonderful of Arts, being so complex and incorporating every other art into the feelings it gives us, i.e. dance, visual images, belle lettres (hehee). I'm inspired to each of these simpley by listening to a song. Music is so wonderfully disparate in its inspiration and creation and form, i dno't see how it could possibly be concrete. it may likely be the most subjective of all the arts, in my opinion, but i dont' care to think how cos intellectual analyses bore me. i just wanna hear the pretty songs. cheers to reid's thoughtful post on how to appreciate the red headed step children of b&s songs. I personally LOVE rollercoaster ride. it's one of those that i didnt' care for at first, but now i find myself waking up with it in my head. i dont' know why, but i like it. Chickfactor, i think the music is really nice, especially the beautiful string part in it, that's just sublime, if i ever find myslef thinking i should fast forward through the song, i decide to listen to it so i can hear that gorgeous cello line. CF reminds me very much of the Kinks song about Oklahoma Usa. i like stevie's voice in seymour stein better, and the lyrics in CF are kind of well, crap, but i think the music is lovely. Century of Elvis is ok in itself, but in principle, it's a ripoff. no way should it rate AVOVE century of fakers, with its heartbreaking final verse and delighfully perfect isobel harmonies at the end. it's ok, but i would just rather hear singing than talking. the words for spaceboy dream are better, but the end part sounds like a stone roses jam. its still nice though. a lot of listees have said really good things about this fighting but i can't go back and list them all, so you know who you are, you saints on earth, i love all of you, and rest assured that Isobel is smiling down on you. (and if you dont' play nice and stop tattling on each other, i have a special Friend of Izzy i'd like you to meet) a Modest proposal: the B&S edition of Monopoly. the street names will all be from Glasgow, and instead of money they can pay with bus tokens. or they can play with both. and you have to ride the scheduled bus around the board, at particular times. playing pieces will be of course dog on wheels, the shiny apple, buses, a fox, yeah! you will receive cards such as these from "community trust" and "cosmopolitan diaries": Chris's flares have caused a gory boating disaster. shell out 20 quid for flowers and a hospital visit. Isobel gets stuck in French Popster mode. lose one turn trying to smack her upside the head with an arab strap. You have just been called "twee". go straight back to the schoolyard. do not pass Stow. do not collect 200 quid for a flight across the ocean. Sebastian, you're in a mess. you had a dream they calle dyou king of all the hipsters is it true or are you still the queen? go back 2 spaces and wear a dress for the next 3 turns. Photo Jenny strikes a pose for you. move up 3 spaces. OOh, that church floor is all gunky from last night's Dirty Dream. lose one turn cleaning up the mess. your new single, "Miss Elkins the Liberated Librarian" makes it to top of the pops. collect 100 pounds! ---of course the ultimate goal is to--uh--well ih avne't thought of that yet, but i'm sure it will be really great. any one smarter than me want to figure out all the rules? i've lost my patience with board games. oh and "you made me forget my Dreams" is God. remember that on judgment day. Sarah, a woman of my own heart, bless you. the Slits do rock with ferocity. and girls just rule, let's be honest here. you boys, with your weird body shapes, aren't men's legs just stupid looking? sometiems, in a blue moon, a boy will display an attractive upper torso such as yes, mr murdoch, that will make you think. but below the waist, there's not really much going on is there. i pity the fools. oh anyway. WANKERS!!! that's why i love Stuart. he's a REAL man, who doesn't have to go round singign about the size of his er, jolly roger, or how many chicks he banged last night. he doesnt' have to compensate for his deeply latent terror of being accused of enjoying buggery, which, let's be REALLLY honest, is what al lyou guys are really worried about when you try to act 'macho' and i'm not accusing particulars, just speaking in general (cos there are some lovely true boys on the list ). I love how he writes with such sensitivity about his female characters, that's reason enough to love. and besides, he's just the sweetest and most soft spoken guy you could ever meet, what a right gentleman. Hooray! for men like Stuart m. he's at the top of my "alternate sexuality" crush list. um.....right now he's the oly one i can think of but anyway. Sarah, you rock. that was a kickass post, dude! or whatever....... BUT SOFT! somewhere in the distance, a coyote pricks her ears. the silent message travels over the globe, trips across the stormy seas, wafts through balmy breezes and rustles the falling leaves, thousands of miles away............"what's that, lassie? someone has insulted the Goddess of Everything Marvelous, Polly Harvey?? who is it girl? what's that? find them and cane their brains in and then drop them down a deep deep ravine?? Go get em, girl!!" No really. you thought you were in trouble for slagging Isobel, you aint' seen nothin yet. polly jean is a woman of my own heart and soul, my inspiration when times were tougher than tough, and she holds a special place in my emotions. Not to mention that she's a truly divine creature of unsurpassed human beauty, and she has a Voice of Sex. Oooh you!! you're in trouble now!!! start running cos you're gonna need a big head start! hmm. i bought some nice flares yesterday, and i also bought a--uh mm---er a kilt. ooh me, i'll be sure to wear it with pride the day that i visit scotland! and you all can come to wish me luck in the next life, and perhaps soothe my devastating injuries before i go. no i'm kidding. but it's a real kilt, wooly and made in scotland and has leather little buckles on it and stuff. unfortunately i dont' have any of tnose stockings with fringes on them to go. i think girls would look cute in kilts. i'd like to see isobel in a kilt, with nice off-black fitting sweater and a little tartan cap with a feather in it. mmm......Amish porno........ Can anyone explain why when i listen to either le Pastie, or now France Gall's Poupee de cire, i have the deep urge to bob up and down and do that dance where you pretend you're swimming?? aah.......thanks again Xavier. anyone who has not heard the dulcet tones of Francoise and France should run out today and seek and find them. and let me say i was deeply scarred by the shock of hearing Nick Drakes voice. HORRORS!!! I think he and Stuart were reincarnated in each other. mummy, i'm scared. well i'm off to finish my poetry chapbook. it's due today and my cpu is deciding to be possessed by the devil and i have had many sleepless nights attempting to get the thing done. it's partially dedicated tO Isobel, just for a laugh. and i wrote an edie poem last night. i'm rather proud of that one, so far. unless today when i copy it down i notice that it's utter crap, which sometimes happens when you write. "Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel" lesleyJo +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: any other decent lists about?
by Declan McGurk 17 Dec '98

17 Dec '98

does someone know a slightly smaller-yet-similar list to this? i mean this is great an all but it just a bit of a chore trying to read all the stuff sent to it. i mean i dont, but i just wonder what i might be missing? and i'd like some empathy in it as well. cool. and i didnt put spaceboy dream in worst b and s songs cos its not them. its that non-stuart m eegit and his crappy side project. still not as bad as chickfactor though. see ya, Dec

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Sinister: oh I give up
by jake 17 Dec '98

17 Dec '98

I give up, you're all right. Majors good, indies good, and jeepster is just indie Sod this for a laugh I'm off for a swift absinthe (and then maybe i'll return to the list with another drunken comment and start a brawl) Topic closed (not that I'm telling people what to do on this list. And where is honey?) love jake 3 mails in a day- sorry +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: merv griffin?
by Jarvislon＠aol.com 17 Dec '98

17 Dec '98

ok i'll make this short.i don't pretend to know everything about B&S like some people on this list,but i'll throw my two cents in anyway.my opinion may not matter much(make fun of me if you like)i love the new e.p. and i like stevies vocals,i see nothing wrong with the way he sings.i mean if you're going to put down stevies singing you should say something about stuarts ,as well.of course IKWTSG is kind of boring but 1 out of 4 isn't bad.give some credit.oh yea! sha-na-na is evil and they will ask you to sign something in blood,don't do it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Taking off those indie blinkers
by jake 17 Dec '98

17 Dec '98

Hi there list, Having been so well beaten in the playgroung fight when Sir, (aka Duke came in) and broke up the fight at the same time as pushing me to the floor (no, smut content zero, so this ain't going no further), i though that I'd wipe the blood from my nose, the dirt from my knees and stand up in assembly and explain........ We'll connections with jeepster, as I said before I gave a hand with the mail outs and ep mailings, hardly much but I met the crew and saw how things work. I've also worked with their distribution company, and therefore during this time dealt with other indie labels, such as skint and creation. Jeepster is still very small, just the 3 people in the office. David, Katrina and Mark Jones. David and Katrina we know about, and Mark is the man. He signed them (just go and read Stu D's ink polaroids) and although the label is still out to make money there is still a passion unlike those other labels, with fans such as David and Katrina in the company, they are always going to get a true opinion. >From what I've seen the no interview policy was Stuart Murdoch's idea, and it is him with the masterplan rather than the label. That is why they signed to jeepster for less money, they knew they could play it as the wanted to, ineligable singles as they like, and gigs as and when they wanted. Don't you think that if Jeepster had utter control, and the urge for money that they've been accused of then they would have lost a track? Chart single, more airplay, more sales, more money. Simple as that, but Stu didn't want that, he isn't driven by money and thus nor are Jeepster, he has control. As for the other signings, Mark has the same belief in them as he did with Belle and Sebastian, it just happens that they aren't ever going to make it in quite the same way as B&S. Alan McGee signed Oasis, and then signed the dismal 3 colours red and hurricane#1, he had belief in them, in much the same way as Mark has with his acts. It is a money machine, it is a business, but there is still passion. The difference is there between Jeepster and Creation. Trust me. Trust them , they'll do their best for the bands, keeping the faith jake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: ruling the school
by Sandra Duric 17 Dec '98

17 Dec '98

The Duke rules! i'm not damning Jeepster, i'm just saying that they're working in the same system as anyone else in the business, and i don't think that the folks in charge are naive enough to think they are doing anything else but being a business. They might have started out as being more passion and belief than anything else, but so did Creation. Sooner or later, when success arrives, the goals change. It's fair enough. And i don't think Jeepster has anything like the cred or kudos of early Creation, simply because they don't have enough talent on their records. I was talking to a culture studies professor at the University of Chicago when all the B&S hype was happening in the States, just before their tour, and he said that the B&S rise to fame and glory would be a record company marketing executives wet dream, indie or major. There's nothing like mystery to pique people's interests, and then of course, putting value on the music versus wasting time running around doing interviews, playing the media darling or fool, while frustrating, does validate them in the eyes of their fans. Not to say they don't value their music. So Jeepster's bloody cunning when it comes to marketing or just damn lucky. This whole indie/major debate makes me think of label sluts - only Prada, only Gucci. Granted, I thought it mattered and bought things just because it was on a particular label, and I still keep my eye on certain ones because it's an old habit to break, but eventually, you realize how snobby you're being, and it doesn't really matter - good music is to be found anywhere, on any label. Off topic though - Frank! I tried to email you but was rejected (your Lan administrator is on to you!). I was going to say if you like the Delgados, get the Cinerama! Just trust me on this. Even more off topic - it's cold and pretty and little snowy icicle things everywhere and santa's elves are making all the car door locks freeze and everyone's getting excited because it'll be a "White Christmas" and I'm thinking, time to move to the Bahamas! Screw rosy winter cheeks! Back on topic - Carly and I will be spinning the new ep Friday night so if you can, tune in. 10pm - midnight, Detroit time on CJAM 91.5 on www.uwindsor.ca/cjam/music_links.html Merry, merry... alexandra +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: oh deary me
by jake 17 Dec '98

17 Dec '98

STOMP STOMP STOMP, Oh dear Mark, picking on Jeepster is not very nice is it? Especially seeing as neither David or Katrina are here to defend themselves and the label. So in their absence I challenge you to a playground fight, I know that the might of Big Dave Kitchen would have been more frightening, and that Katrina would be on the side cheering him on, but i'll do my best.................. But before the fight starts, I'd just like to say may last words, with around 800 people listening. I'm not even going to put on the Katrina wig for this bit, this is me speaking, no jeepster connections, nowt, just a fan....... Do you not think that if Belle and Sebastian were on a label they might have turned out a little different? There would have been 3 singles of sinister, the 3rd would have made the charts, and then would come the 2nd album (to a major) and it wouldn't be a arab strap at all, think la pastie, and again, and again, and again. A major wouldn't care about the music, they'ld care about hits and money and thats it. They would have either ended up like gorkys (ie dumped by the label) or just a pop/indie band , and I'm happy with what I've got now, thanks very much. The Band didn't want that either, they signed to jeepster because of the freedom they were offered and got, they could, undoubtably, have signed for more money elsewhere but they would have lost control of the music. If you want a band that'll be on radio one all the time go and love gomez........... (or the divine comedy, Neil has just signed to parlophone for £1m, and just watch him become pish) Now back to that fight.. [rolling his sleeves up] love to all jake +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: oh deary me
by Scott Turner 17 Dec '98

17 Dec '98

geeze, how'd this list turn so quickly into a bunch of bitter bickering old farts. Lighten up. Have some egg nog or manishewitz or whatever puts the winter smiles back on your faces kids!!!! .scott +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: This *is* a declaration.
by J Errington 17 Dec '98

17 Dec '98

Firstly if you hate bis then fair enough but you don't have too yell it out in a public forum like some kind of style policeman. Secondly, JJ said this: > Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:01:10 +0000 > From: JJ <johnj(a)seahouses.u-net.com> > Subject: Sinister: boring > > J Errington wrote, patronisingly, about Tag: > > Oh Tag, I feel your pain, of course. But you know, bygons may be > >bygons but this isn't a bygone, if you follow me. But don't. Alright, I > forgive you > >for being a waste of space. *Mwa* there, that's better isn't it? Now go > play with > >brad. > A waste of space? Rich coming from you. Please let me tell you on behalf > of many of us, your 'wacky' tales of your 'zany' student life are > irrelevant and uninteresting to us. Perhaps you could start your own list > for this subject matter. Thank you. > JJ JJ, did you really think I was being serious? Really!? It was a JOKE. Ever heard of a joke Mr. JJ? No, I don't mean beating up the weedy kid or pissing off the top of a building. "'wacky' tales of your 'zany' student life" means nothing to me. My life is miserable, joyful or some point in between, usually closer to miserable to be honest. If you think it's 'wacky' then fuck you. Lastly... It's bad enough people telling me I'm a worthless shit in the real world without the trend continuing here. I never agreed with all the people who said this list was going downhill. OK, I thought, its a little clogged up but still good. Where has all this hate come from so suddenly? A debate that is little more than mutual baiting? A tendancy to shout at anyone who got in your way? Fuck it all. I may write again sometime in the future, possibly. This doesn't affect the story chain people by the way. james martin errington. (weejay if you must) "Modern capitalism, organising the reduction of all social life to a spectacle, cannot offer any other spectacle than that of our own alienation" james(a)twopounds.u-net.com (my site kills browsers) http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Cabaret/5523/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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