December 1998 - Sinister

Re: Sinister: kids toda
by Ivo A P Escossia 07 Dec '98

07 Dec '98

>do we think these movements exist at all anymore, or even have >any reason to This is not that main subject But i like Belle and Sebastian (the world is not just LIKE) cause they are not in any "music scene". I can not see them as Twee or just another Indie-Pop band. It's not like Shoegazing It's not like Class of 86 It's not like Indie-Dance (here in Brazil) ..Madchester ( in England, or not ?) It's not like Blondi(e) Fever (remember Darling Buds, Primitives, Heart Throbs and Flatmates? ooops !! and PARACHUTE MAN ??????) It's not like Gothic (oh my God, is REALLY true that Bauhaus is BACK ?) It's not Romo (What ? Simon Price ??? ) Am i wrong ? ~~~^~^v^~^v^~^v^~^v^~v^~^v^~^v^~ Ivo A P Escossia +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Kostars
by Chris Butler 07 Dec '98

07 Dec '98

what's people's take on bands like the Kostars? definitely not lyrically like b&s, but what is the (not so) subtle difference that splits them? i could classify all the exact characteristics, but i'm wondering if there is an "essence" that defines b&s vs. other clever, folksy-ecletic, alternapop. maybe it's just the cardigans and general artsy knowledge that's pervasive. another q - vespas. what's the connection? don't blame it on some cultural syzygy of 1978 rome and 1998 uk either... and why am i loathe to use the expression 'deja' vu'? isn't there some other way to describe the feeling? siddharta never wore his trousers rolled OR ate a peach. apologies for the questions without the multiple choice. Senor Droolcup +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: semi-off-topic: MP3s
by Mark Kolmar 07 Dec '98

07 Dec '98

I think you will see the relevance. In case you think it is all one, big happy, fuzzy, cuddlefest in the music business. Public Enemy had put up MP3 of at least one previously-unreleased track. Then: "12.02.98 BTN 2000 UPDATE It seems like the weasels have stepped into the fire.... Today Polygram/Universal or whatever the fuck they're now called forced us to remove the mp3 version of Bring The Noise 2000. The execs, lawyers and accountants who lately have made most of the money in the music biz, are now running scared from the technology that evens out the creative field and makes artists harder to pimp. Let em all die... Im glad to be a contributor to the bomb... "Caaan yoooooou dig it!?" -Cyrus (Warriors) CHUCK D" from http://www.public-enemy.com/audiovideo/btn.html +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: (no subject)
by DMBesPhish＠aol.com 07 Dec '98

07 Dec '98

hallo! well this is my first time post...i have also been lurking about for a while. i must agree and say that you all are a very clever bunch, and i have much to learn about being smutty and witty. but for now ill just be the same old chap i always am. on a musical note (ha, get it?) ill tell you guys a little about my music. one side of me is really into the hippie music (dave matthews band, phish, ben harper, ekoostik hookah...) and the other side is starting to get more and more into the indie scene. so far ive really only been exposed to belle and sebastian and elliott smith. but dont worry im gettin there. i have realaudio so if anyone tells of any bands they think i should have a listen to i would be more than happy to hear of them. some of my other favorite bands are...smashing pumpkins, radiohead, R.E.M, the beatles, and tom waits. and i have recently discovered gomez...which is my new obsession. im sort of a mix between hippie and indie, but on some of my hardcore hippie days ill probably talk like an earthchild, so you guys will just have to put up with me :) and as for c.s. lewis and madeline d'engle? i appreciate their writing but ive only read the lion, the witch, and the wardrobe and a wrinkle in time so far. im not very big on reading. probably cos the only thing i ever have time to read are the sections in my history textbook. but another one of my favorite authors is j.d. salinger. hes prettty clever. well i guess thats the end of my first letter, not much else to say really. oh yeah...whats with that list crush thing? ahh i dont really understand it...but then again i dont understand a lot of things :) well...im probably rambling on like a bore now so... xo, jackie in my cd player: IYFS +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: KoC fun
by mctag＠bigfoot.com 06 Dec '98

06 Dec '98

Hello Little Ones, I just went into our local newsagent and saw that B&S advert in Select that everyone's going on about, and it's ace. I suggest you all go and have a look. Inside back cover as JJ said, I wouldn't want any of you to unnecessarily waste your money on magazines, unless...you know. Because I'm very cultured, I recognised the picture in the advert as being from the Jean-Luc Godard film "Une femme mariee" as I'm sure you all noticed. Funnily enough, I recently bought the make up's "Untouchable sound" single, the sleeve of which is also uses lots of images from Godard films. Mere coincidence? Who cares? Even though Mick doubts that nice John Warrander chap's soft rock credentials, John just bought me the Sagittarius LP "Present Tense", which was very kind of him. I don't know how I lived without it frankly, it's the most wonderful thing, even better than the Millenium. Last night everyone's favourite Norwegians the Kings of Convenience played at the Star and Garter. They were very good. They even did a Nick Drake song to increase their Sinister cred. Well, maybe that's not actually why they did it. Later one of the Kings, Erlend, shook his rather pert booty upstairs at Smile, where some juvenile fopp, a drunken Aberdonian and an Eskimo were DJing, without the benefit of headphones. Like troopers. Keith, we played "Ace of Spades", where were you? Duke, if you interview Lawrence, ask him if he still thinks Dani Behr is "a bit of allroight". Susannah's back! She'll tell us what to do. Susannah, are you going to box Stu then? Wouldn't mud wrestling be better? I'd pay good money to watch that. Love Tag xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Ten apples up on top
by susannah 06 Dec '98

06 Dec '98

Dear Kids, Its again been another decade since I last posted to the list, mainly due to the world and his mother now subscribing, plus my Dad saying to me 'do you know theres a Belle and Sebastian web site, and a mailing list?' no, Dad I didn't. Well he says, 'I'll log on and get some information for you if you like.' Please GOD, let him not find the drunk photos of me or my sleaze quiz post from 1974 or he'll send my Christmas presents back to Santa. So is anyone appearing on the TV in Belle and Sebastian fancy dress? Or will it just be Neil, in comedy wig and glasses, standing with his back to the camera doing that thing you do when you pretend someones feeling you up, only its just you on your own. If I had the guts I'd challenge Stu to a boxing match, yeah, really! The thing is, I joined a gym, and one day this bloke roped me into to a boxing class to make up the numbers, and it was grate. I learned all the moves, left jab, right jab, right hook, uppercut. thing is , we were only hitting punchbags and them pads you put on your hands, but once you get going, the desire to actually land one smack on someones jaw becomes overwhelming. Only my flatmate doesnt really seem up for it, and the only person I can think of is Murdoch. And I'm still pissed off with him about Manchester. So, Stu if you're reading how about it? we can do it wherever you want, in London, in Glasgow, in the mud. Naked. Sorry. I am moving out my house next week. God knows where. No, really! Thing is, Its all been so hectic the past couple of weeks I've not even thought about looking for a flat, and the landlords selling up. If anyone knows a one bedroom flat for rent, up to 450 smackers a month, let me know. Don't even thinkof offering me a room in a houseshare as I am untidy, smelly, come home at all hours, have a variety of undesirable boyfriends, and sometimes soil the carpet. Actually I'm a perfect flatmate but I just don't like people. Katrina! I have dreamt about members of Ride for the last two nights running, only Andy Bell was just a head. Hmmm. Well! thats the end of my post then. I am currently trying to think up a fantastically amusing storyline for a dirty dream video, but it wouldn't pass the censors. Did you know that channel 4 are to screen a documentary on bestiality? Set your videos. love Susannah. xxxxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: youth movements and stuff
by chris skudder 06 Dec '98

06 Dec '98

just testing my effing computer >From owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net Sun Dec 6 05:04:00 1998 >Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA24355; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:02:08 GMT >Received: by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (bulk_mailer v1.9); Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:01:36 +0000 >Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA24175 for sinister-outgoing; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:01:15 GMT >Received: from violet.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim(a)violet.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.58]) by envy.ph.ed.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA24107 for <sinister(a)majordomo.net>; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:00:52 GMT >From: skg21(a)hermes.cam.ac.uk >Received: from q7300-03.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.92] ident=PDB32) > by violet.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) > id 0zmdoX-0000F3-00 > for sinister(a)majordomo.net; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 13:01:29 +0000 >Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 13:01:27 +0100 >To: sinister(a)majordomo.net >Subject: Re: Sinister: youth movements and stuff >Message-ID: <1423815.3121938087(a)q7300-03.quns.cam.ac.uk> >X-Mailer: Mulberry (MacOS) [1.2.3, s/n S-100001] >X-Authenticated: skg21 by imap.hermes.cam.ac.uk >X-Licensed-To: University of Cambridge >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Reply-To: skg21(a)hermes.cam.ac.uk >X-List: Sinister > > >Genevieve wrote: > >> well,honestly..i don't think there is a big big movement with belle and >> sebastian type youth...well,maybe there is in little unknown ways... > >I actually think there is a movement going on, which we are part of. It's >not about trying to change the world by smashing the system or anything, >it's about tolerance and generally being nice to people. In a way it's the >antithesis of the punk movement. Sure, the world isn't the best place on >earth, but by friendliness, humility and consideration we can make it >better. And the great thing about it is that you can see results >immediately - just by being kind to someone you can make them happier. It >is very different from previous 'youth' movements in that it is locally, >rather than globally, minded which is why it doesn't get as much attention, >but it's still going on. We are all part of it - 800 people and noone is >abusive on the list ever, which is quite impressive. > >> heather: >>>This is what I consider to be so interesting about this movement, it's >>>niceness. Please, someone, explain this to me. Are the hugs, fuzzy >>>sweaters, comeraderie with one's parents all a symbol of a greater >>>cultural fear of the millenial unknown, or is this for real? I love the >>>music, but I'd like to solve the mystery of the seemingly docile youth >> who >>>follow it. >> >> i don't think they are really docile..i mean would not exactly call my >> relationship with my parents very comeraderie,my halo isn't exactly >> gleaming..i mean sure we share little stories on here,but there's a lot >> of darkness that people just aren't going to see...but again,maybe >> elsewhere these fuzzy sweater people are like that,i can only speak from >> what i do and see. > >Well personally my family's going through a bad patch at the moment, which >is why I'm dreading spending most of the next 4 weeks with my parents. The >difference is that (like just about everyone in this hypothesised movement >I guess) I will still do so, and try my best to keep everyone getting on >with each other. Everyone gets annoyed at some things and some people - >what matters is what you do about it. > >I would never describe myself as a hippy (although free love would go down >well at times ;-) ), but I respect what they tried to achieve far more than >the punks. I'm far too cynical to believe that we can all love everyone - >there will always be people you don't get on with - but you have to be able >to live with those people. > >Apologies if I'm sounding like a moral preacher, that's not what I intend >at all; I'm just describing how I think most of us, and an increasing >number of people in general, live our lives. And I happen to think that >it's a good thing. > > >As for a musical movement, that's a different kettle of fish. The trend >over the last 5 years seems to have been a history of pop music. It started >with Britpop - basically a 60s revival - and has so far been through prog, >glam, 80s dance music, the current 80s crap pop revival (Stock Aitken and >Waterman all over again) amongst other things, in proportion with their >importance and durability at the time. Maybe B&S will slot into an acoustic >revival next year, who knows. There hasn't been a genuinely new sound to >any popular music since grunge (which wasn't far away from punk anyway). >Have people run out of ideas? Is pop music's 50-year reign as leisure >pursuit of choice for the young finally coming to an end? > > >Reading through the above, it all seems very mellow and reflective - just >the mood I'm in today I guess (partly because it's the end of term and I've >been saying goodbye to loads of people, including some old friends who've >been here this weekend that I haven't seen for ages and won't again for >ages; and partly because I'm a bit hungover). And you've probably all given >up and gone home by this point. I just wanted to set out my point of view, >in case anyone agrees or indeed cares. > > >Oh, and while I'm here, the list crush site. I've had a few emails >regarding its merits of otherwise, which will all be taken into >consideration. For now it's staying there, but I should warn you all that >since neither David nor I will be around over the next few weeks it won't >be maintained particularly; so if there's any names you want putting on the >list (or taking off it) do something about it now... > >Big Stu > >In my liver: far too much beer and wine >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". 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(Fwd) Re: Sinister: Bookness
by WeeJay 06 Dec '98

06 Dec '98

Oops, I sent this to JJ by mistake. ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self <Single-user mode> To: johnj(a)seahouses.u-net.com Subject: Re: Sinister: Bookness Send reply to: V0168JE2(a)solent.ac.uk Date sent: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 16:28:09 -0000 JJ wrote: > Mick McMick wrote: > > Ursula K. Leguin (though > >I can't remember a stitch of A Wrinkle in Time for the life of me) and > >especially yes to Frank Herbert. Right now, I'm reading his Children of > >Dune > Doh! > A Wrinkle In Time, 'Mick', was of course written by Madeline L'Engle > although I may have spelt her name incorrectly..I haven't looked for a > webpage about her yet because it's early in the morning, but that was > ALSO a good book as was it's sequel.. This hasn't anthing to do with that, but it's the closest quote I can be bothered to find... Anyway, whoever said that Ursula Leguin's adult fiction wasn't any good was wrong, wrong, wrong, as wrong as can be! The Lathe of Heaven has to be one of the most inspirational things I've ever read - It's about this man who when he goes to sleep has strange dreams, then when he wakes up the world has changed to fit in with his dreams, and only he knows that it's ever been different. He goes to a psyciatrist who is sceptical at first, but then realises it's true, and abuses it by hypnotising him to make him dream of a world that embodies the psyciatrist's pretty dodgy futurist ideas. I'm not saying any more as I don't want to spoil it, but WOW! it's really reccomended. And I briefly said that my favorite CS book was 'The Horse and His Boy' with no explanation. Well, here goes - I liked the whole series, but it alweays struck me as a little unimaginative in a way, in that it had all the usual animals you can see in that kind of thing. But in THAHB insead of some children coming into it, yyou have the whole thing set within that world and you get to see a much more interesting bit of it. I used that quote from JJ cos he also said: > The Dune series, however, what a load of pretentious wank. I could be > wrong about those, after all they are dreadfully popular. I bought 4 of > them before I realised that it wasn't me, it was the books that were crap. I have tried in vain several times to read 'Dune' but it really escapes me. It's like some civil service document in that you get the impression that the author wants you to only understand half of what he's saying. To read it, it seems, you need to understand his fictional universe in the first place, and to do that of course, you need to read the books. I don't know, I'll get back to Zola instead. > Have a lovely weekend, it's time for BACON sarnies now... Sarnies!?! They're butties and you know it. Pah, home counties boys! I'd send Brad around to whip your pasty hide if it wasn't for the fact that I'd have to actually meet him and therefore fall under his bad influence again. And yes, that's my staple diet at uni too, as opposed to home where I'm nearly a vegetarian. This must be my first re: message. Yeay! Choccaboy checking out, WeeJay xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx James(a)twopounds.u-net.com "I know there's a lot of bass players in the audience tonight, I know living amongst the constructions that the people in power have built doesn't feel so right" mAKE UP - "We Can't Be Contained" http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/ (Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: "99% of Gargoyles Look Like Bob Todd"
by Gary Done 06 Dec '98

06 Dec '98

A light headed Matinee Mart wrote... "Still,=20 you can't help but love a team that had Morrissey playing for them,=20 can you?" He still is, sadly, I wish he'd get back to making records and quit football. He needs a haircut as well. How could you let Ray Mathias come back to Wigan, though?=20 That's two fucking great managers we've poached off you (though Bryan=20 Hamilton's not that popular down Wigan way any more). I don't know and I'm gutted, couldn't you have poached Aldo instead. Class player noone can deny it, but shit manager. Adrian "Boom Boom" Evans wrote.... "~~ As for Clinton Hill, are there any other second division footballers who share their names with parts of the US? I think we should be told. OI, we're a first division side if you don't mind, second class maybe, but first division. Anyway, I hear that there is someone called Flushing Meadows playing for Mansfield reserves. ~~ There aren't, I've checked...but your keeper is not unlike the Statue of Liberty at times....boom boom." Says you. Depends which one you mean, the one we shipped of to E***ton, Danny "I'm so short I could be one of the Krankies" Coyne, or the new Dutch fella who's top banana. Warrander John mentioned some bloke called Murdoch or something banging on about how he got into Gainesbourg via his top tune Harley Davidson. I've only heard the Mick Harvey version, but that is a tip top tune, I like it lot's. Are there loads of versions of it ?. Mr Miller aka Sister Disco wrote... What's all this about Pete Wylie? He's up on a charge of threatening to kill his ex-girlfriend. He should be up for releasing shit records and having an ego the size of a tower block as well. Gary, could you call your next message "99% of Gargoyles Look Like Bob Todd" please? For you anything, how's that ?. Any particular reason for this request Senor Miller ?. Keith mcl spoke of music for Autistic kids... My kid brother is Autistic and he likes "Don't Look back in Anger" by Oasis and Bewitched. When he was a baby, he liked Technotronic as well. Bye all Gary +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: youth movements and stuff...
by OLDSCHREC＠aol.com 06 Dec '98

06 Dec '98

Nice points Genevieve. I don't know if there is a youth movement surrounded about the Belle & Sebastian fanbase or any other quaint whimsical pop bands for that matter but it could possibly be assumed that all B&S fans are very compassionate for the earthly concerns that you mentioned. More interest for basic needs like food, air, water, shelter, clothing (fashion), and love (my only reason for living) instead of designer clothes, Nike, and ear piercings. I for one think daily about the dinosaurs and how they walked this planet before us and were erased as a species and that we will probably meet that same fate in the future if we are not careful and trendy posessions aren't timeless enough to be part of the scheme of things. If this be hippy talk, so be it. I'll gift the peaceful flower instead of casting a stone anyday. Peace, Pete +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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