December 1998 - Sinister

Sinister: i'm busty and know how to please...
by Alix Campbell 05 Dec '98

05 Dec '98

...(said the card in the phonebox) books: my favourite children's books would have to be the Follyfoot Farm ones by Monica Dickens. unfortunately i was a bit of a horse enthusiast in my earlier youth. also Haphazard House by Mary Wesley (i think). and arthur ransome, naturalmente. i spent a good portion of my 6th form 'study' periods reading children's books, because my soc. coursework was entitled 'children's literature reinforces traditional gender stereotypes' unluckily i couldn't be bothered to read any sociological literature on the topic, and instead handed in a too long essay, with a huge section on the significance of tomboys, which would have suited an english course better. and got hardly any marks for it. hey ho, i listened to IYFS for the first time in ages t'other day. it made me think of when i was 17ish, and i felt old. which frankly is very very stupid, because it was only a year ago. by movements, are we talking kind of genres? stuff like that. because i keep having discussions with friends about how there isn't really anything that defines this part of the nineties. and that it's all a bit fragmented currently. and that there are no groups that are really big and life changing right now. i think i decided that it was pre millenial cynicism, but then decided that was a bit pretentious and unthought it. there doesn't seem to be a lot of collectivism anymore, but as i wasn't around in the times when there was meant to be, i don't think i ought comment. i've had a very productive day, i've tidied my room, and actually polished some furniture. i only did this becuse i couldn't find the floor this morning. i knew it was getting dire when i found the old packed lunch. i've not eaten a packed lunch for a few months now...but now it's all very tidy. shut up alix.c.x "So don't approach me if you've no more to say than what you've been doing, or how much you paid for the beer in your hand. I really don't care and I might have to kill you, which wouldn't be fair. On me" - Prolapse 'Killing The Bland' +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: Dog on Wheels EP, St Etienne in NYC
by MileEndGrl＠aol.com 05 Dec '98

05 Dec '98

In a message dated 12/4/98 3:20:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, johnj(a)seahouses.u-net.com writes: << MileEndGrl(a)aol.com wrote: >So I have recently discovered that my Dog on Wheels EP has been stolen by a >friend. Can any other Sinisteroids spot the glaring error in this statement? >> Okay, I HATE PEOPLE who think they are superior and have to put down peoples mistakes!!! I'm sorry if I offended anyone by having a mistake. Get your head out of the superior clouds. It is reasons like this that you never meet cool people on lists because people have to bash every little detail, which then makes them scared to post. So calm down about mistakes, I highly doubt the band is going to come and beat me at my door. I'm very sorry to all the friendly people out there, but I have serious problems with people who think they are better than everyone because they know every damn detail about a band. Sorry for the rant, that just made me EXTREMELY MAD!!!! Cass +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: hold your horses!:)
by keith m 05 Dec '98

05 Dec '98

it has been said: << MileEndGrl(a)aol.com wrote: >So I have recently discovered that my Dog on Wheels EP has been stolen by a >friend. Can any other Sinisteroids spot the glaring error in this statement? >> >Okay, I HATE PEOPLE who think they are superior and have >to put down peoples >mistakes!!! I'm sorry if I offended anyone by having a >mistake. >Get your head out of the superior clouds. It is reasons >like this that you >never meet cool people on lists because people have to >bash every little >detail, which then makes them scared to post. So calm down >about mistakes, I >highly doubt the band is going to come and beat me at my >door. I'm very sorry >to all the friendly people out there, but I have serious >problems with people >who think they are better than everyone because they know >every damn detail >about a band. Sorry for the rant, that just made me >EXTREMELY MAD!!!! >Cass i think he was trying to point out that a "friend" as you said would never steal someone's copy of dog on wheels:) at least that was my impression from his note??? maybe i am just gullible? keith mcl +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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by Martin Horsfield 05 Dec '98

05 Dec '98

Hiya, Have to say, I agree with Chris in his assesment that B&S fans represent a meta-movement of sorts. Part of this band's charm is that while they would rather idle their time in cafes than talk to the music press, their fans know that they can direct any question they like to them via email. Apart from the Manics, I can't think of another band that has held themselves with the same dignity or preserved their ideals so completely. Compare them to major label 'indie' creations such as Electrasy, Placebo or Hurricane #1, who would sell their songs to anyone, present themselves to anyone, jump through hoops to appear on kids TV and you can't help but wonder why everyone doesn't run their artistic careers the same way. (My only slight qualm being that the Internet is somewhat more expensive than the NME or Selectadisc, at least in the UK). Roll on cable modems! In the words of, erm, Rush: "All this tchnology making modern music/you can still be open hearted/it's just a question of your honesty, yeah!" Anyone noticed that the divine Dot Allsion out of One Dove is supporting Saint Etienne at the Forum. I met her at a party in Clapham last year and she reckons she's trying to mine a country soul seam, with a cred dance sheen. Should be better than Alabama 3 at any rate. Martin Horsfield, succumbing to flu +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Not A Lot
by David Moore 05 Dec '98

05 Dec '98

Hi All, Chris (Lear) Leonard updated The Owl & The Pussy Cat: Murdoch and Isobel went to sea In a beautiful pea green boat, They took scrapings from Honey, I thought we'd finished the cheese thread? Someone (Spanish A..?) asked recently what Nick Drake to listen to. Try: River Man/Way To Blue/When The Day Is Done/Cello Song/Fruit Tree from 5 Leaves Left, Hazey Jane II/One Of These Things First/Fly/Northern Sky from Bryter Later, From The Morning from Pink Moon, or the Thoughts Of Mary Jane from Time Of No Reply. After listening to these you'll come to realise that he was a genius (or maybe that the team that produced the albums were touched by it) and shed a tear for the tragedy of another life cut short. Spanish-based PyJama Man (What was the crime, Peter? How are the extradition hearings going?) wrote: Has anyone answered the listees with children question yet? Off the top of my head, David Moore of Cheltenham UK not only has children, he even allows his daughter to have a boyfriend. dangerously liberal, I feel. I do have three offspring, but when the eldest is 20 its hard to think of them as children. More often than not, I think of them as my mates. I like the new Cinerama single, the third track of which is notable for including chunks of the theme from seventies TV adaptation of Essex boy Daniel Defoe's Robinson Crusoe, very stirring, and the complete Gedge lyrical oeuvre In A Nutsac: You can't get a phone call like that and not tell me You can't lie with him in our bed and not smell me Talking of nutsacs, is a sack of dick the equivalent of a bag of shite? Two nations separated by a common language indeed. Snowing outside, but no foxes, just my cat and some squirrels - I'd better look out for Elvis. In the CD: hopefully no more engineers, so that I can get it back again today! Love, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: dublin - two days after
by Sam Norman 05 Dec '98

05 Dec '98

thanks to everyone who made the meetup. i really enjoyed myself hopefully i will come back again (i'm still here so that seems quite strange) and/ or see you in London sometime. i'll be sending the photo to honey so it'll probably go on his site. I was really impressed with the amount of people who turned (even if they were'nt all on the list) up as i only had expected a couple to show up. cheers bye for now sam p.s. fibbers wasn't too bad, lots of smiths, i ended up going there again on friday, when basically it was a goth night. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Saturday P
by TFertig3＠aol.com 05 Dec '98

05 Dec '98

Hello list, I feel like I have not written in ages, but really it's been only about a week. You lot write in so much that even daily posts seem years apart. I was cleaning out some rubbish in my bedroom yesterday and I found a lovely poem though I don't know who it's by or even if it's complete. Soo.. it appears that the poetry parrot escaped from its cage and landed on my front door step, so I had no other choice. Oh I gotta come clean. I feel like I am committing a heinous crime by a.) claiming the poetry parrot landed on my shoulder when it really did not, and b.) posting a poem when it's nowhere near Monday. Only a few listees have done it before, and they are surely not respected for it.. After all it is a special honor to be selected. I risk the Honey Police Force being after me. Here's the top four crimes one can commit on the B&S list: 1. write in "unsubscribe sinister" 2. ask a question that's been scrutinized and torn apart and thrown up on in the past, and most importantly -- can be found in the archives, which I must say have utterly confused me 3. tell another listee that you think they're nothing but poo 4. claim the Poetry Parrot has landed on your shoulder when it really has not Here is the Poetree Parhot: The Stolen Child .... Away with us, he's going, the solemn-eyed; He'll hear no more the lowing Of the calves on the warm hill-side. Or the kettle on the hob Sing peace into his breast; Or see the brown mice bob Round and round the oatmeal chest. For he comes, the human child, To the woods and waters wild, With a fairy hand in hand, For the world's more full of weeping than he can understand. sighweepcoughsneeze. The Horse and His Boy is my favorite Narnia book. Bye bye, Tami +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: looking for a band?
by Wyplosz,C 05 Dec '98

05 Dec '98

Is there anyone who lives in London and would like to join a 'band' (actually, we are just ine guitarist and a drummer/bassist/guitarist). We are looking for the rest of a band (Bass, Guitar, Drums, Keybords, Cello, Violin etc...). Our "influences" are mostly Mogwai, Tortoise, Yo La Tengo and so on. If anyone is interested, please e-mail me privately. Clem +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Hefnerlump Rock Report
by PJMiller 05 Dec '98

05 Dec '98

No major misfortunes befell me, so I was indeed introduced to the not quite as delicate as I expected Hefner live experience. They were really good, I'd give them 9 out of 10. The singer/guitarists looks a bit like Austin Powers, acted the goat a lot and treated us to very funny little bits of nonsense between songs. I laughed quite a lot, which is unusual because I'm a miserable bastard really. He's a very expressive young man who waves his arms about a lot. They're not much like B&S really, the only commonn ground I could see was a certain bookish slant in the lyrics and quiet bits every so often. I expected them to be shit, so it was a pleasant surprise, so much better than grim old Mark Lanegan and his superstar chums the other week IMHO. They do indeed have a song about Lee Remick and lots of songs about sex, which comes as quite a surprise because I doubt anyone would touch Austin Powers with a ten foot barge pole. Oh, and another B&S connection: the bass player (who looks exactly like Brad in my imagination) was wearing sensible smart grey school trousers, like Stuart Murdoch's got. Afterwrds I was goading into talking to Austin Powers (whose code name is Darren) for the express purpose of reporting back to you lot. Here's a condensed log of the conversation: Bobby C: Excuse me, do you know Stuart Murdoch out of Belle and Sebastian? Austin Powers: Er..yes I do actually Bobby C: Oh, the reason I ask is because I'm on the Belle and Sebastian e-mail list and people there talk about you quite a lot, you're quite popular there. Austin Powers: Oh really? Someone told me there was someting in America where you had to give marks out of ten for how much we sound like Belle and Sebastian, like five out of ten or seven out of ten, we sound nothing like Belle and Sebastian, do you think we sound like Belle and Sebastian? Bobby C: No, not at all (crawly bumlick bit) and so on and so on, heading into off-topic territory until: Austin Powers: (effusively waving arms about like Magnus Pike) Lazy Line Painter Jane is the best single of the nineties! Bobby C's mouth opens and closes but no sound comes out Anyway, it's great to have showbiz chums who look like Austin Powers, and he was a nice chap and all, but I did get the impression that I was just the latest in a long line of stalker freaks who talk to him when he's on tour, so in a way I wish I hadn't bothered, but it was all in the name of spouting crap on the list, so I guess it was worth it. I don't think he really understood the concept of a mailing list, the lucky bugger. As for the other groups, Cuba were absolute total and utter guff, a kind of Jesus Jones for the 21st Century, only without the charm, subtelty and nuance that so typified that groundbreaking fusion of rock and dance sensibilities. Quite frankly, Cuba are a disgrace to their name, totally unlike the fantastic tropical island where people sniff their armpits and have a wank at the same time. Jack were pretty funny, they R!O!C!K! but not as much as they seem to think. The guitarist is a proper mod, and good fun to watch, the bass player looks like Bobby Chariot crossed with the curly one from Blondie and I suspect that the singer is a big fan of our own Lawrence from Felt (and Denim if you insist, Peter), he had the same juvenile and foppish haircut and the posing git had a bottle of whisky in the pocket of his leather coat. They were quite INTENSE but it all seemed like a big act to me, whereas Hefner had been quite relaxed and natural. That is all for now, I shall revert to off-topic gibbering soon. Bobby Chariot +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Tweeness, Milleniumness, Bookness, Modern Rockness, etc.ness
by Mick McMick 05 Dec '98

05 Dec '98

Hmmmm... It's odd that so many authors discussed on this list lately are ones I've actually read! Previous book threads were too far removed from my fanatical fantasy tastes. Yes to C.S. Lewis, yes to J.R.R. Tolkien, yes to Susan Cooper, yes to Lloyd Alexander, yes to Ursula K. Leguin (though I can't remember a stitch of A Wrinkle in Time for the life of me) and especially yes to Frank Herbert. Right now, I'm reading his Children of Dune, and I've been moved to take a quote from it, potentially to replace my eloquent Mr. Friendly qutoe. And I quoth: "You are a child seeking to be a man. When you are a man, you will seek in vain for the child you were." - Paul Atreides. Whaddya think? Quoteworthy? Anyway, about C.S. Lewis, I have a friend that I've known since elementary school. I began reading The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe back then, and my friend took it upon himself to read it as well. My friend then began to attempt to read through the series faster than I did, and bragged about it every chance he got. I tried to keep up, but oh this boy just must have done nothing but read! I ended up quitting somewhere into A Horse and His Boy, and haven't picked it back up since. I've quite taken to reading lately, though, having not done much of it in the past 4 or 5 years, and having it once been such an integral part of my life. I found a lovely kitty bookmark the other day, and at work when there's nothing to do I just sit around with my nose in my book (figuratively, of course) playing with my kitty bookmark in my off hand. Okay, next topic... The indiepop-list-loving, goodbye-message-despising Ben Kim writes: > I can't remember who wrote it...Robert? Someone found a lot of > records in a store including the Pastels, House of Love and Felt...and > proceeded to call all of them 'twee.' If I may say so, I disagree with > that assessment. I think that Felt are one of the most un-twee bands > *ever* to be embraced by the indiepopnoscenti Well, I think I learned the hard way that nit-picking about what is this and what is that is just silly. Twee can mean to you something very different from what it means to me. Felt at their jangliest sound a lot like what I think of when I think twee. Of course, not all their songs do sound like that, but neither do all of the Field Mice's. Thank goodness for a little variety now and then. So lets not jump on a new subscriber for thinking to call Felt twee. and John Warrender writes: > The lovely Anne from Glasgow sent me the URL for a top pop > web site called "Ready Steady Go" which has lots of nice pieces > about many wonderful bands including the truly magical > "Sagittarius" and "Millennium". These were the brain childs of pop > genius Curt Boettcher with the multi-talented Gary Usher lending > a helping hand. If you haven't got any Sagittarius or Millennium > records and you love "Pet Sounds" then I'd have a quick read of > the Curt Boettcher article then swiftly make your way to CDNow > who have reissues of "Present Tense" and "Begin", both of which > are absolutely sumptuous and a snip at whatever price they're > selling at. The site's well worth a visit and can be found at: Ah, I love the Millenium, and it's nice to hear someone mention them, though I was surprised it was John, there. I must whole-heartedly agree, the Millenium are wondrous and magical, though they harp a bit too much on the "transcendant" bit sometimes. I put a song of theirs on my tape tree tape, wherever it may be. I really need to check out Sagittarius, but I should also check out Ballroom. A friend was telling me about them after the 1st NYC B&S show. Apparently it's the band Curt Boettcher was in before the Millenium, and some of the Millenium's songs were originally performed by Ballroom. Supposedly some of their material was released by Creation's re-issue arm, Rev-ola. Somehow I think I misspelled that. Oh well. So, someone was saying they got the new EP in a shop today, how is it? I'm dying to know... Eh, well I'd talk more, but I have to wake up at 6:45 for a 13-hour work day with a whopping three 15-minute breaks. Oh hold me back... /"\_/"\_/"\ Mick McMick - bp224995(a)ohiou.edu - ICQ#5056758 \ / Sandcastle Records - (same e-mail for now) | | Sandcastle Homepage - | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/4972/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | - Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". 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