December 1998 - Sinister

Sinister: Grammar (yawn) and tigermilk rerelease
by Mark Iles 03 Dec '98

03 Dec '98

>>and one last thing, amelia has remembered roughly how to do the 'she and me' >>thing; >>"Did Sarah have dinner with Jeffrey that night, or was it she and me?" >> >>"I think you need to set up the sentence with a clear subject and object and >>then substitute in the she and me for these in a second clause." > >Nope, this doesn't work; it should be "...or was it she and I?". The trick >here is to reverse the order of the fragments, making it "It was she and >I," which is correct. Sorry to keep this grammar thread going, but I'd say that's still wrong. I think it should be "...or was it her and me?" Because , if you take out the "she" you get "... or was it me?" which makes sense whether or not you reverse the order of the sentence. "... or was it I?" sounds silly. Then again in that "Who Killed Cock Robin" poem thing, you have the line "It was I, said the sparrow". But I reckon that's probably wrong, too. On a more Belle and Sebastian-related note, I was wondering about the rerelease of Tigermilk. When it comes out next year (because I'm convinced it will) there's bound to be a vinyl version available. But does anyone know whether this will be identical to the original release? I'm guessing it'll be at least slightly different (even if the cover picture is the same) because it'll have Jeepster's name on it for one. Which means that the original will still stay pretty expensive, no? Probably not as ludicrously expensive as it has been recently, but it'll still be the one which all of the "collecters" will want to get hold of. It's a shame really, because I think it would be dead funny if the new release looked identical to the original so that all those copies that had sold for 200 quid and more would suddenly be reduced in worth to about a tenner. Anyone who'd bought the record because they were desperate to hear it and were devoted fans would still have their money's worth since they'll have had it a while by now and knowing that it's the original it will have sentimental value, whereas it would be one in the eye for all those who were buying it as some kind of 'investment'. If only, eh... What does anyone else think. Mark ___________________________________________________________________________ Mark Iles, Tel: +44 (0113) 2065042 Imperial Cancer Research Fund, Fax: +44 (0113) 2340183 Genetic Epidemiology Laboratory, Ashley Wing, Email: iles(a)boreas.leeds.icnet.uk St James's University Hospital, Beckett Street, Leeds, LS9 7TF U.K. ____________________________________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Last chrismas I game you my heart (but the very next day you took it to the record and tape exchange)
by WeeJay 03 Dec '98

03 Dec '98

I havent posted anything for ages as you'll all have noticed (of course!) but tuesday-thursday is busy,busy,busy around here... Anyway, i'd like to appologise, especially to Lesley Jo for my innapropriate slurs. I'm sorry, I was trying to be Brad (nice Wizard of Oz thing, BTW) and it's just not me, so *hug* that's better isn't it. Now dry your tears and go back to the sandpit and play nicely. Narnia? That's my childhood, well a bit of it... My favorite was always The Horse And His Boy. I have some instructions for you people: (1) Click here: http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/wjpages.html (2) Click here and vote for me, as you're so impresed by (1): http://listcrush.future.easyspace.com/ Oh, I have to go, really, but I'll be back with something long and interesting (no smut intended, I am entirely innocent now, in fact my new name is TWeeJay) for now though, you can make do with a list of some FACTS!!!! 1. The average reading age of the UK population is 9. 2. Mariah Carey and Celine Dion are the two-headed gestalt anti- isobel 3. Americans new to this list start saying 'wee', 'pish' and 'natch' within 2 weeks. 4. Number three is strangely cute. 5. If the rattyboy three doors from me plays 'Music Sounds Better With You' at full volume once more I will snap and be unresponsible for my actions 6. Sophie Aldred isn't on the list, you know... 7. People should go and vote on the list crush for a lurking 'Englishman in Tokyo' androgenous person with sixties footwear. You know it makes sense. (T)WeeJay XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX James(a)twopounds.u-net.com "I know there's a lot of bass players in the audience tonight, I know living amongst the constructions that the people in power have built doesn't feel so right" mAKE UP - "We Can't Be Contained" http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/cabaret/5523/ (Which will no longer crash your computer. Hopefully.) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: fabbo kid's lit for adults
by laurel.girvan＠hholt.com 03 Dec '98

03 Dec '98

i've been keeping mum about children's books for fear of being hastily labled a cardigan-wearing-page-protecting-twee fanatic, but with all this c.s lewis, susan cooper and whatnot going around, i'm bursting like a frosted persimmon. for the hapless soul who asked if there was anything good for children still being published, OF COURSE THERE IS! for a list of suggestions the length of _mason & dixon_, mail me privately. for those dabbling in lewis, there was that film about his marriage late in life to a young american woman. it's very good but bring your tissues. it's based on his book _surprised by joy_. oh, and the film is called SHADOWLANDS. also, don't be afraid of the christian imagery in the narnia stuff. it IS possible to read them and not be horribly corrupted by the abhorrent institution known as the Church. besides, they're jewels of tale-spinning. i cannot recommend susan cooper's _dark is rising_ series highly enough. JJ was right -- start with _over sea, under stone_ and carry on from there. funnily enough, lewis, tolkein, and possibly george macdonald (another tops kiddies author -- try _the princess and the goblins_) were involved with a group of writers and scholars who called themselves "the inklings" and who met at the eagle and child pub in...umm oxford, i think. it's supposed to have a crazy classical mural on one wall, depicting zeus as an eagle carrying off a young boy for his own polytheistic purposes. or maybe just to take him to the movies and sit in the back. watch while i take a page from fluffy's book: I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!! --laurel +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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SV: Sinister: Grammar (yawn) and tigermilk rerelease
by Katarina Karlsson 03 Dec '98

03 Dec '98

Dear Mark It is allways nice to hear the cryes frome peoples, who "knows" that the only beauty in this world is mony and more mony,when they finds out that they have lost money. Doesn't everyone love this, your idea was great but will probebly not be reality in this world. Katta > On a more Belle and Sebastian-related note, I was wondering about the > rerelease of Tigermilk. When it comes out next year (because I'm convinced > it will) there's bound to be a vinyl version available. But does anyone > know whether this will be identical to the original release? I'm guessing > it'll be at least slightly different (even if the cover picture is the > same) because it'll have Jeepster's name on it for one. Which means that > the original will still stay pretty expensive, no? Probably not as > ludicrously expensive as it has been recently, but it'll still be the one > which all of the "collecters" will want to get hold of. It's a shame > really, because I think it would be dead funny if the new release looked > identical to the original so that all those copies that had sold for 200 > quid and more would suddenly be reduced in worth to about a tenner. Anyone > who'd bought the record because they were desperate to hear it and were > devoted fans would still have their money's worth since they'll have had it > a while by now and knowing that it's the original it will have sentimental > value, whereas it would be one in the eye for all those who were buying it > as some kind of 'investment'. If only, eh... > > What does anyone else think. > > > Mark +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re: Murdoch Goes Punk
by Chris Leonard 03 Dec '98

03 Dec '98

Good Afternoon, my you lot are quiet today. I'm a bit concerned to hear about Murdoch's hair, perhaps it wasn't Struan at all but, the evil punk Murdoch clone. He goes about slamming doors on old ladies and reading out rude bits from the book of Leviticus in church. "Can you help me with my shopping, young man?" an innocent cripple asks him. "No" replies the evil punk Murdoch. Then he kicks the cripple with his 48 hole doc martins. Anarchy! We should be worried. Maybe he'll buy a green bomber jacket to, and start his evil chant "I'm with Enoch". No sorry, that's the evil National Front Murdoch clone. Christ. Sarah Wheeler, I hope your keeping an eye on him. Maybe Carmen's influence has seeped it's way through to Belle and Sebastian HQ. Or maybe Struan was sick of people saying he was ginger when he's not, and he's on a major strop. There's a new cafe on Byres road in Glasgow. It's all orange, and it's got a huge Belle and Sebastian poster on the back wall. Maybe Struan has dyed his hair orange so that he can wear an orange boiler suit - when he goes into the cafe nobody will be able to see any of him apart from his face, which will appear to just float about. Yeah, that's what it'll be. Panic's over. I noticed the Looper's treehouse is looking quite smart - you can do your own looper tune and there's oh new stuff everywhere. Check it check it out. I mixed my own looper tune, but since I don't have a sound card I couldn't hear it. But I did make up a story about the lunar rainbow picture I saw in the Tate gallery on Sunday, pretending I was struan david. It's got flashing red lights! Groovy. I reckon the looper is getting quite flashy with this web programming malarkey, have you had a hand in this Mr. Kitchen? That is all, Christopher A. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Pedantry
by Sarah Wheeler 03 Dec '98

03 Dec '98

Chrissy wrote: >Sarah Wheeler, I hope your keeping an eye on him. I really have been trying. I pitched my one man tent in Struan's stairwell, but it seems the dirty stop-out hasn't been home yet. It's only been 10 days though...maybe he's visiting mommy. And all the apples I had for him have turned a bit mushy.... It's interesting that someone saw the aforementioned with his new red hair-do 'cos a bloke looking not unlike Russ Abbott's 'See you Jimmy' entered the flat, humming 'Atmosphere'. (Oh, and Chris, 'your' has an apostrophe and an 'e' at the end). Pedantically yours Sarah x ======================= Sarah Wheeler Room 106 West Medical Building University of Glasgow GLASGOW G12 8QQ 0141-339 8855 ext.2860 ======================= +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I can't escape the threat of hell
by matthew_kelly_at_hscb-b7＠netmail.hscbklyn.edu 03 Dec '98

03 Dec '98

Sorry, but I have to say something about the whole grammar thing. To be (is) is a transitive verb and therfore takes a predicate nominative, I, as opposed to a direct object, me. In addition it is an implied ellpitical phrase as in ... or was it she and I (who went to dinner). I'm sure people are groaning about this and rightfully, but Iwent to catholic school and grammar was beaten into me so I had to repsond or I will go to hell. I DON'T want to go to hell. You've heard about it; it's a terrible place. OK never again and sorry to Mark for getting this 2x. Matt +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: THe morning after
by Martin Horsfield 03 Dec '98

03 Dec '98

Dear all, Thanks for the hug, Gary. Actually my gig going expeirences this week were quite revelatory - it was my gig playing experiences I'd rather forget. I fucked up the bassline to one of our songs so royally last night that I could see Sara from Girlfrendo wincing. When a band that plays as badly as them notices a couple of little mistakes, you know you've got problems. Spent the evening drowning my sorrows downstairs in the Hope & Anchor, hearing news of Pete Wylie's lastest woes, which didn't exactly lighten the mood. I woke up in Turnpike Lane on the drummer's settee, absolutely minging, and had to be in Docklands for 9.30. Only shop to get some new socks in is bastard Gap! It's only midday now, but the whole day's a fucking rollercoaster ride. We're doing another bloody gig tonight! (Aplogies for non-twee language) As for list business, my non-staus here was confirmed when the (ridiculously elitist) idea of an A-list came up. My nicknames remark was credited to 'Fisky' and not 'Martin Horsfield'. I've never had a nickname, and don't particularly want to start now (though 'Matinee Mart' would do, as at least you'd then associate me with my foppish indie band). As for the person asking for the source of Murdoch's fondness for CS Lewis. I believe he referred to it in an interview ;n 'Bigwig' magazine, which I posted to the list last month. If anyone wants a photocopy, or just to see the text, email me personally (preferably at mart(a)subcult.demon.co.uk) It's the high moral tone of Lewis' work which makes critics suspicious of him, it seems (though Lewis Carroll never got such a bad rap for taking creepy pictures of his nieces). As for Clinton Hill, are there any other second division footballers who share their names with parts of the US? I think we should be told. Lastly: 1) Anyone who likes Cornelius/Beck/Bjork?/Salad/Pizzicato Five should attempt to see a band called Femini Flyers, who are over in Britain for a few weeks. I only saw two of their songs, and I don't really connect with that sort of music, but all present last night said that they were amazing. 2) Anyone who can't get in to see Grand Drive at the Garage tonight, please come down and introduce yourselves to Matinee. We're playing at the Acoustic Cafe, quite early, 9-ish. I can't vouch for the calibre of the other bands as the whole thing's been organised absolutely shambolically (Ta Carl). Email me at the hotmail address for a flyer. 3) As for albums of the year. no wonder IYFS was criminally ignored in 1997's polls - it came out in 1996, didn't it! The best album of 1998 is Kingsize by The Boo Radleys, closely followed by Deserters Songs, Ray Of Light, Breaking God's Heart, TBWTAS, Celebrity Skin, Overcome By Happiness by The Pernice Brothers, The Essential Terry Callier, Flying High by Gene Clarke, Good Humor by Saint Etienne, Kylie Minogue, Good Morning Spider by Sparklehorse, the not-bad-really Gomez album, Pelaton by the Delgados, the best of James, Courtney's live Belle & Sebastian tapes, The Good Will Out, The Masterplan, the Cornelius album, Spiritualised live at the Royal Albert Hall, Bob Dylan live at the etc..., Portishead's NYC live (this is the first year in living memory when three live albums have been released that are completely essential), Morcheeba's Big Calm and Ben Lee's Something To Remember Me By. Bet I've forgotten some too. Oh well, this post took an hour and now I'm off to lunch! You can't beat wasting office time. I think I'll have loads of water so I need to pe ______________________________________________________ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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by aaron tieger 03 Dec '98

03 Dec '98

Was anybody else on the list at the Magic 12/Thalia Zedek gig at the Middle East Upstairs last night? If you want to hear a great band, Magic 12 is for you. They're sort of llike a lighter version of tindersticks and cowboy junkies put together. Boy guitarist, boy singer, girl drummer, girl keyboardist/singer (my coworker Beth, actually, who finally displayed to me what "arms of sex" is all about. Too bad for me she's a dyke). They have a s/t CD just out on Dahlia. Check it out! The only bummer was that I found out that the girl I see at every show, and have been nursing a crush on for almost a year, is a lesbian as well. It figures. On a different, equally-irrelvant note, can anyone verify what my roommate told me: that Tindersticks have indeed split up? aaron === atieger(a)rocketmail.com auger/anvil Give me the sense to wonder... _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail, free e-mail for the planet. * Visit & explore Cybersmith at http://www.cybersmith.com * Get your web-based e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Malkmus/Berman . . . no bs
by Sebastian 03 Dec '98

03 Dec '98

Yeah, i spoke with the writer of the article...by St. Malkmus 'other' band he meant, 'other' as in 'other,' not 'other' as in 'secondary' or something like that... not that i questioned him, but he was VERY AWARE that, if anything, Pavement was a 'side project' but mentioned his 'readership' (the school) would not care for such details, especially considering (and i can vouch for this one) about 95% of this school probably knows not even who Mr. Malkmus or Pavement are... "drowning for you thirst..." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". For list archives and searching, list rules, FAQ, poor jokes etc, see http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +---+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" +---+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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