November 1999 - Sinister

Sinister: a hearty recommendation of absinthe
by The Narrow Wizard 16 Nov '99

16 Nov '99

someone mentioned absinthe...i heartily recommend it to you all cos i once had an incredibly stupid night drinking it for free in a manchester nightclub while listening to some DJ play 70's new york disco. needless to say after too much of the marvelous green drink things stopped making sense...we found ourselves on a bus chanting there's only 2 peter stringfellows at a bloke who looked just like a certain nightclub owner..I think he was pleased by this. anyway drink absinthe its good. another bit of advice if you're ever at the premier of a new musical and a channel 4 TV camera aproaches you and asks for an opinion do not do what I did. I told them that the music was good and that the songs were ok but that the dialogue could have been written by a monkey and that though we were enjoying it we wern't enjoying it in the way it was intended. how was I to know that the guy standing next to me was the writer? the guy with the camera seemed quite pleased with the comment though! had a b&s dream the other night, i dreamt that my dog chewed up my original copy of tigermilk and then i cried. when i woke up though i felt stupid cos i should have realised it was a dream, my dog died a few months ago and i havent got one of those lovely original pressings of tigermilk. was also worried to find that i featured in jasons dream wearing a pointy hat but i suppose my presence would explain the playing of dylan on the TWATTYBUS. remember:absinthe;be nice to musical writers;dream of belle and sebastian. bye my lovely plum puddings owen 'not dangerous anymore' lowery With that the narrow wizard waggled his bushy eyebrows and disappeared in a flash of blue flame leaving behind only a faint smell of cinnamon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: judging a man by his cd collection
by Eric Ireland 16 Nov '99

16 Nov '99

hi, www.suck.com wrote a thing on judging a man by his record collection. this is what they had to say about belle and sebastian.. "Belle & Sebastian The Boy with the Arab Strap Although the prospect of motherhood may appeal to you, you would probably prefer that your child be an infant and not a grown man who acts like one. Should you discover this CD in his collection, you'd be well advised to keep all your maternal instincts in check; otherwise you'll be spending the night coddling, mollifying, and sympathizing instead of cuddling, making out, and screwing. After a few seemingly endless hours of his incessant whining and irrational ranting, you'll wonder whether you shouldn't be charging him $75 an hour for any future dates. If it turns out that he's a professional music critic (and if he owns this CD he almost certainly is), odds are that he's a bed-wetter and probably allergic to sex. " oh dear! now, if only i could learn to hold off that incessant whining.. eric. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: Appliance and Fly Pan Am
by danielle redden 16 Nov '99

16 Nov '99

the smashing mark niciu wrote: >P.S. Does anyone else find it disconcerting >that people actually have dreams >involving Belle and Sebastian, or more >disturbing that people remember this >dreams vividly and report them as if they >happened in reality? No malice >against anyone who dreams of Belle and >Sebastian or any other musical act >for that matter, but I just think that it is >weird given that most of us >have never met the chaps and only seen a few >scattered pictures pasted >across the internet. to tell you the truth i did feel like a big dork the other day when i woke up with full memory of a dream about struan. why couldnt i have dreams about flying and kissing exotic women like everyone else? however, when between i was between the ages of eleven and thirteen i had vivid dreams every night that i was a fucking kennedy (part of the whole jack and bobbie and jackie and john-john clan). it became so haunting that at one thanksgiving dinner after a full and brilliant night of such dreams i asked my grandmother "gran, is there any way that we are related to the kenedys?" and my whole family stopped eating, mouths full of mashed potatoes and turkey, turning to stare at this strange girl. my gran replied, in all out gran style, "do you really think i'd be living in a rowhouse in north philly is we were related to the damn kennedys?!" and that was that. after those years i think i can handle the dreams of straun-straun. love danielle Whaat!!! Have you tried The Doghouse??! Get your FREE WEB-BASED EMAIL account at: http://doghousemail.lycos.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: cool...schmool...who cares!
by RPushong＠aol.com 16 Nov '99

16 Nov '99

morning kids... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ to be cool or not to be cool ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ being someone that has struggled with this dilemma for as long as i care to remember ...i give up ...i don't care... you know that feeling when you hear something and it makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up...thats what happens when i hear something i like ...thats all i go by...& its a pretty good system. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ b & s moment ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ well for me it was the opening bars to slow graffiti ...at the bowlie weekender ...i can't explain it ...but it was so beautiful ...and gentle ... i was almost overcome with emotion. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ nalda said ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i kind of enjoyed it ...but what made me laugh is franks complicated betting system because i have a small bet every saturday on the weekend soccer matches ... & this week i won! ...people who know me will know that this is a very big deal because i never win ... i always come close... but i never win ...i never bet big this week it was �3 ...but i won over �350 ... during last years world cup ...i bet �10 on the brazil & france final ...i predicted the first goalscorer Zidane ...& a 2 - 0 score in france's favour ...i would have won �4000 i was a few minutes from winning until france scored again to make it 3 - 0 ...that is how close i get...& do you know what i half expected to lose ...thats what makes winning special + coming out of the bookies with an "arthur daley" wedge of cash. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ random moment of genius ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ i've just rediscovered " flying saucer attacks" cover version of suede's "the drowners" ...it beats the pants of the suede original ...genius. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ isn't there a band called cunting crows? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ or am i thinking of inspiral cuntings...and their former basin headed keyboardist cunt boon ...(sorry if there are any clint boon fans here but i despise him) ...he once threatened to take me to court for daring to make i.c live tapes available to their fans, ( both of them) ...so i put a curse on him ...& it seems to be working. so watch it kids ...i make a good friend ...but a dangerous enemy! all this gratituous swearing has made me feel dizzy...& i'd better go wash my mouth out with soap... ta ra ... richard. x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Adam's Curse
by Youn J. Noh 16 Nov '99

16 Nov '99

This is what Kevin Parker wrote a few days ago: Anyway i gave her a call and she told me she had "Big News" and she told me all about her first boyfriend who is a Downs boy called Jamie and how happy she was well her vocabulary is a little limited so my mother helped her out. Anyway I have always wanted her to have as normal, whatever the fuck that is, life as possible and so i had this double realisation that she may go through all the things that make the rest of us who we are and that she is growing up etc. Anyway so all this was pretty moving and i was on the train going back to my apartment with rather moist eyes because i was so happy for her, but also I was a little bit upset because I am no longer the most important male in her life, which is a good thing but a little difficult to deal with at first, and i put my walkman on and i had forgotten what i was listening to before and it was " TIGERMILK" well to be specific " I Dont love anyone " and there was that line about " except maybe my sister...maybe my baby brother too" and I thought what a self involved twat I am sometimes thinking about the mess I make of relationships and that love doesnt exist its a "finely tuned jealousy" or whatever, sometimes a little naivity really does help put things in perspective. Um, Kevin if you happen to read this, I hope I'm not embarrassing you by writing this, but this is the sort of thing that makes people beautiful. This makes me believe that love exists. It's too bad that everything isn't beautiful at once, or we can't see it that way, but that's where the poem "Adam's Curse" fits in. I'm glad that Nick Dastoor upholds romance, but when he says things like this: There was once a terrific song by a band called Airhead went 'Funny how the girls you fall in love with never fancy you / funny how the ones you don't do'. It predated the crap-breezy-indie-rock craze by several years. Thinking about it, Airhead are a perfect example of the artless product of a people who aren't artists. And that's why we can all relate to it so well. Cuz you know it *is* funny how the girls you fall in love with never fancy you. And you know what's SO IRONIC - how the ones you don't DO. Sheesh! I'm not so sure I believe him because isn't this a milder version of what he questioned Owen about? Doesn't it become a fiendish power struggle because we think this way? Isn't what Nick writes the precursor of questions like "Who likes who more?" within relationships? Did sheep come up because we are blinded by our love for Belle & Sebastian? One thing that disturbs me a bit is the new tone that Stuart Murdoch takes in his writing. Disturbs is too strong. But if he wrote the sleeve notes for "Tigermilk", the way he writes, the person he is, has changed. Both sides still come up. The end of his bit on the Belle & Sebastian page was the older him, but why did he spend so much time describing Mr. Funai? Was it in recognition of the fact that he himself had grown older and that his behavior had become more commonplace? Or had his view of the world grown larger to incorporate characters like Mr. Funai as worth writing about in their own right? And in his latest piece for the Glasgow University Guardian, there was the part with cool narration - Jack Daniels and Foxy, and then phrases like "the frisson of pre-match joy". But why go so far to the other extreme as "cunting"? I hope the excesses in that direction are just a phase, like having to reject Nick Drake's work on account of all the comparisons. Yesterday morning I watched "Jules and Jim" again cos no one else was up yet and one of my housemates had checked it out from the library. It would be dangerous for a girl or woman to imagine herself as Catherine. The sort of thing recounted in "Minor Character", a Lloyd Cole & the Commotions song on "Easy Pieces". I used to be guilty of this, but my aspirations only went so far as the be the woman in "Minor Character". Jules actually upstages her. He's noble. There's a scene where Catherine reaches over Jules when they are in bed to answer the phone. There's a scene in "Scenes from a Marriage" where the wife reaches over the husband (I forget the characters' names) to turn off the alarm clock. These are the scenes of intimacy I love. In the beginning of "L'amour l'apres-midi" (a film by Rohmer), the husband is sitting on the sofa cutting the pages of a book, and he remarks on the pleasure of reading in the presence of his wife. Each person being able to do their own thing but secure in the presence of the other. And the song "Kooks" by David Bowie. I love any song that mentions dropping out of school or throwing homework on the fire. Stuart David's songs may seem naive, but in a way they are not. I discovered this poem from a record that my high school English teacher had of a college professor of his reading poetry. He went to a Calvinist college, so the professor read with the intonation of a minister. The poem is by Yeats. "Adam's Curse" We sat together at one summer's end, That beautiful mild woman, your close friend, And you and I, and talked of poetry. I said, "A line will take us hours maybe; Yet if it does not seem a moment's thought, Our stitching and unstitching has been naught. Better go down upon your marrow-bones And scrub a kitchen pavement, or break stones Like an old pauper, in all kinds of weather; For to articulate sweet sounds together Is to work harder than all these, and yet Be thought an idler by the noisy set Of bankers, schoolmasters, and clergymen The martyrs call the world." And thereupon That beautiful mild woman for whose sake There's many a one shall find out all heartache On finding that her voice is sweet and low Replied, "To be born woman is to know - Although they do not talk of it at school - That we must labor to be beautiful." I said, "It's certain there is no find thing Since Adam's fall but needs much laboring. There have been lovers who thought love should be So much compounded of high courtesy That they would sigh and quote with learned looks Precedents out of beautiful old books; Yet now it seems an idle trade enough." We sat grown quiet at the name of love; We saw the last embers of daylight die, And in the trembling blue-green of the sky A moon, worn as if it had been a shell Washed by time's waters as they rose and fell About the stars and broke in days and years. I had a thought for no one's but your ears: That you were beautiful, and that I strove To love you in the old high way of love; That it had all seemed happy, and yet we'd grown As weary-hearted as that hollow moon. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". 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Sinister: Laura Llew, Your Review site's gone *@!# /AKA Absence through Absinthe/AKA My drunken work-out
by CHRIS LEAK 16 Nov '99

16 Nov '99

Morning (wretch, wretch and spew) Tried to send the following to the review site to no avail (wretch, wretch and spew). So I thought I'd post here instead, hope that's OK? (wretch, wretch and.. mmm.. that did it). (P.S. Chris_t_opher: As far as Spaceman 3 goes, try Taking Drugs to Make Music to Take Drugs to and Spiritualized: Lazer Guided Melodies, Ladies & Gentleman we are Floating in Space and Live at the Albert Hall). For no real reason other than to be the first to paint my little tootsies all over this virginal and snow white site, I submit this vague, vague, vague review. This vagueness is the result of experimenting with a potent spirit called Absinthe (120%), yesterday eve. It would be more appropriate to call it absent cause thats how Im gonna be today. Anyway, it seemed a good idea at the time. Enough of my meandering, it also seems a shame to waste a site with such a lot of potential so here goes: - I just thought Id write to recommend Oobermans debut album; The Magic Treehouse cause I truly believe most B&S fans would take a shine to it. The whole album is pretty top-tastic but there are a handful of stand out tracks including the Nick Drakeish Amazing in Bed, the gorgeous Shorley Wall and best of all the heart cloakingly beautiful Roll me in Cotton; try not shivering when he sings Just hold me cinematic style. The lyrical content of the album is delivered via a female and male coupling that compliment each other like salt and pepper (note: must remember to attend that creative writing course). The arrangements are fantastically intricate, sharp and just jolly well clever. Anyway with that snippet of a recommendation I bid you farewell with Absinthe induced symptoms of a bowel which can only be politely described as overactive and innards that feel like Sigourney Weaver would eye them with more than a passing suspicion. Leaky (wretch, wretch and a projectile vommited lung oyster) ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Appliance and Fly Pan Am
by Mark Niciu 16 Nov '99

16 Nov '99

Dear Sinister legions, Does anyone have any information on a band with the moniker "Appliance"? I saw a video of theirs (for "Pacificon") on MTV's 120 Minutes this week in the U.S. and was quite impressed. Their sound is very reminiscent of the early Verve alla "A Storm in Heaven". In addition, CD-Now (http://www.cdnow.com) was reticent when queried for information on these lads. All I can safely ascertain is that they released their debut LP in mid-October and have an import single available for Amerks to purchse. For all that I know, "Appliance" may not even be from the U.K. Second, has anyone heard Fly Pan Am's new LP? Is it worth the investment? They were billed by Other Music in NYC as a "Godspeed You Black Emperor! side project". I don't think that this is entirely true, albeit they are a quartet from Montreal who play instrumental music like GYBE!. At least that's what I garner from GYBE!'s web site (http://www.southern.com/southern/band/GDSPD) Finally, anyone with any information on the above topics for an ignorant bloke like myself, please respond off the list to markniciu(a)hotmail.com ~M P.S. Does anyone else find it disconcerting that people actually have dreams involving Belle and Sebastian, or more disturbing that people remember this dreams vividly and report them as if they happened in reality? No malice against anyone who dreams of Belle and Sebastian or any other musical act for that matter, but I just think that it is weird given that most of us have never met the chaps and only seen a few scattered pictures pasted across the internet. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: My first Sinister dream!!!
by Jason Andreas 16 Nov '99

16 Nov '99

Hi all. Well, it finally happened, my first B&S/Sinister dream. Here's the plot - I was leaving college on an unspecified day, and waiting for the X3 home, when a huge lime green bus with SINISTER TWATTYBUS written on the side pulled up and told me to get on. Stuart David was the driver, and wee Karn was the Conductor. Isobel was sitting across from me and Alasdair and Ailsa were talking loudly about football. Heather and Jamie were getting up to *things* and Owen was wearing a pointy hat and chanting about Englerland!!! Then my friend's sister walked across the road in front of the bus and I woke in a cold sweat. Weird, seriously weird. Strangest thing of all was the fact that it wasn't B&S, but Bob Dylan playing over the bus's radio. EEEEEK! I like Dylan, but I don't really want to dream about it :) --Jason "May all your dreams but one come true." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Spacemen 3 etc.
by Chris_t_opher 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

Hi there [This sounds a bit formal, doesnt it?] I need some (or possibly a lot) of help to get a clear picture of what has happened to the members of Spacemen 3 (formed in '83) and who else is connected, if you'd be so kind. I would like any descriptions of the following bands and any recommendations (albums, singles, Eps) that might be locked away in your heads: Spacemen 3 (I've only just worked out that "walkin with Jesus" ISNT a REAL gospel song, btw) Spiritualized Slipstream Spectrum Sonic Boom E.A.R. and any other bands that are directly or indirectly related to any of these. Thank you, you bored people. Chris_t_opher Ps. If theres anyone out there who was on my ICQ list, pweez send a message again, cos ive misplaced you all. SORRY. (ICQ #44383377) And........rest. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Looper interview
by Sam Norman 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

Just found this somewhere on the web can't remember exactly where though. Indie popsters Belle & Sebastian may have been fairly quiet since controversially winning the Brits Best Newcomer award earlier this year. But for B&S bassist Stuart David, things are busier than ever as he forges ahead with his 'other' band, Looper. A whimsical blend of spoken-word monologues, samples and experimental beats, Looper's quirky world revolves around spaceships, treehouses and a cat called Elvis while their new single 'Who's Afraid Of Y2K?' turns its attention to the timely subject of the Millennium. What's more, Stuart has also found time to publish his debut novel, Nalda Said. Click on the links above to hear Stuart talk about his work with Belle & Sebastian and his first novel. Dotmusic met up with the multi-talented Looper frontman to discuss pre-Millennial tension, celebrity fans such as Pulp and discover just why the next Belle & Sebastian album is almost a year behind schedule. Dotmusic: "So, Stuart are you hoping to rival Robbie Williams' 'Millennium' in providing the ultimate end-of-century party track?" Stuart David: "Well, we hoped we'd get lots of airplay because of the subject matter, but it doesn't seem to have worked! I think the Millennium is interesting because it's always been depicted in popular culture as 'the future'. It's interesting how unlike that vision things really are. Next year will be like living in the future and the present at the same time, but also something of an anticlimax." Dotmusic: "Are you worried about the Millennium bug?" Stuart David: "I think there's a chance that the bug could cause a natural creative revolution. Because of how technology has developed, people can be a lot more independent in how they work and there's not such a need for big corporations, which could be brought down by something like computer malfunction. People seem more bothered about Y2K in America than they do here in Britain but I've already storing up tinned food! I'm staying very close to home on New Year's Eve." Dotmusic: "Pulp have remixed a track on the single how did that come about?" Stuart David: "Jarvis Cocker came to see us play at the Bowlie Festival earlier this year and he liked the song. Actually we were Jarvis-spotting at Bowlie but we kept missing him. One time we were kidding around and chanting his name in our chalet and it turned out he was actually walking past outside. Cornelius and Badly Drawn Boy should be remixing tracks on future singles, and we've asked Beck to remix a track we saw him hiding behind a speaker at one of our shows in California." Dotmusic: "How useful have you found the Internet in your work?" Stuart David: "It's been really good. In fact, it's how everything came about. Our first single was released after I met the girl from the SubPop label online. A lot of samples and things we use in the music we got off the Internet there are sites where you can download or buy collections of samples. We're also now editing our own videos on the computer, so we've spent months online working out how to do it. Our own website, The Treehouse came from an idea to have a venue with an art gallery, theatre, a cinema, a music place and a shop in it just all the things we liked. We realised we could do it right now on the Internet without having to wait years to have the money to do it in reality." Dotmusic: "So, what's next for Looper?" Stuart David: "One of our songs, 'Burning Flies', is on a film that's coming out by the Kids In The Hall team, and the people behind the Simpsons are using it on their new carton, The Downtoners. I've started work on a new novel and I'm negotiating the film rights for Nalda Said. The next Looper album, 'Geometric', is quite far to being finished. The new songs have a lot of analogue synth and are more instrumentally based, rather than spoken word. With the book coming out it takes care of the storytelling side of things for a while, so we'll have less of that. Besides, I can't stand the sound of my own voice!" +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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