November 1999 - Sinister

Sinister: changes
by Ellen Jernström 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

darlings - hefner are playing in stockholm wednesday. but i'm leaving for london wednesday. do i hear someone laughing up above? =) my favourite song of the week isn't a b&s song. it's pulp, "something's changed". it's something about those lyrics: "i wrote this song two hours before we met i didn't know your name or what you looked like yet oh, i could have stayed at home and gone to bed i could have gone to see a film instead you might have changed your mind and seen your friend life could have been very different but then something changed" it's like that, it really is. life changes and you, of course, never know it will. until it has. *euhm..* *love* /ellen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: another introduction
by secret crush 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

hello one and all. this is my first post & an introduction. since there's already a heather on the list, i need to distinguish myself as heather e. heather e. can be described as a short brunette with long eyelashes, a special affection for platform shoes, & tendencies towards loss of memory & road rage. i live in allentown, pa...smack in the middle of n.y.c. & philly. the philly scene makes me giggle to myself. there are tons of young indie music snobs, which i sometimes enjoy, but these types are also fashion snobs. if you're not one of them you aren't anyone, i guess. i sometimes masquerade around town in my black horn-rimmed glasses, faux fur-trimed jacket, super-short miniskirt & "insert the latest underground band here" t-shirt & buy records by the jets & debbie gibson just to throw them off. sometimes things are the funniest when you're the only one laughing. anyway, all trickery aside, i like what i've seen of this list so far. it's nice to be in the company of people who use their brains & express their own opinions, not just repeat those of others. rock on. love, heather e. p.s. i forgot to mention the gorgeous band that led me here in the first place...my favorite song, today anyway, is "get me away from here, i'm dying" & my favorite lyric is from "the rollercoaster ride" & it goes a little something like this...'take judy with her bow and arrow, she's a mastermind/too frumpy for the teenage population of her kind.' p.p.s. hey shawnee, i have only one thing to say to you...rock the boat, don't rock the boat, baby; rock the boat, don't tip the boat over. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Belle and Sebastian and NEW SONGS on The Tube
by Robert Foster 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

Ah, finally something interesting to write about. Why don't you all go here: http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/19991115165518.html I think you'll find it interesting. Rob +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: garp a gut
by foxinthesnow 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

funny thing, i just started reading vonnegut's 'cat's cradle' last night, before reading the posting about 'touching humor,' i think it was. i am happy to know i am not the only garp fan. (not that there is anything wrong with that...) but i was happy to read other people's responses to it. i just think its great how john irving really deals with every subject in such a thorough way. did i spell that right? andrea get your free gURLmAIL at http://www.gURLmAIL.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: level as a lake beneath the moon
by Emily Wilska 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

Allo allo. Although this phase has probably long passed, I wanted to add my two cents vis-a-vis fave B&S moments. I'd vote for those little bits of songs in which SM drags out what he's singing: "...and he thinks it's a sin that he has to leave the house at aaaaaaaaallllll," "...dream of ho-o-o-o-o-o-o-orses," etc. There's probably some musical-type term for that, but I don't know it. Also, the line "Oh love of mine, would you condescend to help me, for I'm stupid and blind" in "The State That I Am In" never fails to blow me away with it's sharp and bitter edges. Right. Dan Hooper wrote of California's pseudo-Autumn, which I'd agree with for the most part. However, I was up in northern Sonoma county yesterday, and I must say that things are certainly more fall-like up there. The grape leaves turn all sorts of crazy colors, and the play of sun and fog causes some crazy light effects, making everything look like a big gentle explosion of gold and red and green. It settled my inner East Coaster to see it. Being warmed inside by all sorts of fabulous wines didn't hurt, either. Our Sister of Perpetual Disco wrote, >>Some time ago, I unsubscribed from the Beepster news list because I didn't want to get it anymore. Wishful thinking. But it's quite good now. Every time it comes through, its ponytail has grown.<< which made me nearly choke on the sip of coffee trying to make its way down my throat. Unable to stand the wondering anymore, I bought a Godspeed You, Black Emperor! cd last night. It is the soundtrack to a long drive on lonely roads near dusk, rain coming, and I dig it a lot. Off to work I go-- Emily +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: IS THAT A PIECE OF MOZ IN YOUR POCKET OR ARE YOU JUST PLEASED TO SEE ME
by GEORGE DICKIE 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

MMMMMMMMMM HELLO I'M BACK FROM MY MOZ TOUR I WILL GO THROUGH IT QUICK MMMMM THERE IS SOME B&S CONTENT SO STAY WITH IT MMMMM ETC GO I WENT TO THE NOTTINGHAM GIG 1ST GIG IN DA UK IT WAS SUPER BOOM BOOM MOZ WAS HAPPY AND LOOKING GOOD WITH IT MMM THE NEXT DAY I HAD TO GO BACK HOME (WOLVES) TO SIGN ON THE DOLE I MAY BE ON THE DOLE BUT IT IS WHO YOU ARE NOT WHAT YOU DO THAT MATTERS MMM THAT'S WHAT I KEEP TELLING MYSELF MMMMMMMMMM ANYWAY AFTER THAT I WENT TO LEEDS FEELING DIRTY AS I HAD NO TIME TO GO HOME AND CLEAN ETC THE LEEDS GIG WAS JUST AS GOOD THE BEST BIT BEING I GOT A PIECE OF HIS WEST HAM BOYS CLUB T-SHIRT THAT HE THREW INTO THE CROWD I KEEP IT IN MY POCKET NOW AND AGAIN I PUT MY HAND (SORRY HONEY NO PICTURES)IN AND DREAM AFTER THE LEEDS GIG THERE WAS THIS MOZ/SMITHS CLUB NIGHT IT WAS IN THIS SMALL CLUB DOWN THESE STAIRS (LE PHONO) IT WAS PURE 3HOURS MOZ/SMITHS MMMMMMM JOY I KEPT THINKING IT WAS LIKE WHEN THE JEWS WENT INTO THOSE SHOWERS THAT WERE REALLY GAS CHAMBERS I THOUGHT ANY MOMENT NOW THE GAS WILL BE SET FREE AND I WILL DIE IT WAS PURE LOVE EVERYONE DANCING MMMM A GUY WHO LOOKED/ DANCED VERY MUCH LIKE MOZ CAME OVER TO ME IT WAS LIKE THE REAL THING COMING OVER HE JUST SPOKE IN MY EAR AND SAID "I SPOKE TO STUART MURDOCH AT THE STAR AND GARTER PUB THE OTHER DAY" MMM YOU SEE I WAS WEARING A B&S T-SHIRT I COULDN'T THINK OF WHAT TO SAY I JUST SAID "OH RIGHT" HE JUST LEFT LIKE THE LITTLEST HOBO HE WAS AMAZING JUST A SHAME HE WASN'T A LASSIE MMMMMM PUPPY LOVE MMMMMMM I HATE IT WHEN YOU CAN'T THINK OF THINGS TO SAY MMMMM BASICALLY THAT WAS THAT I COULD SAY MORE BUT I WON'T MY TOP 10 TEEN FILMS LIST HAS NOT YET GOT ON THE B&S SITE MMMMMMMMMM DAM ETC HOLD ON MMMMMM THANKS FOR ALL THE KIND WORDS PEOPLE HAVE HAD 4 ME ETC THE CAPS LOCK THING IS NOT ME SHOUTING I'M A SHY CLAM SOFT FLUFFY TYPE THIS IS SHOUTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK *********************************************************** SOME DAYS I WAKE UP AND WANT TO WEAR A BADGE THAT SAYS "I'M ALIVE I'M JUST PRETENDING TO BE DEAD" OTHER DAYS I WANT TO WEAR A BADGE THAT SAYS "I'M DEAD I'M JUST PRETENDING TO BE ALIVE" BUT MOST DAYS I WAKE AND WANT TO WEAR A BADGE THAT SAYS "I'M ALIVE PLEASE TALK TO ME" (TO ALL THE USA PEOPLE A BADGE IS WHAT U CALL A BUTTON) ************************************************************ YER RIGHT I'LL LEAVE IT HERE I WON'T TALK ABOUT MOZ FOR A WHILE NOW I DON'T WANT TO BE KNOWN AS THE BOY WHO'S ALWAYS.............. YOU GET THE POINT MMM NOT SURE WHAT I'LL TALK ABOUT NEXT TIME MAYBE I'LL START SOME B&S RUMORS DID YOU KNOW THAT ONE OF THE SONG'S ON THE NEW B&S LP IS CALLED *BUNNY RABBIT FABLES* IT IS SUNG BY ISOBEL I HEAR THAT SHE DRESSED UP AS A BUNNY AND GOT INTO A RABBITS HUTCH TO SING THE SONG TO GIVE IT AN AUTHENTIC FEEL SARAH TOOK A PHOTO OF THIS MOMENT AND IT WAS GOING TO BE USED AS A XMAS CARD FOR ALL US B&S FANS HOWEVER THIS WILL NOT GO AHEAD NOW AS SARAH IS AFRAID ANNE GEDDES MAY TAKE OUT LEGAL ACTION http://www.trulyyours.com/AGeddesP.htm GO HERE TO SEE ANNE'S WORK MMMMMMMMMMM THIS WHOLE MESSAGE HAS BEEN TOOOOO LONG I'M VERY SORRY LOVE AND SPOOKY DREAMS GEORGE HENRY DICKIE ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: You got it - keep it out of my face
by Nick.Dastoor＠guardian.co.uk 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

>I'm a bit baffled by the new-look take-no-prisoners Nickie Dastoor and his >slagging of Free Design. Haven't we moved a little bit beyond liking bands >just because everyone else on Sinister likes them? I didn't even realise >this is something that happens. But (if I'm understanding this rightly) hey, >they're a Sinister cliché now so don't even bother checking them out. Nick, >isn't your argument getting self-defeating - the only difference being the >bands we're not allowed to like rather than the ones we all should? I seem to be confusing a lot of people of late. Not least myself. I'm pretty sure I wasn't saying what Mark thinks I was, though. I think The Free Design are GREAT. Neither am I suggesting that anyone on Sinister is pretending to like them just because so many other people do. I was just making reference to their status as one of those previously obscure bands that through tapes and recommendations have become popular with a lot of people quite rapidly. People like them because they like them. Why so many people? I don't know - they obviously appeal to a lot of the same people as Belle and Sebastian appeal to. If I use the phrase 'overlapping aesthetics' please don't think I'm a big ponce who is suggesting that Belle and Sebastian fans all base their musical tastes on some book of P!O!P! rules. Although if anyone has a copy of the Big Book of P!O!P! Rules, I'd love to borrow it. What I *was* saying was that having records by them is not half as 'cool' as it once was, because so many people seem to have them these days. I'm not using 'cool' to men 'good' - I'm using it in the 'pop snob' sense (and pop snobbery is, I think we all agree, A BAD THING, even if I wouldn't deny that I am guilty of yielding to its charms myself). To me, pop snobbery is all about being proud of having records that no one else has. Not about having records that everyone in some youth subculture (eg indie kids) *does* have, which is what some people seem to have been implying. Props to Martin for admitting his 'Family Cat' dating rule, though. >I think I must just not be getting this cos Nick is a far brighter being >than I am and I'm sure I'm missing something. You sweetie you. Sorry for not shutting up now like I said I would do before. The new-look take-no-prisoners Nickie Dastoor xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: we are young, heartache to heartache; we stand, no promises, no demands.
by Paula Cullen 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

friends, romans and countrymen, steve c and nick dastoor said: "Rod Stewart" and i shouted with joy. (inwardly of course) i cuntin' looove Roddy, (and not just for the fleeting period where he *may* have been considered cool, either). so much so that i travelled overseas to see him last year. this honour has, so far, been reserved only for the likes of Belle and Sebastian and, erm, well, Ocean Colour Scene but i have *almost* completely erased that from my memory at this stage... so last december, my good self and a chum travelled to london town and *immersed* ourselves in The Magical World Of Rod Stewart, where bad taste is good taste, tartan scarves are THE last word in fashion and ALL the women look like a curious hybrid of Joe Elliot and Pat Butcher from Eastenders. bliss..... ************************************************************************** i was watching "stylissimo" on mtv yesterday. they played a looper song as background music on one of the features. i always knew stuey david was the new black. before we know it, he'll be on the cover of italian "vogue", revealing his left nipple, no doubt. (i'm sorry if i've left any of you with a mental picture that you'd rather not have....) keep on rockin' in the twee world, paula cullen booze explosion booooze!!!! yeeeaaahh!!! "getting beer poured over your head isn't necessarily a bad thing. it's cold, it's good for your hair, and it makes you smell like a champ." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: You got it - keep it out of my face
by Mark Casarotto 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

Fuck autumn. Spring Roolz. Apparently, last week, not even a 3rd of the leaves in Britain had fallen. British Rail RIP told us this in order to prepare for the "wrong type of leaves on the line" excuses that they come up with every year. The good news, for Adam at least, is that there are plenty more crunchy days left this year! Yay! I'm a bit baffled by the new-look take-no-prisoners Nickie Dastoor and his slagging of Free Design. Haven't we moved a little bit beyond liking bands just because everyone else on Sinister likes them? I didn't even realise this is something that happens. But (if I'm understanding this rightly) hey, they're a Sinister cliché now so don't even bother checking them out. Nick, isn't your argument getting self-defeating - the only difference being the bands we're not allowed to like rather than the ones we all should? I think I must just not be getting this cos Nick is a far brighter being than I am and I'm sure I'm missing something. Nalda Said was reviewed in this morning's Metro newspaper. It got 2 out of 5, and StuD's "faux-naïve" style was described as cloying, or something similar. I must admit I don't find it a surprise. Having said that, Y2K and Baby One More Time have been competing for irritating-song-on-loop-in-head space today, which is a recommendation. After six months of listening to Classic FM in the morning, I thought I'd re-check out XFM. God it's fucking shit. It gets worse. The only plus is that attention-deficit-disorder sufferer, Helen Chamberlain, is a fellow Torquay United fan. Which makes me, according to footballing analogies of recent days, pretty fucking devoted to my football. Goths. There is a photo of me in existence wearing...no, I can't bring myself to say it. I've never actually seen said photo. I live in fear of the day it gets out... I think cunting is a great word. It seems to me Stuart's just being normal and human and LIKE US in his diary posts, but I admit I'm probably being (faux) naïve on that one. Still, it makes me happy to believe it, so I will. Finally. All bigots are wrong. Full stop. Is that okay? Big Fat Markx p.s. Kate Rusby (+ Billy Bragg) - 14/15 December (I think), Forum Kentish Town. Who's with me? ******************************************************************* The contents of this e mail from HIT Entertainment PLC are confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy or further distribute this e mail; please notify us by telephone on 0171 224 1717, and delete the e mail from your computer. This e mail has been checked by our anti-virus system before leaving us; we accept no responsibility for the e mail and any attachments once they leave us. www.hitentertainment.com www.bobthebuilder.org ******************************************************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: blah!
by Adam Chapman 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

Apologies for the quality of subject line, there have been somegood ones around... Well hello there. We'll take the "I love autumn" thing as read for the mean time, on my part at least,though I do, especially those beautiful, sunny, cloudless days you only ever get around mid-October in Britain, when theres leaves on the ground and they haven't quite lost their crunch as you walk through them. Never quite got the same warm feelings about the prospect of winter though, perhaps because where i live, it never does it properly. Sure, it gets cold, but it hardly ever snows to last more than a day or so and unless you like freezing fog and aggressive rain i can find little to recommend it. That and at least autumn is properly defined, that is you can tell when it begins and ends which is different from all the other seasons that just blend together kind of seamlessly. I think B+S fit inmore with a time of day than a time of year, say mid to late afternoon at home when you can lean back a little and listen... I'm not really sure where i stand on the obscure v. mainstream [who loves music more?], debate as it strikes me at first as rather pointless being as it is somewhat subjectve in its very nature. The way i view it, most of the music i like is vaguely obscure, it doesn't mean i love it more for this reason, it just signifies that less people share my musical taste - not always a plus, i have to explain what everything sounds like [citing influences people haven't heard of], and find this a little trying sometimes, though again this isn't because of peoples' lack of love, merely their lack of curiosity. It also hinges on how you define love - at least, love as it relates to musical expression/identification which for quite a few people i know borders on obcession. I haven't got an answer, not even much of an opinion so i shall end my ramblings here. Adam 'If you can't make them think, at least make them sing...' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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