November 1999 - Sinister

Re: Sinister: obscure goth steve c and momus
by Jygsaw18＠aol.com 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

In a message dated 11/13/99 1:02:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Nick.Dastoor(a)guardian.co.uk writes: << New game: give me... goth versions of well known Belle & Sebastian songs. >> The Boy With The Dark Eyeliner Me and the Major Are Depressed Get Me Away from Here, i'm Dying (Not So Great)Expectations Strung Out Jean If You're Feeling Suicidal Manic Depressive Line Painter Jane Industrial Reniassance Seeing Other People Who Are Happy OBSCURE BANDS ARE/ AREN'T COOL look. If i recall correctly, Seester Deeesco was quoting the gent from Hefner. It wasn't a serious statement. Please, let's not get another spat started on the list. It will upset Mummy, first of all, and it will just be horrible. steve c said I don't detect any of that on this list most of the time, but go to any indie club like the Black Cat in DC and you'll see these indie scenesters in full effect. Its really quite snobbish to assume that because you were the only person in your zip code to buy the Rites of Spring LP from 1985 (mail order via Dischord of course, because retail is way to depressing and not nearly indie cool enough), that you've been moved in a way that people who love Sixpence None the Richer can't appreciate.>> and he is totally right. but let's just leave it at that, ok? i just bought a momus album the other day. it's very good, i think. quite the lusty fellow though. i'm not sure if the irony is really all that enjoyable. but his voice is good, and so's the keyboard bits. from the surface of the moon dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Arggghhh...this one is not blank!
by Walkn10＠aol.com 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

I totally fubared that last sinister message, so I beg your forgiveness for the blanky. Hre it goes for real: Like Rachel, I really, really tried to stay out of this one 'cause I figured I wouldn't have anything of value to add to the debate. Well, useless or not, I think its time I said my peice. No offense to anyone on the list, but I find it ludicrous that because someone listens to the Velvet Underground, their opinions are more highly respected than the Rod Stewart fan. It should be about the motivation and the passion for the music as opposed to what the music is, or whos playing it. I mean, you can't honestly divine what a person gets out of Limp Bizkit, and if you can and you dismiss him on this assumption, than you're being more ignorant than that person anyway. Like when Elliott Smith played the Academy Awards last year, all these indie kids came up to him afterwards and were like "I can't believe they made you hold Celine Dion's hand" and he was like "Well, she happens to be a very nice person and alot more openminded than you're being right now. You're in a very backwards position, you should rethink it." I don't detect any of that on this list most of the time, but go to any indie club like the Black Cat in DC and you'll see these indie scenesters in full effect. Its really quite snobbish to assume that because you were the only person in your zip code to buy the Rites of Spring LP from 1985 (mail order via Dischord of course, because retail is way to depressing and not nearly indie cool enough), that you've been moved in a way that people who love Sixpence None the Richer can't appreciate. Music is music, and if throwing an unknown band into a conversation just to make yourself look alot smarter is your idea of cool, then you're in a bad way. I personally hate 99% of what is played on the radio stations, but if some Lit song gives a 15-year-old the same misty-eyes that Maggie May gives me, well, than where's the problem? Its become sadly evident that punk/indie rock has totally become a cartoon of itself. It started out as an alternative to the cock-rock club that Led Zeppelin and others had started and now, its even more exclusive than the regime it set out to fight, and thats pretty sad. The VU and such weren't playing their music so people in SoHo would stop and say "whoa thats really obtuse!", they were playing it because people then weren't making the kind of music they wanted to hear and they wanted to bring like-minded people some joy. Maybe some of them did want to start some sick club, but how is that part of the solution anyway? If someone truly loves the music they listen to, and if they have a passion for it, then thats who's opinion I trust, not someone who listens to indie bands just so they make sure they're among the "in" crowd. Be it Ida or Barry Manilow, just make it mean something. I'm really sorry to rant, and again I don't want this construed as anything personal because I was speaking less about this list than the general state of indie rock. Um...ok...sorry again Steve C. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: obscure music vs mainsteam
by Walkn10＠aol.com 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

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Sinister: GBV a reply to Attitude You got some fucking Attitude
by GoGoEcho＠aol.com 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

-Damon BrnToEnd(a)aol.com said, SO ok...... I saw Guided by voices thursday at the M. Hall in S.F. and holy shit is all I have to say. Man I knew nothing about their concerts and Wooooaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh.... NOW THATS FUCKING ROCK N ROLL! AMEN! Well I just have to say that I saw Bob play 4 times now and I keep coming back for more they're one of the best bands around live. If you want a concert that is ultra catchy and spawns sing-a-longs GO SEE GBV!!! Also note that I've met Bob Pollard who is Guided By Voices and Doug Gillard (lead Guitarist of recent) in an airport no less and they are cool. They talked with us for several minutes and were completly down to earth and made some jokes. Well that's all had to comment when someone mentioned GBV. adam +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: fonzie says it "ain't" over until the matador something or other
by Poppixxie＠aol.com 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

good evening all...... wow, i'm wathcing happy days right now and it is amazingly wonderful. i love it quite a bit, especially richie cunnigham- he's sooo cute. and this is one of those great episodes that laverne and shirley guest starred. shlameal, shlamal, hossenfefer incorporated. yeah go! alright, well fiona, i completely agree with your comment on autumn and it's loneliness. i think autumn is so very romantic and finding myself alone once again it makes me quite depressed- making albums such as cat power and elliot smith the official shawnee leaf-turning-falling-and-raking season soundtrack. speaking of cat power......ugh. i had the single worst experience going to see them last night. aside from of montreal and belle sebastian and perhaps bis....okay no i was about tell a lie. i was going to say aside from the aforementioned bands cat power was truly the only concert i have desperately wanted to see. i would then have to proceed with listing every concert i've ever seen, aside from new kids on the block but i was only 11 or so. anyhow. this girl that i really didn't want to go was invited by my dear friend stefan called a half-hour after the time we were supposed to have left my house and said that she was about a half-hour past my house and had gotten herself lost. she ended up not coming but it presented delay number one. delay numver two came when we were trapped in traffic entering the holland tunnel. i estimate this delay to have been around 45 minutes. arse-buggy traffic! following or more like during the traffic delay i accidently ran a red-stop light and a mean nasty little cop yelled at me and handed me a negative seventy-seven dollar ticket. disgust and delay numero third! we finally get to the knitting factory an hour late and the concert had been sold out for an hour and a half. so i didn't get to see my lovely darling little chan. so if anyone could possibly get in touch with ms. marshall tell her that i love her and i need to see her perform live and yes! more interesting things but this post is once again so beyond long! love and kookiness abound, shawnee +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: lo-fi hi-fi tie-dye
by fiona 15 Nov '99

15 Nov '99

evenin' campers, that is my new greeting to all and sundry. my flesh-and-blood friends don't seem to have noticed / appreciated it, so i thought i had better point it out in words to you guys. in recent posts i seem to have given some of you the impression that i don't like autumn, thats not what i meant at all. i don't like the idea of a whole season being in a huff with me, so i 'll put things to rights by saying that what i meant was that autumn is so beautiful that somehow it makes me feel a bit lonely (although that doesn't apply when its raining, i can't cope at all when it rains, don't ask me how i've managed living in the north of england all my life). i don't want to write any more on this subject because i'm starting to feel like a piss-poor sixth form poet and i'm very tempted to spout forth about roaring fires and fairy lights. to add to the theme of people splitting up (which as we well know includes myself, it being the catalyst for much whinging) my ex-ex has just split up with his new girlfriend and i am being reeeally nice and comforting, in a genuine act of friendship. for once i am doing something that i'm proud of and can feel good about, see how i pat myself on the back. stuff must be good, even the powers that be seem to love me. b+s on the telly coincides with me going home, where i can watch cable tv and video it and watch it again, and again, and again, to my heart's content (not that i'm that sad at all, you understand) anyone tried completely chocolate covered jaffa cakes? i think they're overrated, and not really that different to ordinary jaffa cakes because once they're in your mouth you don't notice that more of the surface area is covered by chocolate, thus defeating the object. i'm sure i had constructive comments to make on the backlog of posts i just read, but eveything i ever .... no, wait, i've remembered something.... goth. i've always liked goths, that might have something to do with growing up in leeds (the home of goth) although probably not, because i never noticed that many. anyway, goths always seem really honest and trustworthy to me, shit, that's a huge generalisation, and i'm going to stop before i embarass myself any further. i think its just my inate respect for anyone who manages to wear anything approaching as much eye make-up as i do on a regular basis. not really feeling on form tonight, just in the sense of being able to write anyhting that makes sense, you understand. so i shall say good-bye until the next time.... stay beautiful, fiona =====cheese - the one for me!===== +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Attitude You got some fucking Attitude
by BrnToEnd＠aol.com 14 Nov '99

14 Nov '99

Hello Listees, Haven't posted in a while but I think I say that everytime I post on the list. SO ok...... I saw Guided by voices thursday at the M. Hall in S.F. and holy shit is all I have to say. Man I knew nothing about their concerts and Wooooaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh. Crazed pothead drunk fans stage diving, cigs, cigs, cigs, beer, beer, beer, pot, pot, probably crack, girl going on stage giving everyone a beer, more beer, more smoke, 3 sets played. NOW THATS FUCKING ROCK N ROLL! AMEN! Finished Less Than Zero by Brett Easton Ellis today. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ boring. ugh wasted $13 on it. Too bad Patrick Bateman couldn't come in it at the end and kill them all. hardy har I got drunk for the first time since Wed. and it feels weird but Thank god I dont have a hang over! Next concerts: Cat Power at the Maritime hall and Stereolab 1st night at the Filmmore Bye Bye kids..Thanks for listening -Damon +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Laboring over The Who/B&S completeness
by Paul Rudolph 14 Nov '99

14 Nov '99

>Peter Miller wrote: >"And there's nothing easy or convenient about being a WHO fan, especially a 70s WHO fan." I give you that, Peter. As a fan of The Who, who's "Two's Missing" compilation cd was stolen from his car and thus no longer has "Dogs" and many other B-sides on CD, I wholeheartedly agree that being a Who fan is not easy or convenient. A few days ago, a friend suggested I take up a second job to complete/update my Who cd collection. To copy the style of the recent B&S diary: Drew: "You better buy it! It's a disgrace that you don't already have it. "Here 'Tis" is their best. Have you updated your CDs to the ones with bonus tracks?" me: "No. cut me down. I need money" Drew: "Get a second job to pay for Who cds. Naple would do it" me: "Shit, Naple would get a fifth job! all would be digging ditches" Drew: "How about a sheet metal worker" Thus I am glad that Belle & Sebastian came along at a time that I existed because its much easier to keep my collection of their music complete! Wishing for Two's Missing, Paul $@!&%!! +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: obscure music vs mainsteam
by rachel tucker 14 Nov '99

14 Nov '99

i don't often emerge blinking out of luckerdom, but the debate over whether listening to obscure music makes you a 'better' person with a more valid opinion has got me stirring. i never got into music before 1994, not even kylie and jason like everyone else, but at the age of 13 i launched in and became that most irritating type of music fan - a teenage indie snob. how i came out of that period with any friends at all is a miracle - or just proof that music isn't always that important. the extremely confused point that i think that i am trying to make ( i still don't have it sorted in my head, and i've been debating it against myself for three years), is that music is enjoyed on an individual basis, and no-one should EVER be laughed at, humiliated, or worse of all, dismissed, for the music they listen to. yes, go ahead and try to introduce people to bands that you love, god knows i've tried to convert people to b&s (recent conversation with placebo obsessed mate: hey, rachel, would you make me a tape? me: yeah, definitely. friend: but don't keep sneaking that shit happy clappy(!) band on like you always do.), and disagreement is healthy. but i don't see why i should be put down for owning albums by five and ant and dec, or for rating the charlatans way, way over radiohead (something that's hard to do while living in oxford). i'm ashamed of my time as a sneering, cynical music snob. all i can say in my defence is that i was very insecure back then and desperate to feel better than my peers through a 'superior' record collection. which, looking back, was in itself, a joke. 1994 saw the explosion of britpop so i have everything heavy stereo ever released, and an awful lot of stuff by shed seven. but y'know, they do have nostalgia value, some great choruses, and i'm well chuffed about gem joining oasis... ahh, i feel much better after that rant, though i'm sure none of you out there do. i'm sorry. anyway, since i'm here, i'd like to share some cheerful news. i listened to the stone roses for the first time in nearly two years last night (well, bar druckenly dancing to 'fools gold' in various cowley road pubs), and fuck me were they breathtakingly brilliant. the shivers were already creeping down my spine by the time ian was whispering that he wanted to be adored, and i had to remind myself to breathe in 'made of stone'. it was even better than hearing them for the first time, the forgotton familiarality heightening the experience. i'm hoping that the same thing will happen with b&s; i haven't played anything by them for over a month as gorky's, death in vegas's 'the contino sessions' and the new charlatans album have been fighting over my stereo. poor stuart, but absence is definitely making the heart grow even fonder it'll burst soon, and then i won't even be able to lurk!). and i have been getting my fix from the guardian column....ooh stuart, i'll play scrabble with you anyday! oh well, my time is up, i'm wilting in the bright lights of the list, so i'll slither, not bleat, my way back to lurkerdom. see you all in another 6 months, lots of love rachel xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Bewitched, Bewildered and Be Buggered
by Peter Miller 14 Nov '99

14 Nov '99

Paul Rudolph wrote: I asked a friend who isn't into the indie scene/obscure bands if what Mr. Miller said is true and here is what he said ( I hope you don't mind that I did that Peter): Of course I don't mind Paul, but I can't claim the credit for those comments about people who like obscure indie groups liking music more than Genesis, Chopin, Bronski Beat or Sting fans. That honour goes to Darran from Hefner. It was in an interview by our friend Jarkko that he sent in to the list last week or the week before. I think Darran Hefner was probably at least half joking anyway. I was just using it as a poor excuse to have a pop at Tim Hopkins in the vain hope that he'll come out with both guns blazing and reduce me to a quivering wreck with his atomic wit. Dan Hooper wrote: I have been known to "bum a fatty" every now and again while listening to IFYS Who was the fatty? If I was going to bum a fatty, I'd put on Bronski Beat after Jimmy Sommerville had left. But I've got terrible back ache at the moment. Some time ago, I unsubscribed from the Beepster news list because I didn't want to get it anymore. Wishful thinking. But it's quite good now. Every time it comes through, its ponytail has grown. They've really got that record executive talk down pat these days. I think they sold the original Tube a bit short though. It was instrumental in the early careers of Paul Young, Heaven 17, Fine Young Cannibals and Bronski Beat, to name just a handful. I used to have to go upstairs to watch it. I watch whatever I like now. Last night I watched Lalo Schifrin with a huge fuck-off orchestra. They did Mission Impossible at the end. You should have seen how the square bear orchestra types dug it and really got into the swing. It was a deeply groovy moment for me, quite spiritual. I had a scary nightmare about the Blake Witch Project. It's all your fault. And there's nothing easy or convenient about being a WHO fan, especially a 70s WHO fan. What's more, it's something that I personally feel has made a major contribution to my inner growth as a human being. love, Sister Disco +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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