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Sinister: The geeks shall inherit the earth
by ar981611＠student.paisley.ac.uk 19 May '99

19 May '99

Woke up this morning after a pleasant dream that involved none of you at all, only to find a rather dazed and confused poetry parrot hovering in the vicinity. No wonder, carrying about all that stuff about my beloved Highland homelands. Well I am sending it back on its way, but not before sharing some Stevie Smith sweetness with you all. CONVICTION IV I like to get off with people, I like to lie in their arms I like to be held and lightly kissed, Safe from all alarms. I like to laugh and be happy With a beautiful kiss, I tell you, in all the world There is no bliss like this. So am I meant to send the poetry parrot on to someone else now? I think I'll just set him free and see who wants to catch him as he passes. Is that acceptable do you think? I don't want to send him off somewhere he wouldn't be welcome... I have been sitting biting my tongue (well, fingers actually I have yet to master the art of typing with my tongue) in response to accusations of tweeness and trying to be all sensitive with regard to why I (and others) actually like Belle and Sebastian. Some of you non-newbies may remember that I got a little huffy at the Sensitive Stan rant a wee while ago - I took that as an insult to those of us with social ineptitude when really it was a tongue in cheek pisstake of non-existent (as far as I know) stereotypes. Lots of you wrote to me and said "don't be silly, it's just a joke" and I continued on my merry-ish way. I took little offence at Iain Hamilton's diatribe as it was patently misguided, and would have been funny if he hadn't used it as a parting shot, but then Ciaran jumped in to imply that the list was mostly a bunch of pretentious people with too much time on their hands pretending to be twee and buy records they didn't actually want or like to perpetuate the myth that they were twee and to shag people of similar levels of pretentiousness or to take advantage of the gullibility of the socially inept. Then did exactly what Iain couldn't (or wouldn't), stayed around to enjoy the fallout. (Please note use of the word "imply" above, this is just my opinion and I may be wildly off the mark. If so, please come and talk to me personally unless it's a point that you genuinely feel should be addressed to the list in general). Now it seems to me that Ciaran has got the vast majority of us all wrong. Last week I made what was intended to be a fairly throwaway comment about why I identified with certain Belle and Sebastian lyrics and was touched beyond belief with the response, both on the list and to me personally. I don't believe a single person said any of this in order to get laid. I certainly didn't. I don't fit in to any of these preconceived notions of Belle and Sebastian fans, I listen to records that would be considered way too uncool in places where judgmental folks live and call you names for not playing up to the way you are meant to be. You don't get that here for the most part and I was quite touched by Willy Robertson who felt the need to apologise for having been a Guns'n'Roses fan. This has never been to me the kind of place where I have had to pretend to be anything, or to re-invent my own history to fit in. I don't think I have to fit in really, I have met some inordinately good people and some less good people on this list and can quite honestly say none of them are in any way "typical" Belle and Sebastian fans, other than sharing a quite passionate love for finely-crafted wry Glaswegian folk-pop. This gives me things to talk about to you but does not mean that I expect you all to understand, to agree or even to care. What I don't expect is to be put down for feelings I can do nothing about. Those of you unfortunate enough to have met me at picnics/Bowlie will know that I drink like a fish, swear like a trooper with Tourettes and have an unhealthy obsession with 80 chart music, Sunset Beach and Celtic FC. I have been known to wear non-twee clothes, have a loud and raucous voice, can't talk with any conviction about bands I probably should be expected to like, and have made an arse of myself in front of Struan and chums in too many pubs at too many times. Inside I feel like a shy wee soul, but I'm not a flaming martyr to it :) I have never, to the best of my knowledge, been laid as a direct result of these feelings. I own a fair collection of Sarah records which I never discussed with anyone for seven years before joining Sinister as no-one I knew was in the slightest bit interested making it possibly the most expensive and pointless charade of passive tweeness known to man :) I know there are lots of you out there who aren't unhappy or twee or vulnerable, and that there are some of you who are. Some, like me, are paddling along inbetween the two, and I suspect that's where we mostly are. Pre-Bowlie I never thought for a second that I was the sort of person who would fit in with what was widely conceived to be the legendary London-centric clique and their earnest discussion of the early works of Felt and Talulah Gosh. Then I went, met the people you probably all know and really should love on this list who were without exception, a very nice, pretty diverse and remarkably un-twee bunch of folks with a mutual love of B&S, and realised that not one of them was how I had imagined. And that's the greatest compliment I could pay anyone I met. And I don't see that any of the rest of you are going to be any different from that, whatever floats your boat apart from B&S. Incidentally, Eliot, how does typing in lowercase make you twee? I can only think of about three people off the top of my head who steadfastly refuse to use capitals and I would defend, if not to the death, then to a reasonable amount of mild pain, their right to use whatever typeface or font they desire. Especially as I know a couple of them personally and can vouch for their non-tweeness. As someone who has been rapped gently but firmly on the knuckles by our gorgeous list mummy for speaking out in a confused and misguided manner, I fully back Honey in his administration of this list. If people are offended and are frightened off when people laugh at them for being happy, sweet, shy, socially inept (I consider myself to be all of these at times, mostly the latter two which I can do damn all about and as I explained actually magnifies the admiration I have for Stuart and kind of got me here in the first place) then I want Honey to come along and stand up for us. We are the ones that make this place one of the nicest places I have ever been privileged to call a sort of home, and although I am not naive to think that makes you all the apples of my eye and potential bestest buddies, I think there's enough diversity for everyone to feel comfortable here. If you don't like people different from you then stay away. Just don't castigate them for it, especially not if you at the same time claim "I'm a sucker for outsiders and misfits". Keep smiling, stay yourselves and NEVER let the bastards grind you down. Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: so the bitter mail was really a joke?
by Genevieve Wesley 19 May '99

19 May '99

oh gosh,i can`t keep up, i`m getting to old for this. ok,sorry, i thought it was a `i hate you and i`m leaving thing` like i said,its the way you write things around here. jeepers,you coulda fooled me,but i`m not the brightest crayon in the box. xo Gunther`s Voice genevieve (for the last time,honest) p.s Sensitive Stan, i still think you`re the funny one around here. i still believe in you. p.p.s whats this whole lowercase thing?! holy psycho anyalysism. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: lowercase letters & dr pepper....
by Amy 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hello, erika balsom wrote: > in response to the person who said; "So there's a few daisies who type > in lowercase and sound as though they would hyperventilate if their phone > ever rang", i must say that i write in lowercase when i both type and > print.... but it doesn't mean that i fit the stereotype. I quite like writing in lowercase, but I don't all of the time, in fact I suppose I'm not now. But anyway, I don't hyperventilate every time the phone rings. I just think it looks quite nice to type little. > >. . . what flavour *is* Dr Pepper? It's always reminded me of boiled sweets, and I can see the cough medicine similarity too. But you can't beat panda pops, can you? They're lovely, and carry a nice picture of, er, a panda. Has anyone tried the new! 'wonka' xploder chocolate bars?? Chocolate, crisped rice and popping candy!! That popping candy's naughty you know, I got some the other day, the packet said 'fizz whizz - with pop rocks!' kids and drugs and stuff... Amy :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: turn turn turn
by EliotNew＠aol.com 18 May '99

18 May '99

Aye, the lowercase. Funny / not funny that's the only thing anyone noticed about my message. I was being hyperbolic ( as well I wouldn't think there are people who ACTUALLY hyperventilate when the phone rings). But the absence of intonation and inflection in type does allow a few other communciation tools to take the fore. Can't imagine ignoring punctuation in poetry. Wouldn't want to read a novel in all capitals. I don't care about the grammar or spelling here one bit but I do respect the people who write here enough to read their messages as they are written, giving the usual interpretations to commas (pause), exclamation marks (excitement) and words in all capitals (emphasis). Don't care about all that, really, but I am concerned with a tempting but ropey looking double disc of the Supper Club shows that I saw in a store. 'Lord Anthony', 'Turn, Turn, Turn' and other live rares and highlights abound and seeing as by the time B&S bring their act to anywhere within a 500 mile radius of myself they'll have forgotten how anything off their first three albums and it's vicinity goes I'm feeling the need to get my hands on everything they've done up to this point. On a B&S family twee note, were there actual releases from Stu's early bands or does trying to get ahold of pre-B&S recordings yield the same stare as asking a local shop if they can order 'I Think I'm Ready For The Electric Chair' by The Nosebleeds with Morrissey on vocal? I don't live in Scotland, p.s. eliot +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: tweeness doesn't come in a box / or bought in a stamp aka century of fakers/
by eyh96＠hampshire.edu 18 May '99

18 May '99

melissa.thornton(a)utoronto.ca wrote: >well, instead of trying to come across real cutsie, we should all try to >make ourselves seem as extroverted as possible,... > >why, just last night teri and i got drunk off our arses on vodka, then >we molested some unsuspecting boys, and we woke up with our crack pipes >still in our mouths... > >see, that wasn't too hard...lets all give it a go! >toot a loo, >emily > >p.s. sorry for dragging your good name through the mud with me teri.. dear impostors, as sinisterines and divas from the start we cannot have our good names besmerched through your campaign. and my flatmate crackpipe concedes. as Lippmann would call manufacturing consent. no canadian or any other "dian" is gunna blitz a propaganda campaign set to implicate us in molestation, crack use (you know less jail terms are given to those who use cocaine instead), and indiscriminate use of cheap liquor. ciao the real teri and em (older, better, and smarter) scratch my name on your arm with a fountain pen (this means you really love me) ... rusholme ruffians +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: The Sinister Garden (continued)
by Martin Robinson 18 May '99

18 May '99

Hello, To continue the fun debate of Sinister-land... from my relatively new listee perspective (and in my opinion) the reason the garden of Sinister is such a wonderful place compared to other common or garden lists is because it has been cared for lovingly and tenderly by the hands of a certain Honey. It's not to say if your pet labrodor Harold takes a dump on the lawn someone rushes out with a poopa scoopa, it's normally left for the flies to feast on, but if someone lets a herd of elephants come in a dump on the prize rose bushes surely a quiet word with the local zoo is in order. I have to say ,though, I found the Mr Hamilton's poetic contribution funny in places too ,though, I doubt if anyone here's offended because it's not really relavent to a bunch of libidinous alcoholics, or is that just me. Oh well, Te ra, Martin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: A boring Iain post
by Putneysays＠aol.com 18 May '99

18 May '99

Dear Listerines, The following is a note i wrote to our illustrious list leader asking him to reconsider his decision about Iain. I guess I'm not fey enough to be considered one of the 'Sinister' elite and warrant a response. I'm very nice, really! And so is Iain. Susannah May 17th, 1999 Dear Honey, Hello there...I don't mean to take up your time or anything, because I too would be livid after reading the post sent by Iain Hamilton...but forgive me saying, i think you were a wee bit harsh with his banishment. He didn't mean to be rude, it was just a silly joke that he made up after he read the Momus Stars Forever lyrics written about the Indiepop mailing list. In fact, it's really all my fault this whole debacle happened, i told him to send it to the 'Sinister' list, because I thought a lot of Listerines would get a kick out of it. If i hadn't egged him on, he probably wouldn't have bothered, and feelings would have been spared. Kick me off the list, if anyone. I generally don't post much, and neither did Iain- he was just poking a little bit of fun at some of the silly people on here who happen to be just a little too concerned with their indie cred. He's really a very nice, kind man, and he meant no harm. Please reconsider your decision to kick him off, in the past his posts have been nothing but entertaining and amusing...one of the more approachable Belle And Sebastian fans. He was, after all, only speaking his mind. As for the bad language...he's not as twee as the rest of us, you know. Anyway, thank you for your time. Sincerely, Susannah Grossman +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: size isn't important...
by ian 18 May '99

18 May '99

scott said >i'm an incorrigilble lowercaser and damn proud of it! > >Actually, i switch up depending on how lazy my pinkies are feeling. its >a pain in the ass to hit that blasted shift key all time. Well as long >as we now have a typing instructor on the list maybe they can help me >with my right hand cross over on the "y" key and help me out with >proper fingerage for the dreaded number keys. What'd ya say? maybe fix >my typing posture too!! fey-tweeness is ruining my back. i'm a lower caser too.. and i know it annoys the fuck out of some people but i see that as their problem. why do you need big letters stuck in the middle of something to make it acceptable? everY so ofTen i can see that it migHT be fun to put a capItal in where its not needed, but why just put them in for the sake of it? and at the start of every sentence? well, how silly. where's the creativity in that? no...'smuch better to just let the cosmos flow from your fingertips and not stem the tide with a shift button. its not just a matter of laziness, typing lower case is your cosmic responsibility. the universe demands it. spread the word. in a low key sort of way, of course. ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Prada and Hang Ups
by Sam Devere 18 May '99

18 May '99

Anyone in DC going to the Hang Ups show at Galaxy Hut on Thursday? They are a jangle-guitar group that evokes mesmerizing harmonies, the lyrics are ok. Are any fans of Prada? I went to their store in Chicago (first time I've been in a store) and they were bloody expensive. I really like their stuff, are their cheaper places that sell similar items? Sam _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: lowercase letters (again!groan!)
by rachel tucker 18 May '99

18 May '99

okay, i know you're probably all bored to tears now about the lower case letters thing, but i just had to state my case and then leave it, defenceless, floating around the list. as you may have noticed, i'm a serial little letter user. this is not because i'm too scared to answer the phone. oh no. but i frankly i am still almightily terrified of this computer, in fact, all computers. well, not the sega mega drive, but then i only ever played on sonic and he was the cutest introduction to this technological adventure you could get. anyway, i've spent most of my tender 17 years avoiding typing on these dreaded machines, but since i got access to the.... <drumroll please> ....world wide web, i've had to rethink this strategy. and a very good idea that was too, as otherwise i would have never have met ( in a merely disembodied way, natch ) any of you lovely people :-) note the pathetic list crawling if you will. but i meant it. oh yes i did. okay, someday i will get to the point of this post... given that i only use one finger to type with (as the other nine are desperately scanning the keyboard for 'r'), it takes me one hell of a long time to write anything longer than my name. and twice as long as hell if i keep stopping to find/press shift. so i don't. but....(yes, the message continues zzzzzz) once i start getting a bit quicker and i blossom into a fully fledged computer nerd, maybe i'll start writing in capitals. and that will be exciting for you all. it will. indeed. See, it's already happening.... hugs and kisses love rachel xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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