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Sinister: so i ses to magda........
by KIRWAN LOUISE EMMA 19 May '99

19 May '99

Don't you hate when you hear a really good joke off a friend/telly/whatever and when you try and relate it to others it just dies? This has been happening to me lately - i get half way through, see the inevitable mess i'm going to make, go red, and shut my mouth. Of course, by then people want to know the end of the joke. And then, with my hands over my face, i *have* to tell them. And they *never* laugh, unless it's a nervous "haha" to pacify me. I think it's the horrible silence between the joke ending and conversation starting that always gets me the most. Or when your friend, being the good person they are, tries to comfort you, " that was...ummm..that was nice" or worse, " yes, well emmm..how are you?". Anyway, a question about the lower case thing ( stop me if you've heard this before); doesn't the word package automatically change the first letters of every sentence to capitals, thus eliminating lowercase sentences? Mine does ( insert smug tone here..sorry). one more comment/question. I'm behind and i'm sorry. I also think that if people are trying to be fluffy all the time, all the fun/interesting stuff will be lost. Hey, think of ned flanders , nicest guy in the world but he ain't the most fun. And yes, i do live through the simpson's ( it's so funny cos it's true....heehee) and now i'm shutting up. Louise ( ps. Nicely put, ciaran) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: A Sea of Dr. Pepper, Fraggles, and Stuart Murdoch demos
by Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hello there, I just had to bring Ailsa's wonderful metaphor to your attention one more time (and put something about the demos in there too, since I talk about them later on...). Let's all take just a minute to picture what a sea of Dr. Pepper and Fraggles would be like. Gobo, Wimbley, Red, Mokey, all of them soggy and plummy and sticky. There, wasn't that nice? Anyway, in response to Eliot New's question about Stuart Murdoch's previous bands, since everyone else seems to enjoy being tight-lipped about it, I'll say a thing or two. I'm not sure just exactly whether or not he was in any bands per se, but he had recorded several demos all on his lonesome. Legend and my friend Brendan have it that he toodled about the US, and jammed with some of Brendan's Portland-based friends. The truth of that matter has been lost in the mists of time and indie cred. Basically, unless someone is willing to burglarize Jeepster HQ and dig through their tapes, all we know is that anyone who has or had the demos must be sworn to secrecy, or really greedy. Probably the former. A few tracks did poke their heads out of obscurity and find their way into the hands of a number of fans. Rumor has it that Messr. Murdoch was not pleased. Strange, though, they're great songs. I definately prefer them to a select few B&S songs that don't hold my fancy. Oh wait! Just as I was about to hit 'send' here comes a discussion... elle wrote (regarding B&S) > We shouldn't dare to question the business decisions they make, > how is that any of our business? I am just wondering. Well, it's our business because we put down our hard or hardly-earned cash to buy those recordings. I'm not saying I don't agree with most of the the things B&S do, but Jeepster is another matter. If they started charging 40 pounds (I can't make the little L thingee come up) for their albums, don't you think we'd have a right to criticize? I mean, we have a right to criticize *anything* don't we? Free speech and all that. Sure, they don't have to listen, but we don't have to stifle ourselves either. The same goes with, say, carrots. Maybe people find out that insecticides sprayed on the orange tubers was ruining the local environment. We have a right to publicly criticize that/those carrot farmer(s), and we also have a right to boycott them because of that. Now, I think that albums and carrots are as different as...well albums and carrots. But in this society they are both commodities, and as consumers we have a right to treat them as such. Or at least that's what I think. As soon as they start making art free for everyone I'll stop criticizing business practices (mainly because there won't be any). Also, I may be wrong but I don't think Tim Hopkins was insisting B&S were in it for the money, but rather that the Flaming Lips were. I could be wrong, there's a lot of quoting going on there. /"\_/"\_/"\ Brian Pennington, a.k.a. Mick McMick; Sandcastle Records \ / bp224996(a)ohiou.edu ICQ#5056758 | | Sandcastle Recs Homepage: http://www.frognet.net/~mick/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: ramblings - jeepster news b&s content - 19/05/99
by Katrina House 19 May '99

19 May '99

hi everyone, more news for you all :) other news ---------- to celebrate Neil's birthday this weekend (well, not entirely for that purpose but if you see him give him a birthday snog), wee Beanz Geddes is DJ'ing at the G2 in Glasgow on Sunday 23rd May, so if you fancy a boogooloo or something head down because it is a treat for the ears and eyes! can't think of anything else at the minute, i'm sure i've missed stuff, but then you'll just have to put up with me again sooner than you thought. recommended listening for today: smog 'knock knock' and the new godspeed you black emperor ep alongside the new salako album. oh, and if anyone has any good sites they can recommend me, please mail me the url's as i need to find some new links for my staff page. no porn though y'hear ;) 'til next time ... cheers, Katrina. -- ************************************************************************ jeepster recordings ltd. - mailto:a-and-r@jeepster.co.uk http://www.jeepster.co.uk/ po box 14153, london, sw11 4xu, u.k. tel: 0171 924 2324, fax: 0171 924 6161 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Nothing to do with twee-ness, honest!!!
by ar981611＠student.paisley.ac.uk 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hello (Ignore first paragraph if you aren't from Central Scotland) Do any of you Glasgow types have, or know anyone who has, spare ticket(s) for the Stereolab appearance at the Beat Room special at Cottiers on Thursday? My source has failed to supply the goods, and they are all gone and I am ever so slightly miffed. Anyone? Please? YOU CAN ALL COME BACK NOW! A thought for the lot of you (no! stay! it's not long-winded and ill-thought out like they usually are - well not as bad as the last one !!): Antje said: > I'm only on the list for about 2 months now and > I don't know what it was like before, but there hardly seems to be any kind > of conversation going on here at all. Maybe there are just too many people on > the list now, I don't know. I think the more there are, the harder it gets to > get to know each other, too. There have been what I would construe to be conversations since time immemorial here, why only this week we have been privy to conversations about Dr Pepper, pseudo-twee-ness and whether the list is disappearing up its own arse. The reason they don't always turn into full blown list-wide discussions is because out of 1000+ people, only a few are motivated enough with something to contribute - imagine if everyday everyone carried on every conversation, your inbox would have 1000 mails everyday and somewhere in deepest Edinburgh, Sinister Central would explode. I am moved to reply to things almost every day, but I don't usually do it, as I know nine times out of ten someone else will come along and say it anyway. So I don't. I observe until something comes up I really want to get involved in/share with you all. Hundreds of things I would like to see continued disappear into the mists of the archive unaddressed - if someone says something that it seems only you wish to carry on a conversation about, write to them personally :) That's how I made most of the friends I have here, and it saves occurrences of things like the great Fraggle fiasco of earlier this year - go to the archive, type "fraggle" and see just what an ill-advised conversation can do to people's minds and inboxes. Of course, some discussions, which interest, inform or entertain us should be kept ON the list, but with 1000+ people from diverse backgrounds it's gonna be difficult to stop people chipping in with new threads, especially when they get sick of reading about the same thing for the 400th time that week. But you have people's addresses, and you have the ability to re-introduce a thread if it's not been exhausted, merely dragged down and drowned in a sea of Dr Pepper and Fraggles. The list, as people never tire of saying, is there for you, and it's what you make it. So use your voice constructively. Which is rich coming from me, as all I do is moan, and I also contributed to the Fraggle Rock nonsense. But I'm learning :) Erm, I just checked my inbox and Tim Hopkins has just said that much more concisely while I have been waffling on again. Never mind, eh? My scary double life involving Tim Hopkins (cf my belle and sebastian dreams) continues, as I spent a bit of this aftenoon listening to old records I hadn't heard for ages, one of which was Aztec Camera's "Jump". Mine was inspired by that crappy car advert which has a kid singing "True Colours" by Cyndi Lauper, a song that young Mr Frame gave 'the treatment' to some years ago. I listened to that too, it was fab. There, I have conclusively proved that Francesco is W!R!O!N!G! to say that I am the best writer on Sinister. He's right about me being plain though... And thank you all for ignoring Mark Casarotto's exhortations to vote for me in the list crush. I did what I did for Honey, so if you must vote, vote for him. Or yourselves, you collectively with the guidance of our surrogate mummy do a hell of a lot more for this list than me blathering on about nonsense. Erm, get back to me about the Stereolab thing privately please. That's where I started, and that's where I'll end. I'll buy you beer or something if you can help, or I'll make you a tape containing novelty cover versions. Or something else completely different. Ailsa xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Lips, selfishness, glassies and biscuits (more rubbish)
by Tim Hopkins 19 May '99

19 May '99

Good afternoon, you fine fellows. I hope you are all feeling well today. My arms and legs hurt and I am a little saddle sore on account of having been riding a bicycle for the first time in fifteen years. It's true what they say: once you've forgotten how to ride a bike, you never remember it again. I have been away for a few days, so I've a couple of things to say. I thought I'd bung them all in one long message to make it easier for you to delete. Do yourself a favour, do it now. Beth Bobbins said: >the flaming lips. What can I >say. Go and see them live. They are orgasmic. Hey, they are POST orgasmic. When I read this, I immediately had a vision of all the women in the audience looking pissed off and wondering when the fun would start, and all the men snoring contendedly. Oh. Was that too much information? Or did I get the wrong end of the stick? Later in the evening, Elish contributed the following... >I know that they, themselves, aren't >in it for the money, but it is really none of our business. And >even if >they were - who wants to spend their life in a dole que? It's probably deeply irrational and can't be justified on a pure theoretical basis, but actually how an artist feels about her/his art is quite important to me. I often feel very uncomfortable with music or other art which is (as far as I'm concerned) made *for* the money. I think being 'in it for the money' is just about the worst reason I can think of for making art. (Propogating hate politics would be worse I suppose, but I'm sure you know what I mean). >What is so wrong with making money? I think there's something wrong with money being someone's principal motivation for making something. Some of us work to make money such that we can fund the other things that we want to do. I'd rather have it that way round than make a perverted version of something I love because I 'have to make money'. I'm not saying B&S have done that, incidentally. Money changes everything. >More to the point, all this aside, when have you EVER known Jeepster >or >B&S >(AS A BAND) to steer us wrong and take advantage of us. Aside from, let's say, the odd limited-edition 7"s that some people are already desperate for, and unable to get hold of? >Sometimes it sounds like people are being a weeny bit selfish by >asking >all >these questions. Sometimes I think that an entirely uncritical attitude to anything(except perhaps Vic Godard) might be a bit of a problem. >I think it is disrespectful to carry on >about these things when Jeepster and B&S have always done right by >the >fans. My attitude towards Belle and Sebastian is not a very critical one, but that surely doen't mean that I shouldn't say that they're doing things wrong if I think they are. I think the whole Tigermilk reissue issue has been disastrously handled, and it has led to desperate fans paying over the odds (their choice, I know, but not an unpredictable one)and extensive bootlegging. Neither of which the band claim to want. It's an old issue, and one that has been thoroughly played out in the archives, but it serves as an example. Please note that I'm not saying that anyone has the right to tell B&S what to release and how and when, but at the same time that doesn't mean they have 'always done right by the fans'. This doesn't mean that I don't love B&S completely, either, because I do. As for Jeepster, I think their attitude towards this list it has left some things to be desired from time to time. But that's a whole 'nother story. >This email may not win me any friends here, and I am sorry. I hope it hasn't made you any enemies either. I'm all for a bit of informed discussion. More of this later, perhaps. You never know your luck. Nasty Dickstoor said: >...Least of all FluffySarah - she's a gun totin' bitch from hell.I >mean >Preston. And Contessa ffluphington-Sarah of Preston Manor wrote: >I've cheered up now. I have also eaten a Marble for post-exam comfort Blimey! A *marble*? Was it a clear one, or one of those with little wisps of colour in them? I knew you were hard, but actually eating marbles for comfort post-exams? Do you chew them like rock, too hard to take any notice of the shards of glass embedding in your gums? Bloody hell. Do you use ballbearings for bubble gum? Murder on your fillings, I bet. As for those of you moaning about the state of the list, if nothing's happening, bleedin' well make it happen. I always think that mailing lists are in trouble when they become too obsessed with their own internal workings. I am quite interested, however, in the fact that Belle and Sebastian fans have managed to take on the mantle of sad twee biscuit nibblers that 1980s indie-pop kids were given. And the truth of the matter is so often very different: you only had to look around the savage, slavering mayhem which constituted the Sinister corner in the bar at Bowlie to know that. Most of the tweeness you see/read is distinctly self-deprecating. And I'd 100 times rather skip over a slighly sickly mail than put up with crappy internet brawls or gross intimidation. What else? I have been living about 150 miles from my record collection for around six months, and I am starting to notice myself getting the urge to play peculiar records that I haven't dug out in years... 'The Apple Stretching' by Grace Jones, 'Bustin' Out' by Material, that version of 'Angel of the Morning' which is on 'Tighten Up Vol.1', even Aztec Camera's version of 'Jump' by Van Halen and Dexy's Midnight Runners' version of 'Margarita Time' by Status Quo. Strange how deprivation can make you want unusual things. I feel like a pregnant woman craving cashew nut ice cream with hundreds and thousands made of ground up bricks and spiders legs. Mmmmmm, chitin. Yeah yeah, I know, I look like a pregnant woman, too. Cheers. Anyway, gotta go. I've a large pile of copies of 'Atom Heart Mother' 'Surfer Rosa' and 'The Bends' to use as clay pigeons before matron brings supper. Cheerio Tim. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". 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Sinister: strangers in paradise
by Arantxa Sanz 19 May '99

19 May '99

Starting with uppercase : I cannot live without dots, parragraphs, uppercases and so on. Pshycho analize me , please! I must be totally digested by the system , my degree of creativity tending to zero and my mind as squared as Rubik's cube. Hard to avoid : Iain Hamilton. Everything has already said, I joined the discussion a bit too late I am afraid.Perhaps he just wanted his 30 seconds of celebrity,even if virtual one,he just tried to show his wit and wisdom and make us laugh, maybe he was not brought up properly...To me, it is very difficult to express an opinion about Iain, the man, as I had not ever seen him live. If as already someone else commented, he just thought all of us being fakers and phoneys,my personal view is when I meet someone supposedly sharing likes and dislikes with me and I just feel this person is fucking disgusting, biased, bigotred, selfish or classist ,my stomach revolts much more than in any other case, as I think he /she has no right to ...It sounds really fascist of me, probably. But I do not feel that way here.Some messages are annoying and stereotypical, some are just fantastic, but judging real people on the grounds of their postings is a difficult subject.But I cannot believe he really wanted to hurt us.Or am I just too naive? Changing rooms, that's it, let's talk about something new and far more interesting.I agree with Antje, people seem not to listen /read what the rest is posting to the list and initiate monologues with no response.Try to make conversation,kids!Pamela will not be a teenager in five days anymore.Oh, everybody has to cross that Rubicon, darling!Take advantage during these three days to do all sort of things which become embarrasing even when they are pleasant after certain age, like wearing tarty miniskirts, go to iceskating, watch horror movies, and really trust your favourite magazine horoscope, apart from trying to put in practice all those wise suggestions about 'How to pull that boy you fancy in your Maths class and who ignores you'. What about an Eurovision party? I will prepare the Dry Martinis! Love Arantxa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Seattle Sinsiter... A Bootleg Message Board....
by Elish Hope 19 May '99

19 May '99

ATTENTION AMERICANS!!! Not to be nationalistic or anything, but this is a meek hello to anyone (American or Canadian) who lives in the Northwest - Seattle, Oregon, Idaho. The success of the Sinister list is in its 'meet-ups' and pic-nics. Sadly, when we are all the way over here, it is not possible for us to join in..... So being the brazen hussy that I am, I set up a new board for people in the Northwest to post to each other for meet ups and the like. It's small and fledgling, but over time we can grow with a little effort. Looper is on his way here and there are a few other goings that there could be meet-ups at. If you don't want to post a message you can post me direct : ehope(a)nwmls.com I hope you'll drop us a line if you are in the area... Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: something weird for the week
by Power15755＠aol.com 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hello again, there was something else I wanted to say, but forgot in my last post. Ana said: << o smt. more interesting: The thing that triggered me from my big sleep is the discussion started in my last sinister-digest, about the list containing too few discussions and being a place where (quite a few) people try to kill their boredom writing the 'adventures of their everyday life'. No, don't get me wrong, I DO ENJOY reading that kind of posting once in a while, but I can't get rid of the impression, that there is less and less connection between the things people write in the list. True, I noticed that as well. I'm only on the list for about 2 months now and I don't know what it was like before, but there hardly seems to be any kind of conversation going on here at all. Maybe there are just too many people on the list now, I don't know. I think the more there are, the harder it gets to get to know each other, too. I just wish I had joined earlier. I don't even have an excuse for not doing so ... Anyway, have a good night! Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: good stores
by Francis Lovely 19 May '99

19 May '99

I know it may be sound silly, after such a long (and interesting debate) , but since there are only two weeks left for me in London, can you tell me if there is any good music shop in London apart from the usual ones and Rough Trade? I mean one with good prices/strange stuff and/or bootleg. I'm really looking for B&S bootlegs, live recordings, because I only own their offical records (apart from a crap cassette copy of tigermilk). Thanks in advance. Love to everyone. Francesco. P.S. I don't know if you have noticed it before but Alisa is by far the best writer on the list (easy to read, plain and with a lot of things to say....) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: we take over mtv
by Power15755＠aol.com 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hi! << ok i'm not sure if this is on the jeepster, web site or what. but apparently on June 1st MTV UK and Ireland will be having a Belle and Sebastian 1 hour special! >> Is this true? If so, can someone record it and send me a copy, pleeeeeez? I don't have anything to swap, but I'd pay lots of money! (For any other videos of B & S too, by the way.) I hate the people who thought it would be a good idea to split MTV Europe into 3 parts, because I can only watch the German version now, which is complete crap. Oh, and someone asked for a Bowlie tape again. Do any recordings of B & S's set actually exist? If I had a tape, I'd make 1,100 copies of it and send it to all of you. ;-) Bye Antje +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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