June 1999 - Sinister - missprint.org

Re: Sinister: Shaved Heads, Smiths, and prom queens who don't shave
by Jygsaw18＠aol.com 01 Jul '99

01 Jul '99

my computer told me natasha said: In I Know Where The Summer Goes, I thought that "I know where the summer dwells/ When your underarm smells" was "I know where the summer dwells/ When you're under our spell". The concept of context (try saying THAT 3 times quickly [*] ) is again blatantly disregarded and overruled by the conviction that the mishearing "sounds good". Well it does. And while we're on the subject, the first time I heard Music Sounds Better With You, I thought the "Love might bring us back together" line was "Last night we slept together". (end quote) My theory was going to be that Natasha doesn't want to think about dirty things, so she didn't let herself hear the real meaning, and subsituted under our spell to replace it. but then in the next paragraph she mentions a mishearing that, well, was rather rude, infact more so than underarm smells. so that shot my theory down nicely. I think Natasha is actually a closet sex maniac, and she didn't want us to figure this out, but she feels guilty and wants to tell people too. So she threw in a diversionary paragraph, hoping no-one would notice. Unfortunately sinister is composed of smut-fiends and other rude things. So there's no surprise for us, Natasha. We love you anyway,and your post made me laugh. lesley jo said: in the decade of coke-snorting and fabulous excess, who was wondering about the private alienation of some lonely disenfranchised sad teenager?? i'll bet the smiths music made an impact in more people than we can imagine. to which i say well, i think the coke snorting and fabulous excess of the eighties has been played up quite a bit. and as far as who was worrying about the alienation of a teen? All of Morrissey's fans (there seem to be lots) and, probably, a good many worried parents who wonder why their children mope and carry flowers in their pockets. i like the smiths. But a good many of the smiths fans I have met in person (not you people! please listen!) are overly mopey and self-absorbed. I can't seem to figure it out. It's like they want to live up to some sort of stereotype. I have in mind one particular person here.. sometimes i get so frustrated with him. But that is not the fault of YOU people, and I won't go on about it. and I love what Lesley Jo had to say about feminist overload forcing her to go to the solace of pink fluffy things and sanrio. Her letters are always so great... I am also incredibly impressed with the mature and calm way that Joseph and Chris resolved matters. Good show, gents. You didn't make Listmummy get up from her nap and scold you. The Lovable Prom Grrl said: but my relatives throw those facts out at me and my friends all the time. "Don`t be a slave to someone else`s standards." "Hair naturally protects you from the elements." Alright.I like SMOOTHNESS though,but that`s just my own opinion.Maybe some girls enjoying braiding their leg hair,it`s all a matter of preference,baby! It`s all good. Like Stuart...he`s s-m-o-o-t-h with the chicks. whats with those men shaving commericals anyways?>> two comments: One: am I the only Belle and Sebastian fan with a shaved head? I just did this recently, and most people seem to think that I would like PUNK ROCK and kicking minorities in the teeth with steel capped boots. In fact all i want to do is kick Pete Waterman in the teeth with steel capped boots (old grudges die hard) Two: If girls can grow out leg hair, can I shave mine off? I don't like being hairy; except for facial hair, and even that's too much sometimes. Or does that qualify me as a homosexual? (to all list gays: I mean this as a joke, so no angry emails please, find one of the other offensive things in this letter to poke at) And I don't know what's up with men's shaving commercials. What's up with those Tampax ads? you know, the ones with hippies in the mud and jocks bellyflopping in the water at Cancun, then at the end of the commercial it says "tampax was there" Colin spoke of peru and said: I don't want to go on my own cos that would be too scary and bandits might rob me, so if you do want to come i would prefer a big person who looks mean.>> see my previous comment about bald heads and boots Buccaneer Blake "Iron Jim" Hamilton sneered: Isobel equals pure cuteness and i'd flag down her departing caboose faster than you could say "neverland, ha!".>> I suspect that "Iron Jim": is trying to say that he wants vicious up the bum sex with Isobel. Which i find rather terrifying, and I hope someone at Jeepster will alert Isobel to keep an eye out for a US listee with an eyepatch who dances to recorder solos. that's enough. thanks for reading this far, if in fact you have dave +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: no weathershow for me
by Bellequasi＠aol.com 30 Jun '99

30 Jun '99

i recieved the 45 months ago yet i finally am writing for your help now. i think it was asked about b/f but how do you play it? the oval hole is too small for the player. thanks, kristie:) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: you had me several years ago, when i was still quite naive
by Christa Chaffinch 30 Jun '99

30 Jun '99

hey party people. i am bored. ENTERTAIN ME! oh, ok, i'll entertain you. (well maybe not) i start my new job here tomorrow. i got a raise, and everything. i hope i like this change. i'll be working with a better group of people and it won't be *quite* so tedious, but getting a new boss and all of that is semi- stressful. i hope all goes well. ever since a conversation i had last week with jessicaxo, i have decided that i want to have the job that Amanda Woodward had on Melrose Place. she wore all those skimpy clothes to sit around her office and look at pictures all day. and she could always "do it" with boys on her desk during her lunch hour. and then she could boss people around, push ex-boyfriends out of windows and go shopping when she was supposed to be at work. this appeals to me on so many levels. Dave wrote: What's up with those Tampax ads? you know, the ones with hippies in the mud and jocks bellyflopping in the water at Cancun, then at the end of the commercial it says "tampax was there" its supposed to be referring to the fact that tampax has been around for a long time.. you know, since the LATE 60'S!!! and that, therefore, women should find their brand more trustworthy/cottony/absorbant.. or something. eeep! i went absolutely nuts and bought way too much music this weekend. (ok, that's not possible, but i did spend a lot of dough). i got (finally) the gentle waves and dammit all to hell, i like it! its Pretty, and her voice sounds like the woman from the Cranes on some songs, which is neat. i also got the new Ghost LP- Snuffbox Immenence. i heartily recommend this to everyone, its just downright gorgeous. oh god ok, have i bored you enough? don't answer that. i feel better though, and frankly, that's all that matters. kissed out red float-boat , :) -christa +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: we could be happy underground
by Archel 30 Jun '99

30 Jun '99

i think i made myself some luck by listening to happy music. i am convinced this is possible, and will certainly not be listening to The Smiths before any job interviews in the near future. i got my final degree result yesterday and it was a first. i have jaw-ache from smiling so much. i was completely shocked, largely because i have spent the past year slagging off academia and (as a matter of principle, of course) neglecting the soaring marvels of shakespeare, coleridge, orwell, levi, donne, plath, atwood & c. so it must have been luck. plus, i threw myself on the mercy of my bank (which fortunately was grassy and springy so i had a soft landing... sorry, sorry). and i am no longer in financial crisis, though i am still very much in debt. (ben folds five sing in the background: "give me my money back you bitch, i want my money back." a great song and not bitter at all...) so i won't be going to my grad ball dressed in rags after all, although i'm sure i won't be as resplendent as genevieve was in her prom dress. ("you wear those shoes and i will wear that dress, kiss me...") i feel i can now go back to poignant music like b&s without drowning myself in tears. although i am still parted by an ocean (well, the english channel) from my beloved and therefore cannot partake in the joys of slow dancing as described by the incandescently fabulous lesley jo. ("i want to dance, i want a drink of whiskey") to shave or not to shave: i also think this is totally a matter of individual choice, although it is interesting to ponder on the social factors which made it an option in the first place. (the poet herrick used to go into rhapsodies about ladies' thighs, smooth like an egg, and this was well before gillette came along. wishful thinking peut-etre?) but it's a gruesome shame when women with diverse qualities, talents and inner beauty are stereotyped with reference to what they choose to do or not with their body hair. while i wouldn't want to suggest that men are immune from being stereotyped (eg. pink shirt = gayboy), there does seem to be much more of a tendency to focus on women's appearances rather than achievements, weaknesses rather than strengths. hence any strong emotion is seen as irrationality/petulance/hysteria/bitchiness/man-hating (i'm thinking of emotions as expressed by female songwriters here) whereas it is entirely expected that men should get moony about lost love and shouty about... well, anything really, providing they combine it with a guitar solo to prove that they're serious. men can seemingly admit to the most pathetic or shocking of emotions in song without being vilified (unless they're Morrisey, apparently) but heaven FORBID women should admit that they sometimes feel really quite angry with their ex-boyfriends, or have periods. blood, sweat, tears? ugh, how disgusting, how weak, how HUMAN. ("this girl i know, she's on the rag...") okay, i know feminism isn't totally on-topic, and probably has the effect of cold kedgeree down the neck to most people, but i'd say b&s were pretty feminist, in that the female characters which people struan's songs are tenderly drawn and explored as having profound emotions and difficulties and generally being thinking subjects rather than the fantasy inamorata of so many (male-authored) love songs. b&s are clearly not revolutionary, as lj points out, and we need them because WE'RE WEAK. but at the same time they're not totally unimportant in the grand scheme of things, if you ask me. (you didn't? oh, well never mind.) they obviously do a pretty good job of making an awful lot of us feel better about ourselves, whether we're male, female, gay, straight, happy, sad, whatever. that concludes today's lesson, children. go forth and be nice to one another. and to give the last word to ABBA, naturally enough i feel: "who could live without it, i ask in all honesty what would life be? without a song or a dance what are we?" much love, archel xxx ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Playforth do something pretty while you can don't be afraid rap101(a)york.ac.uk skating a pirouette on ice is cool http://members.tripod.com/~RPlayforth/welcome.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Drink,sleep,mistakes and the smiths
by Matt Powell 30 Jun '99

30 Jun '99

Hello sinister people I discovered last night one of the main problems of enjoying the odd tipple here and there. I fell asleep (in a drunken haze, obviously) at around ten oclock and didnt wake until two in the morning, and Id completely bloody missed the B&S special on MTV. Me mum knew I wanted to watch it, and bless her, she tried to tape it for me, but being old she cant use things like video recorders (can I say that?) . If there is anyone (london based) who taped it and is going to the picnic on Saturday Id really, really appreciate it if I could borrow it. I visited a friend at his university this weekend and I had the chance to listen to a copy of a copy of a copy etc. of Tigermilk, but I passed it up. I could possibly be the only sinister listee who hasnt heard it yet, but I thought that I might as well wait the two weeks to hear it properly. Did I do the right thing I wonder? Probably not. On a different note, I must publicly thank Chris McQuain for his brilliant defence of the Smiths. Ive never been blessed with the most creative or eloquent writing style and I was pleased to find that everything that I felt and feel about the Smiths had already been posted, but by someone with a rather superior writing ability. I'd also like to congratulate the organiser of Tigermilking (a few weeks ago now I know, but I went on holiday straight after, and this is the first opportunity Ive had to write about it) and especially DJ Mark (I think) for putting up with my drunken ramblings. A great time was had by all and I cant wait for the next one (anyone any idea when?). Bye Matt ps this is only my second post, and i'm still too shy to enter the real points of discussion, but give me time. pps would someone mind mailing me privately the details for the picnic on saturday, as i dont think i have them. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: a late night snack
by Blake E Hamilton 30 Jun '99

30 Jun '99

to all my sleepy cheery friends, well i just tried to go to sleep, but alas it did not work, and now i am stuck here flagrantly trying to convince my eyes to stay in their downright locked positions. oh the humanity of it all! the conflict! though i did have a b&s dream last night. well, it didn't have cheery Isobel in it (we'll get to that in a minute) but it did have the music, indeed it did. well i was in a big room with a bunch of my mates from high school (don't ask) and i was trying to explain to them why b&s were so great. i went on and on about the extraordinary amount of reverb on everything and how they were an 8 piece extravagant wall of sound, and then i played sleep the clock around and actually danced, yes i danced, in my dream. i could actually hear the music, oh what a night, yes the stars were indeed smiling. Isobel equals pure cuteness and i'd flag down her departing caboose faster than you could say "neverland, ha!". well, that was somewhat crude. i best be going to sleep now. harbourfest tomorrow night, the pretzel/snowcone boy will be there, will you? love, blake xx the nerdy shy eyed pacifist -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- "Fuck!" - Jarvis Cocker +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: let's all go to peru
by Colin Campbell 30 Jun '99

30 Jun '99

does anyone out there want to go to peru with me? I decided yesterday to go to peru, but i can't convince any of my friends to come with me. We can climb up to the ancient inca city of machu pichu and listen to Belle and sebastian as the sun rises over the mountains, and then sacrifice some virgins, or something, to please the sun god. Honestly it'll be fun. Why peru you ask? well cos that's where paddington bear comes from, and as we all know paddington wears a lovely duffel coat and red wellingtons, and cos I want to buy an alpacca sweater and a poncho. I don't want to go on my own cos that would be too scary and bandits might rob me, so if you do want to come i would prefer a big person who looks mean. I want to go see hefner ion glasgow as well but i cant cos i have to look after my little sister while my parents are away for their 25th wedding anniversary, poo. colin. making absolutely no sense. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: gilette sensor or mach 3
by Genevieve Wesley 30 Jun '99

30 Jun '99

Dear List, Why talk about music when we can talk about body hair! Yay body hair!Oh come on.Don`t you roll your eyes at me! When the new album comes out,then you can have your day.For now...it`s the fun stuff. I`ve never read the Joy Of Sex,or Our Bodies Our Selves,but my relatives throw those facts out at me and my friends all the time. "Don`t be a slave to someone else`s standards." "Hair naturally protects you from the elements." Alright.I like SMOOTHNESS though,but that`s just my own opinion.Maybe some girls enjoying braiding their leg hair,it`s all a matter of preference,baby! It`s all good. Like Stuart...he`s s-m-o-o-t-h with the chicks. whats with those men shaving commericals anyways? it`s always some guy flying a fighter jet at warp speed and he has to stroke his chin about a thousand times. (hey,I sound like a comedien! `whats with airplane food` etc etc) and I still can't >imagine anybody not thinking Isobel is pretty. well maybe if you just saw her by herself,but then you see Stuart Murdoch and he is SO way prettier than her...a bazillion googleplex times more,even.The story wasn`t made up by the way.Scout`s Honour.I think Isobel`s just got her Witchy Woman spell on you. Yeah...like I`m going to spend an evening talking about how good Belle and Sebastians music is...I might as well put a big L on my forehead! If I`m going to talk about them,its going to be a giggle fest,for sure.I better be careful ...I seem to be getting misunderstood here.Like,WAY outta it,but it`s ok. (*slams door and stomps foot* No one understands me! boo fecking hoo! heh heh)I think it`s a communication thing..maybe were getting lost in the quebec vibe. LesleyJo wrote: AND let me vent a little bit. it really irks me when people have the >impression that the only thing qualifying you as a "woman" or "feminist" is >not to shave your armpits. or that if you like to wear dresses or >something, you can't be a "real" woman. the whole point of the feminist >movement was so that women could CHOOSE the way they want to be, and men >too, so anyone who wants to can wear a dress, or choose not to shave their >legs or whatever. I guess i shoulda been more specific...but that`s kind of what I meant!What you were saying is what I was saying...were singing the same song,angelpants. (You don`t mind me calling you angelpants,do you?)well,maybe not...the words get a big jumbled with me.So,most of the times it`s best to just pat me on the head and nod and blink vancantly when I attempt to talk about serious things.I wasn`t arguing that,thats what I WAS saying that going `I dont do (hairy legs, non hairy legs,whatever) therefore I am a feminist` is wrong...aie yie yie,I should just shut it right now.It`s been done,done,done before Genevieve...oh alright.Serious face. Ok fine Tim Hopkins,she`s not a COLD FISH.Although I had no idea what you were going on about there.She`s a BURNT MARSHMALLOW.("Oh stop it." "No YOU stop it!") oh who wants to talk about women anyways, eew! lets talk cartoons, or skinnydipping,even better.Just kidding! har dee har, ok, not funny.I know. lotsa l-o-v-e, The Maybe Not So Mean And Nasty Prom Girl ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re: Sinister : Renne and Renate
by Martin 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

Hello again, I wish I had something to apologise for as that seems the current thread so I'll give it a go. Who would think that 80's pop with that bloke with the whiney voice and rockabilly quiff could raise such a fuss eh? Like the Sleater-Kinney thing previously I always had a voice barrier with the Smiths. All personal opinion of course and the guitar intros are all very dandy but when said wearer of said quiff chips in his two-penny worth it doesn't work for me anymore. So naturally I always say I hate the Smiths when asked. Though I was converted into liking "Please, Please, Please..." maybe due to its shortness. As a wise man (or closet Tennis fanatic) said earlier: "What better place to have hatred? In fact, I can't imagine how it is possible to love pop without hating because pop, for me, is so bound up with self identification and picking more or less arbitrary sides..." - Tim Hopkins I must concur. And while I'm ranting I'll also have to disagree with Lesley's pro- Abba stance. I think they're utter shite, I don't like "Shuttap ya Face" or Renee and Renate's "Save my Love" (I can't get the last two out of my head for some reason again it must be a summer thing) but as least I don't have to listen to them everywhere I go. Though I must agree about Madonna though as I love Get Into the Groove and was very distraught when I warped my 12" when I was a lad (I hope that's taken out of context). Anyway, which day is the preferred choice of picnic-ing in London this weekend. As I don't want to go twice as I hear you can overdose on Scotch Eggs and Quiche. Also never mix your savouries. Must dash some band's on MTV or something... Te ra, Martin +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: birthdays and mondays always get me down...
by Guilherme Barrella 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

hello sinisterines, why i get so depressed every year, on my birthday? i'm feeling so bad that i can't use my shift key - and i thought this would never happen to me. i'm thinking of something to do because i'll be the birthday boy, next friday. sorry, i misquoted carpenters in my subject line and now belle and sebastian... btw, i have a friend that said that every time he listens to belle and sebastian, carpenters come to his mind. i don't know, but this happens to me sometimes. what do you think? i shouldn't say this in the middle of the smiths/belle battle but, i already said... hum, what else? may i talk about radiohead a bit? i just want to recommend their new video documentary, "meeting people is easy". it's so beautiful. and i'm not saying that because i'm a fan. i almost forgot that the video was about radiohead. it's a beautiful movie about how life can be sad, even if you're a popstar. i couldn't hold my tears in some parts. i love it, and i can't really explain, sorry, you have to see it for yourselves. oh, may i ask a favor, to the french sinisterines? i'm a huge fan of a band called spain and their new album "she haunts my dreams" comes with a free bonus cd. but the bonus cd can be found only on the fnac store - not available through the internet, i tried. anyway, i'll send you the money - including postage - if you'd be kind enough to pick up the new cd plus the free bonus cd for me. again, the cd is called "she haunts my dreams" and it comes with a free bonus cd containing demo versions of "dreaming of love" and "phone machine" as well as a live track. i guess i'm being repetitive, sorry. oh, needless to say but i'll say it anyway. spain is a great band, you should all check them out. ok, i'm out of here. e-mail me privately, please. peace, gui ps - i'm listening now to a beautiful band, lullaby for the working class. and i don't even have a job. and i feel worse. pathetic. pps - don't ask how i could use ? and " without using the shift key... you wouldn't understand... and i couldn't tell either. but, if you look carefully, you'd realize that i couldn't do the same trick with the parenthesis. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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