June 1999 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: boo hiss
by Mike Jones 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

sigh...my fulltime summer job begins on july 10...no nyc picnic fr me. methinks i shall organize some sort of suare'. (did i even come remotely close to spelling that? i feel somewhat guilty seeing that my girlfriend calls me the chief of grammar police) are there any serge gainsbourg fans here? im a tad surprised i've heard nothing of mr g on the list since my arrival into the nursery. also...i remember what i wanted to ask in my last post. could any fans of felt drop some advice on a "beginner's guide", i.e. a good album of theirs to start with. i'm terribly intrigued from all i hear about this band. i've also been on a quest for the first orange juice record...i had a feeling i'd have to resort to traveling to ther music in nyc for it, but that's a post drift... has anyone else felt like their summer is taking on an incredibly unusual mood? perhaps it's just the fact that now that i am 17 things are really changing...i'm taking lessons with a driving instructor and starting the miasma of college searching and future-planning...it seems as though the summer isn't...fun anymore. well, because of such, i've been recording songs on my stereo/karaoke-war-machine using lots of toy instruments, a casio sampling keyboard (incredibly prehistoric) and a tushload of field recordings... a lot of it is reminiscent of beck's old 4-track tapes (golden feelings, fresh meat & old slabs) and smog's julius caesar LP (which i recommend to everyone...bedroom recordings at their best.) nothing revelatory, just silly lil songs from a silly lil boy. if anyone would like a copy of my silly tapes to listen to on a rainy day, send me yr address and i will give you a copy. ok. i hope you are all ok... aloha, mike j adrock(a)netrom.com **ape shall never kill ape** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: read 'em and sleep (long and NBSC)
by Tim Hopkins 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

Genevieve wrote: >cold fish ...mmm, yes, to be recommended... although cold seafood in general is something of a favourite. Raw can be good... had some very, very nice raw octopus the other week. Ate them whole. Mmmm....ink. Do oysters count as fish? Shellfish? Dunno, but of course you not only eat them cold, you not only eat them raw, you more or less eat them alive. Yum. <Editor's Note: Graphic description of oyster-murder excised here courtesy of Sir Cliff Richard Editorial and Self-Restraint Services Limited> And then, apparently, they go and make you all frisky, although I was eating them with my brother and felt no such frissons. Honestly. See, Genny? A cold fish is in fact a well-hard spiky pop phenomenon for nasty kids with refined tastes. Better think of a new insult. Sarah admitted: >So anyway last night when I slapped my friend Ross >for liking a few >songs off the first Gomez album You slapped your friend for liking Gomez? When everyone knows that the summary sentence handed down by the High Court of P!O!P! for Gomez-appreciation is having all the skin on your feet peeled off and then being made to stand in a washing-up bowl full of vinegar while being laughed at by schoolchildren and having broken Pearl Jam CDs shoved up your nose? You're on a charge, missy. >IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK TO ALLOW ME TO HAVE HATRED! No. >ITS POP MUSIC AND ITS PLASTIC! Charge revoked. What better place to have hatred? In fact, I can't imagine how it is possible to love pop without hating because pop, for me, is so bound up with self identification and picking more or less arbitrary sides... >>who could >>be more innocuous, sweet and harmony-inducing?? >YEAH cos this is what we want in Pop music isn't it, >more la la la sweet >harmony yeah innocent yah-de-yah. Innocuousness is the *worst possible* pop-crime. Worse even than kitsch, which is the least pop impulse in the world. Apart from innocuousness, of course. And guitar solos. Oooh. I've just made myself feel sick. I'd be very happy to see a full-blown debate about feminism on the list, primarily for the reason that it would have to beat the hell out of talking about frigging cartoons. Actually, I think we should have a discussion about cartons. Has anyone noticed how the standard issue tetrapaks which replaced old fashioned milk bottles in the UK during the course of the 80s are now only ever available in corner shops, and even then rarely, and have been superceded by a dizzying array of arrangements for getting milk from your carton...press-in spouts, plastic screw-tops ... the works, pal. However, many cartons of orange juice still have that dreadful arrangement where you have to cut / tear / bite / saw the corner of the carton off to get at the juice within. Some thoughtful packagers added a diagonal serrated line but it never bloody works and you always end up with a nightmarish tri-spout arrangment where any attempt to direct the orange juice into a glass results in at least two puddles of juice lying on the worksurface / carpet / bedclothes / wherever. We could *choose* to change that of course, to use the power of the orange juice buyer to make a real difference to carton spouts. It just so happens that we don't. We have the choice to buy *just exactly whoever's orange juice we want to*. In whatever carton. We just happen to *like* particular cartons and not like other cartons. That's how we make our choice, nothing more than that. That's what liberty means. That's why we *fought* the cold war in the first place. Ain't freedom great? I went for some Spanish food on Saturday, and was offered 'a free shot of Passion Juice' by the waiting staff. Mister Miller, or Arantxa, or whoever, please advise whether this is normal behaviour in Spanish restaurants. Naturally I declined the offer. What exactly did I turn down? Tag wrote: > They'd just shown another round of clips > of Anna 'blondy' Kournikova ... And there he was, > face painted with a Union Jack, holding aloft his > Big Breakfast ... our very own number one seed - > Thim H!O!P!kins. Sorry old son, but like many a Port Vale supporter, you were clearly mistaken. I think it is because your eyes were still rolled up in the back of your head and your neck was still in spasm. Easy mistake to make. I was the one dressed all in black waving the sign which said "Abandon All Tennis and PishPotPoshSport NOW!" And I had my face painted with a reproduction of the cover of 'Big Gold Dream' by the Fire Engines. And although I did have a big breakfast, it would have been downright disgusting to hold it up at that stage... it was already well on the way to being fully digested. That's probably enough for now. Oh, except to add that Mark, uninspired middle of the road rock music doesn't stop being uninspired middle of the road rock music just because it's on some pisspoor indie label and it's feted by a handful cretins from the inkies with less than the one brain between them. As a very wise man once said: 'Midway Still? My hairy arse.' Cheerio chums, tim _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". 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RE: Sinister: Proof that I have too much free time
by McQuain, Chris 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

While I think it is unfair to both bands to compare Belle & Sebastian to the Smiths, I must reply to the message below. THIS WILL NOT STAND! Morrissey said it himself: "Don't forget the songs that made you cry/And the songs that saved your life". It's easy to dismiss Morrissey as 'narcissistic' without acknowledging that any time a performer gets on a stage without a paper bag on his/her head, in one way or another they're asking that the spotlight be put on them. This is what P!O!P! is, if you're not going to accept that all pop is a cult of personality (besides faceless mechanical techno drivel) then I don't understand why you would take part in the very cult of personality that the Sinister list is. It's a double standard that completely undermines Joseph's argument. The Smiths got their start on an indie label, were staunchly anti-Thatcher, and are held up today by most as a shining example of an '80s band who did NOT personify their time. Billy Bragg, Mr. Red Wedge himself, was on TV a month ago singing the praises of the Smiths' politically conscious songs, and wishing they were still making new ones. I think that Joseph displays an attitude that is, ironically, much more 1980s than anything you could ever pin on the Smiths. This attitude seems to say that now that the novelty is gone, now that you're no longer a 16-year-old whose very existence is being validated by The Smiths, you can just toss them aside, they're of no use any more, forget about them. In reality, The Smiths were a perfect pop band, I would personally say the best ever, with beautiful music, sadness AND humor, and all of it was so full of hope for kindness and love in the world; any cynicism or spite in the music comes directly from the disappointment of that hope. As I've grown older, I've found nothing but more layers and depth to The Smiths' music. Pigeon-holing it as narcissistic and sad is just lazy, it's jumping on a bandwagon and not thinking for yourself, because any real listen to the Smiths music reveals a range that encompasses pure misery, pure joy, and anything in between. I remember a couple years ago when Luke Haines of the Auteurs/Black Box Recorder dismissed Morrissey, saying 'I don't really care about this man any more'. Now, I LOVE Luke Haines, think he's a genius (everybody go buy the new Auteurs single "The Rubettes" right now!), but when he said that he was revealing an embarrassing anxiety of influence. I refuse to believe that the Auteurs could be what they are without The Smiths being there first, and if The Smiths weren't spinning 'round on Stuart M's turntable, we may have had Belle & Sebastian, but I bet they'd sound a hell of a lot different without that influence. We all know Belle & Sebastian still love The Smiths, even covered 'Reel Around the Fountain', and I would assume most of us on the list wouldn't be so quick to discard them as Joseph is. I fully credit Morrissey for any interest I've ever had in pop music- he was one of the few public personalities who ever seemed really passionate about it, regardless of his sometimes narrow taste. He made it okay to find comfort in your record collection, when people have let you down. This may seem like narcissism or selfishness to some, but in so many ways it really did save my life. I hope I'm not the only one who jumps to the defense of this band. Though I certainly think Joseph has a right to his opinion, I think his arguments are completely baseless, to the point of being merely antagonistic. It worked. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: P68d6ern(a)aol.com To: sinister(a)Majordomo.net Sent: 6/28/99 1:56 PM Subject: Sinister: Proof that I have too much free time Hello All, Just this morning I was thinking about the comments people have made comparing the Smiths to Belle and Sebastian; I came to the conclusion that there is no comparison what so ever. I recently re-listened to some Smiths albums and I realized that they no-longer hold any importance for me at all (except as nostalgia), and the reason for this is the complete self-absorption of Morrissery's lyrics. As I 16 year old I was fascinated by songs such as HAND IN GLOVE, but now all I can say is, "who cares." Not to say that the song is bad (I do think that it is a good song), but the sentiment, the emphasis on the "me" did not appeal to me at all. Thus the difference with Belle and Sebastian (also the difference between 16 year old me and 30 year old me). Both the Smiths and B&S have lyrics that are "sad" but the lyrics of B&S songs seem to find comfort in this sadness; a "we all have bad times, but we will get over it" tone. And the characters in B&S songs are more sympathetic: the characters of Smiths songs, to me, seem to invite nothing but pity. Maybe this difference is due to the difference in the (look out, pretentious word alert) zeitgeist of the 80's and 90's. The 1980s was a time of every man and woman for his/herself; all was about making money and having more toys than the next person. The Smiths were seen as a reaction against this, but I feel that their self-absorption fits right in with this attitude (I know Morrissery was an advocate for animal rights, but this does not take away from the egotism of his music--I am talking about music only). B&S have a wider world view, a very 90's world view, where almost anyone is able to place themselves in the situations of B&S songs (emotional if not actual experience). Listening to a Smiths song one has the impression that every lyric is about Morrissery and his obsessions; listening to B&S one has the impression that they have a view that goes further than their nose. Another way for me to put this is to use an example of what some critic had said about the Beatles: the Beatles music and lyrics was seen as comforting, aurally wrapping their collective arms around the listener. I think that the music of B&S is similar because even though the songs may be sad, so many people (from what I have gathered from postings) listen to B&S and leave feeling better. One final point--the fans. Fans of the Smiths took on not only Morrissery's "attitude" but also his look. I remember hordes of teenagers dressing like Morrissery: the hair, the glasses, even the hearing aid. There was a cult of personality around Morrissery that does not exist with B&S, and this lack of a cult of personality around B&S is not only another difference from the Smiths, but is also a very good thing. Sorry this was so long, but I did try to condense my thoughts. I hope my point comes through. Regards, Joseph PS I noticed that my spell check says to replace "Morrissery" with "morosely"--just a concidence perhaps? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". 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Sinister: sleepy township!
by jj 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

katrina mentioned: >that's about it for now. n.p. the debut album from a fabulous band from >melbourne called sleepy township (on chapter music)... oh oh oh! hurrah! i must second that emotion - sleepy township are so so so excellent and deserve much wider recognition and attention. i can't wait til our vinyl is unpacked so i can listen to this record again. *sigh* moving. ugh. oh well, we're nearly finished with settling in and our new loft is lovely and is just a few short blocks downwind from the folger's coffee roasting plant so it smells wonderful too! anyone who ever finds themselves in kansas city is more than welcome to come by for a visit - i don't suppose there are any sinisterians from the KC/lawrence area out there? i'm a bit lonely in this new place! ups is at the door. must run! xojj +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: General Ramblings of a B+S related nature
by Sarah Wheeler 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

Oi Ailsa said when chit chatting about the soon to come Glasgow piss-up >erm, the opportunity to see if B&S really do stalk Sheeny Sarah, Let me tell you, it's not only B+S......why only the other day, Gerry Love followed me around Partick Safeway. And he looked at my arse and tutted when I put a Curly Wurly four pack in my basket, the git. No wonder he's the only single one in TFC. Looking forward to seeing lots of you on Sunday (and not 'cos I'll be seeing double). Love Sheeny xx PS Ailsa....just got the photo back of Stu Cheekbones, Richard Beard and us in O'Neill's. I'll get it scanned and sent to the Sinister photo page as soon as I can. It's really very good. ======================= Sarah Wheeler Room 106 West Medical Building University of Glasgow GLASGOW G12 8QQ 0141-339 8855 ext.0860/0640 ======================= +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: let's have a picnic in hyde park or somewhere in london
by Rebecka popgirl 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

hey fellow sinister folks, yes becka is comping to London this summer and what would be more pleasant than to gather for a picnic..the summerpicnic of belle mania that is :) I'm taking four of my fellow swedish belle fans with me (jonas one who attneted the swedish meet up and 3 other girls.) Now I'm wondering anyone up for a daypicnic sometime around the 20th of July until the 23rd of july?? we can just have fun time mingle and sing tunes:) what do you recon folks..are there any other folks up to It I shall find out a good spot to meet and a brilliant park to explore.. Anyone have a boule game they can take with them?? so mail teh list and let me know theere's someone nice who want to have a ncie time with some friendly swedish people.. hugs Becka http://travel.to/blondie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: So this is goodbye apologies.
by jarkko frantila 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

I meant second of AUGUST, of course. when my work is staring. Sorry. @--->--- Jake le petit. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: So this is good bye.
by jarkko frantila 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

Good grief. I'm 8th on the crushlist. I truly love you, I do. Well, on a more sadder note now. Yes, I'm not working anymore. BUT: I'll be starting my NEW job (applause!!! cheers!! somebody yawning, get him out of here, this is my party, my pride and joy!) in the second of July, so then I'll be having my own computer again. But, in the meantime, I wont be able to read my mails (or check out the crushlist, arf) that often, maybe once or twice a week. So humour me if you please, and write me a bunch of mails. Please. Plleeeaaaasseee. I beg you. I want to be happily surprised when I'm about to read my mail again. Ok? goody. Kim, luvvy. And Laura.... Grr. =) (Sorry, inside jokes/names) Ok, I'm off now. Merry xmas everone. @--->--- Jake le petit. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: purple prose or is it a pose?
by mike windisch 29 Jun '99

29 Jun '99

hello sinister, (despite the introductory disclaimer, i put some thought and some heart into living the true stories contained herein) it's been some time since I posted. in fact its been some time since I read any list messages. There's been some changes, don't you know. First off, for some odd reason, I stopped listening to our feted group of minstrels for about ten days. the result: depression, a loss of feeling who i know myself to be, and the distinct feeling of not being beautiful anymore. It took a long drive from my new town to my home town, with ample amounts of judy and the dream of rollercoasters to bring me back around. don't let this happen to you. keep those records spinning. As we all know, that rascal stuart often includes some religious content, twisted as it may be, into those pesky lyrics that he uses to carry that divine touch of voice beyond the everyday all too familiar and into that realm of poetic rapture. I too have had some skewed religious occurrences of late that are amusing enough to share. (Musical gifts aside, the main difference between me and stu is that my voice warbles when it talks the sense that takes the heart to hear.) Round one: nothing illuminates the wrongs like guilt Night in a supermarket. Mix of art students and urban poor. Me with a power cord and some amber bulbs in the express lane. 5 percenter empowered black Moslem ahead of me. He clean headed with big ass goatee. The clerk, a greasy kid from the italian side of the spectrum. His friend, coolly lamping by the register is vaguely asian, but more definitively city. "You look familiar," says the brother. "Really?" queeries vaguely asian. "You go to church?" Moslem again. We all stand there silent. I can tangibly feel the collective conscience question when the last time was, and what interim wrong was done. In that pause is something serious. "Well, my moms goes and I think about it now again," vaguely asian answers. This next silence is wholly consumed by the shit eating grin of the righteous one as the clerk bags his purchase. Then the Moslem says: "Well, maybe its too late?" and he's gone. We all stand there silent, shocked, and thinking seriously about our everlasting ends. Emboldened by my own sense of utter damnation, I asked the grease and vaguely if they've ever heard the likes of that bullshit before. "I thought it was all about forgiveness," the grease repeats. (he had said it before to the bad ass righteous one, who simply laughed and left) He bagged and I grabbed my lightbulbs, content that I had bought some food for thought. ------------------ Round Two: An holy threat: - Excuse me sir, can you say how to spell your last name. "Sure thing," he says. "Father Anthony V-e-r-d-e-l-o-t-t-i." - Thanks "If you write anything bad about me in that newspaper, I will hunt you down and shoot you." -Really, I never expected a priest to say that to me. "It's only because I mean it." ------------------------------- Round Three: B&S hook with local shout out: True, it has been some time since I first heard state that I am in, and tacitly gave myself to sin; but it's only been in the past month and relocated to Providence. But, needless to say, never has my peculiar little life so coincided with the lyrical content of that song as the tour of this tiny town that tommy jolt provided for me just a week ago. Our agenda included new spots and harlots, indy film and late night responsible drinking. There was never the appearance of impropriety, but for the entire night i did my damnedest to entertain my crippled friend. for you see, tommy was limping. because he, injured his knee, falling from a barstool with glee. Well you all know now, here in the new sinister proper, why the likes of me posts so seldomly. because no one appreciates an indulgent fuck, with so little to say, as he himself, on each and every of his praise me days. your pal, mike windisch post scribble if any all made it to the end of this post, and enjoyed, give yourself an attaboy and drop me a line of feedback on these true to the last stories. pushing it post scribble If you'll have me i'll go to the nyc picnic and bring the b&s placemats, along with a gangload of cheer. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: there are people going...to the laundromat to wash their sheets
by Mike Jones 28 Jun '99

28 Jun '99

aloha everyone! there's a video fr dirty dream #2?!?!? baaaah yes!!! im going to have to watch m2 furiously now...ive only ever seen "is it wicked not to care" on m2... a wonderfully splendid video. oh wow...i feel so happy i could slap myself...has anyone seen this video? what the hell goes on in it? does stuart have to wash his sheets at the end? (hee hee) hee hee...i wonder what song is playing during "century of elvis"...stuart d may be talking loudly, but not loud enough to conceal the fact that he's speaking right overtop of stuart m's vocals for...that song that was ripped off, hee hee. oh, and blake, thank you fr the info on the stow shirt...as i write this i sit about to order my own stow shirt...may yrs RIP, and david...give the lad a break. have him send his damaged one back and exchange it fr him. there's nothing worse than having yr mum ruin yr favorite tshirt... its happened to me before, so i know where he's at. sigh...how i miss my "i'd rather be breakdancing" tshirt...ok there was something else i wanted to say, or perhaps ask, but im drawing a terrible blank right now. sorry. i'll post the sequel later. aloha, mike j adrock(a)netrom.com **ape shall never kill ape** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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