September 2001 - Sinister

Sinister: follow his elephant into the moon
by Todd Johnson 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

Hi, Tommarow I'm off to see Belle and Sebastian for the first time. I've been a fan for a while and never had a chance to see them preform. Its hard to be exicited as I was when I first bought the tickets, due to the recent tragedy. I am actually nervous to see them, not a clue why though. Kinda sad that I don't have many friends that enjoy B & S. There is one person but she is out of town, so i'll be attending this concert solo. It is nice to have someone to share art with. However I assume the crowd will be filled with fun people, well I don't know this, but I can hope. If anyone on the mailing list is going,(they might have allready posted something, but i haven't had time to read all the e-mails) you can look for me, i'll be the solo character wearing probably a blue jersey t-shirt. yup thats me. okey dokey, Time to chew on plastic cars and paint drums. (Random?) good bye and take care. ===== -Sir Benjamin October Cylde __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Be careful out there...
by Graham Henderson 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

Hmmm...my first post...and not a happy one I'm afraid I hope everyone is safe and well tonight, and all your loved ones too. I've spent the aftermath trying to contact my friend Ali, who has been working in a hotel on Church, in Manhattan, for the last few months. About an hour ago I received word from another NY friend. Ali, it would seem, is alive but hardly well. Having survived this weeks horrific events unscathed he was beaten half to death in the street. Ali is a 27-year old Arab Kuwaiti. Be careful out there people, for yourself and for others. It just seems to me all this should make us stronger, not weaker. Anyway take care, TBWTHE _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Strawberry Fields Forever
by Dimitra 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

-always know sometimes think it's me but you know I know when it's a dream- Me: I don't know, I think this song is my all time favourite. Because... because it seems like the absolute dream...not the strawberry fields themselves, not a place where nothing is real... It's not the lyrics, it's how it feels.... like... everything that as a kid you dreamed they existed... but now you found/know/think they don't exist... Andreea: I remember when I first heard strawberry fields forever... and I know I will have that line stuck in my head, just the way the Beatles sung it, forever. I remember immediately thinking of this strawberry field, where the strawberry vines are really tall, covering most of the height of the person I imagine running through, it's all red and green but still with empty space in between, not just a sea of red, but a sea of strawberries, an endless sea. I never dreamed it much further than that, there was no reason and there is no reason now to think of leaving that field, just being there is enough. Me: I rarely ever cry because of a song, but today, as I was listening to it,I almost did. Instead, I lied there wishing -praying- it existed, that it was all true, and we could all move there. And... I don't know, dream on for yourselves from this point. And yet at the same time my heart was aching for its absence, there was a part of me that knew/thought/believed it was something more than a dream... I don't dare tell you it exists. Not after what happened, not with so many people around. But I would have told you it exists, if you were there to ask me then. It exists... We might not be able to board a boat or a train and go there, but maybe we can make it come true... a wee bit... or maybe more. Andreea: So much of the time we all spend dreaming of something beyond -beyond present, beyond future, beyond our own spaces, beyond ourselves; and then something happens, to bring us back into our own bodies; because at the end of the day it's all we have. We reach so far out in our dreams, that we forget ourselves, our surroundings, we forget what we really have. And we forget that our dreams could not exist for a moment without us, outside of us, we feel they're far away... But really they're closer than all else. So let's let our dreams swim up to the surface of our souls, of our hearts. Me: Our dreams depend on us. As does the beauty in the world. David said :"We are still surrounded by beauty in this world, and it's not as fragile as it seems. Cling to it." Honey said the list is what we make of it. These days, this makes me proud. The world is what we make of it too. (These days, this makes me sad). Don't be scared, cause that what he terrorists want. And don't hate, because that's what they do. Try not to be too sad. Try to understand instead. Don't fight with each other about what it means. Just take a moment to think how the world could have been/become better. Then do something to make it true. How? David also said, and Honey repeated, 'don't let this change who you are'. I'd say, rather, if you change, change for the better. If you have been shaken and shocked, the best you can make of it is to become more true to yourselves. And hang on to your dreams... Andrea tells me to say : "love each other or perish"- w.h. auden, inhale that before you look at it as just words! But I remember her saying too, "go out and look at the sky, sometimes it helps" And I say: Keep the faith, and dream on. Dimitra ps, we both say: If you think there's something you can do to prevent further violence of any kind, especially bombings, make sure you do it. In whichever country you may live in. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: a letter from new york
by carle groome 14 Sep '01

14 Sep '01

I used to be a journalist, more or less getting paid to watch things an tell people about them. Old habits die hard. It was another diamond day, light so bright you can barely look into it, barely see into it. It gets that way, the southern exposure does, where the light comes up from that end of the island. The Towers were down there; you could see them from almost every point of the East and West Villages. There werent any other high rises all the way down to the tip, and they were that tall. As I lie here, we had to close the windows as the wind was coming up from the south. It smells like ozone mixed with burned rubber and chalk dust. Its the same haze that has been hanging around the end of the island for two days, and finally, the wind shifted and its come North. Theyve started counting and it was 800, then 3700, then 4700and you realize its people too, youre breathing people. All the ambulances and police cars and busses and military vehicles and fire trucks coming up Avenue A, trailing dustits not just dust anymore. I can close my eyes and stand right on the corner of Liberty and Church, facing the sunset. To my left, up the block at 77 Trinity Place is the bridge over Church Street to the old Trinity Church, there since the Revolution. Thats where Alexander Hamilton and Robert Fulton are buried. Directly to my left is the Burger King I used to go for snacks and sit on the second floor and watch the traffic heading for the Tunnel. Next to that is the small fire station where the firemen hang out and play tricks with unsuspecting passersby, like tieing a thread to a five-dollar bill and then jerking it away from anyone bending to pick it up. Funny guys. Everyone in the city is walking around like they are stoned, like on top quality grass. And even weirder, they look you in the eye, and smile, and wave, and say, Hello, Are you ok? A candlelight vigil in Washington Square last night was very beautiful, hardly a breeze to disturb the flames, old folk songs by Tom Paxton, Pete Seeger and Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, songs I hadnt heard in decades. Prayer service at St. Marks Churchflyers tacked up on walls everywhere around, pictures of the missing, praise for the cops and firefighterscordons at 14th Street, Houston and CanalCanal being the deadline: cant even go past with an ID. I was there, with my wife and some friends, Saturday night, perfect evening. Another of those free summer shows on the plaza, the Twyla Tharp dance company, doing a piece to a Mozart clarinet concerto and then The Sinatra Suite. Twyla spoke to the crowd at intermission, to answer Q&A about her role in dancing and choreographing "HAIR", mocking some guy who thought the Mozart piece was "hokey", and then she talked about the dance, about motion. And she said something like: When you sit here in this great plaza, under these magnificent towers, and think that everything, even these towers, are in motion, you see the dance in everything. And everybody looked up, and you could see a star right there, and my friend Rick said, thats the Pole Star. And then the Sinatra Suite came on, and it was sentimental and melancholic and utterly entrancing. "Give me one more for my baby/and one more for the road" Right at the corner of 14th and Avenue A, a local artist named Chicohes been doing murals here for 15 yearsthrew up a memorial on the side of the dry cleaners. A spray can vision of the apocalypse and the numbers "911". (That also means "emergency" here in the states, the number you dial when in trouble.) There must be 500 candles out there, in votive glass containers, at least ten times what there was when he did the Princess Diana one. And theres more every hour, and flowers. The guardsmen from the Humvee got down to look at it. My wife called me from the office and said that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. I turned on the tube and ran up to the roof. Looking south from 12th Street, it was on fire, a long black plume in a direct line of sight over the steeple of the Ukrainian Church, the one with that cantilevered double-cross, greenprobably copper gone bad. Then the other tower burst into flames. Couldnt see the plane. By the time my wife got back home and we and we made our way through the crowds carrying water bottles in plastic bags to the Beth Israel Med Center on 16th and 2nd, the line was around the block, all the way around the block. A guy stood in the street and shouted: THIS IS A LINE ONLY FOR MAKING AN APPOINTMENT FOR BLOOD DONORS. YOU WILL NEED TO FILL OUT THIS FORM AND THEY WILL GIVE YOU AN APPOINTMENT TIME. IF YOU HAVE A BLOOD DONOR CARD, PLEASE GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. ALSO, IF YOU HAVE ANY MEDICAL SKILLS OR TRAUMA SKILLS OR GRIEF COUNSELLING, PLEASE GO TO THE HEAD OF THE LINE. IF YOU WANT TO GIVE BLOOD IMMEDIATELY, THERE IS A TEMPORARY CENTER BEING SET UP AT 67TH AND 1ST BUT WE ARENT SURE IF THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE YOU IMMEDIATELY AS WE ARE OUT OF DONOR BAGS. Thats when we ran into Katherine. Her husband Barry came up shortly with two forms saying, I had to go to the copy shop around the corner and make my own, but theyll be coming around with more later. No one seemed to mind. The sound of F-16s flying over are very unique, unlike any other jet Ive ever heard, searing, scorching. And every time they do, spontaneous applause. The discussion spreads to the strange questions on the form, odd diseases no one has ever heard of. In the silence, Katherine says, I know I wont be able to give blood today, but I have to do something. I said, You are doing something, youre doing the one thing that all New Yorkers do best, probably better than anyone else on the planet: You wait in lines. Ran into Ellie when we rounded the corner, she was complaining that, This is emergency preparedness?, gesturing to the solid, unmoving wall of cars and busses along 2nd Avenue. Shortly thereafter, the man came around again, much more hoarse, and said: THIS FACILITY IS NO LONGER ACCEPTING ANY MORE APPOINTMENT FORMS. PLEASE GO TO ANY OF THE OTHER FACILITIESholding up the forms, an unopened orange juice carton clutched in the center of them. We couldnt get any newspapers yesterday; they werent being delivered in Manhattan. Funny how you miss things like that, as if you werent seeing everything on TV. The only paper delivered downtown, oddly, was the downtowns own Village Voice, the freebie. It was the standard weekly, prepared over the weekend, but the cover and one full page story. Headline: THE BASTARDS! And a shot of the plane hitting tower one. Cant remember how many articles its had condemning the police and supporting leftist revolutionary guerillas, and now, it seems there are no atheists in foxholes. And people were grabbing them up as fast as the bales could be untied. The face masks are very popular all over. There are three types: the medical/surgical kind that is a blueish cotton cloth with white backing material that wraps over the ears; the styrofoam micropore cup kind; and the white, rubber band-seal kind used by construction workers. I saw at least one painted with an American flag. Took the Mayors advice and went out to dinner at the sushi restaurant. With us, there were only four people in there, at 7pm on a Thursday night. The woman at the next table asked if we knew if the George Washington Bridge would be open tomorrow. She was supposed to fly to Michigan on Sunday, but decided to drive it instead. Going to see her sister and family seemed, to her, like something she shouldnt put off, couldnt. We talked about Michigan and sang the commercial jingle for the Kroger's grocery store, and laughed. Ive lived in this city for almost 23 years, been through more World Series celebrations than I can remember, a Millenium party, John Lennons death, the Tompkins Square Riots, Wigstocksand this is the first time I think I understand what it means to say: Im a New Yorker. And I'm not a religious man either. But prayers can hurt at all, and, if Pascal's bet is right (probably Gordon knows better than me), they might help. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: lovely thoughts
by Lee & Lisa 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Hello my sweet Sinister family, There is no way to adequately express what I'm feeling right now about Tues., so I won't go into that . Rather, let me say what some others have noticed, and that is , how lovely it is to be here on this list, with kind thoughts lovely words and above all COMFORT in the voices represented on my computer screen. Sinister's a safe haven, that is for certain. One tiny note: I won't be able to attend the Seattle concert, as my flights have been cancelled. I'm a bit disappointed sure, but even though Belle and Sebastian are my favourite band ever and going to see them was a dream of mine, I'm just not that devastated. I continue to hope that I will see them someday, and somehow in the face of all that's happened, it's such a little thing whether or not I get to go tomorrow. I hope everyone who does get to go to the show will have a wonderful time! Dance your butts off, get some things signed by the band, hell, give Stuart a HUG from yourself and ME! We must celebrate beauty and wonder, especially when we need it most. Lots of love to you all, Lisa from Texas +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: "any mans death diminishes me because i am involved in mankind"
by jonathan skinner 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

dear all words can not really express what happened in america and how they made me feel. Perhaps sickened and shocked are the closest i can get to. At school there are 6 people that have no idea whether their loved ones are ok. I am over the pond in a town just outside Cork City and being in a country that has a long history of emigration to the US i am bound to know some that are affected. For instance a friend of mine at school's brother was at the trade centres on friday last in a meeting and was due to be back there on wednesday (yesterday) for one at 9 am . What happened was wrong and no matter what america have done in the past it shouldn't have ended (or should i say) started in this fashion. The thought of 30000 deaths sends a shiver down my spine so much so that i have barely been able to eat for the last couple of days. In ireland tomorrow the taoseach Bertie Ahern announced that there is to be a day of mourning and that everyone where possible should go to some sort of religeous service. That has never happened in the countries history. I am not going to get involved in any of the politics of the situation because it is not worth it- There will always be people that disagree and i don't think now is the time for a political argument or argument of anykind on here. Alot of the posts over the last couple of days have be really touching and although similar each have their own tale to tell and view to put forth. I hope everyone is ok and am glad at least that alot if not most of the NY sinisters are safe - it is unfortunate that the same can not be said about 30000 others jonathan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: short words
by Rachel Playforth 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

we all woke up yesterday in a changed world, one which i feel sick and stunned and scared to be living in. i can't imagine what you are going through in america, but i'm thinking of you all. as if that makes any difference. i thought i would post a poem or something, words of hope, but 'poetry makes nothing happen' said wh auden and i suppose he was right. i can't think of anything big enough to heal this. just love to all of you, archel +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: summer turned to fall pictures on the wall
by Richard Gillanders 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

I'm not sure why I...but. hm. things have happened that made me pull my trousers on back to front. and to want to watch woody woodpecker and enjoy him. and to be able to choose exactly what I think about. you're okay. this is brief. FOR A PICNIC. saturday is FAST approaching. food and chat in the open air. I think I could type some words in french and appear cultured. or appear something. we're still going to meet in the waverley station. it's still going to be at two o'clock. we're still going to be in a huddle. the huddle's still going to be outside wh smith's. and now. we're going to walk. to the west gardens. I should imagine. to near the fountain and the carousel. excited? and there's grass that doesn't slope too much. and the sheltering bits. which we: won't need. I hope. easy, eh? 'marx and engels' on the new single. I think this was predicted in private correspondence between mister ian nicolson and myself. well. kinda. there is a flat being warmed by a party in the evening of the saturday. and one of the flat's occupiers, a harry hunt, has let me know...has made it clear...that anyone who would like to attend this LARGE party after the picnic would be more than welcome. I have his telephone number. ask me. I, myself, am considering this invitation and I know of a couple of people who might also be interested in going. going. tomorrow I'll meet a couple of sinister ones in a train station and we'll have a phone conference with another. and another? and some drinks. this is shaping up to be a sinister weekend. with drinks. spelling isn't everything. but it is important. now. I'm going. going. bye-bye. bye, richard. ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: lovers of the world united
by oon 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Dear all, you have to wonder what can possibly be talked about next to/after what happened. i wish i can think of something nice that can cheer things up. but anything remotedly funny/happy doesn't seem right, or lose effect alltogether. inevitably, i haven't been able to think much of anything else beyond it. i stopped watching the news yesterday, but now having to read/watch everything again and again, trying to understand what have happened and is going to happen. as a person who lives here, Thailand, as far away from the disaster as can be, if this effects me this much, i can't even begin to understand what people in the destroyed area must be feeling. not to think of those who lost loved one must be feeling. the least i can do is sending my condolences and saying prayers for those who suffer in any way. surely every human being everywhere is doing the same. there's nothing more i can express, a lot of list people have already said what i want to say a lot better than i can already. i'm thankful for everyone who are safe. please keep well. all the best, oon xxx +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: We are all equal
by Matthew Henderson 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Well, it looks as though the boredom bug has struck me again. *****SKIP THIS IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE ABOUT WTC, just go to the bottom***** As we all know, a great tragedy struck the US, and perhaps, the world this week. As we all know, everyone is up in arms about something. My thoughts? we're all the same. We should never have supported establishing the Israeli nation. It was not our job, we had no reason to. That was a very bad idea. We continue to support then, which maybe is a bad idea as well, but it is our obligation. I think the Palestinians would slaughter the Isrealis if they had the chance, and vice versa. In my opinion, Palestine is very justified in hating us. However, as much as I hate guns, I do believe that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Supplying the funds and guns to the Isrealis is a far cry from killing thousands of innocent Palestinians in a matter of seconds. America has (and will continue) to make lots of stupid mistakes, but none warrant this kind of retaliation. The Palestinians dancing in the streets disgusts me as well. It is, quite simply, below good taste. However, I look in the local newspaper to read people's comments, and I even talk to my own friends, and realize that Americans are just as disgusting. One quote from the paper: "We should deport all aliens, legal and illegal" Hmm... And another: "Its time to close the borders the United States of America and get rid of the scum that hates this country." And one, even from a 'friend' of mine: "We should have wiped out all those towel-heads years ago in Bosnia..." Not only are many Americans hateful, but incredibly ignorant. I doubt every Palestinian was celebrating in the street, the same way not every American thinks like these poor schmucks. If NATO attacks a country, then we are just as bad as the terrorists, for it was but a few that did this horrible deed, and not a whole country. But until that day, this country, however flawed and foolish it's government is, is still a great country. The mass support of the bloodbanks, the city workers of New York, proves this to me. I think a lot of Americans have done a bang-up job at recovering from this, and a lot of the world had done a great job in showing support. Kudos to you all, and especially sinister (quite possibly the greatest group of people I have ever encountered). I would also like to thank Elise for putting what I was feeling so well. I think the best thing to do is just to move on, and remember those who died so tragically. *******END OF WTC STUFF*************** In other news, I put in my resignation today. I worked there for 5 years, and now I am jobless. A full time student. I'm a bit excited, but you are all going to have to stop me from spending money on CD's and Vinyl. So stop talking about all the great new music, cause I don't want to hear it! I'm closing my ears now.. lalalalalala :) Also, is anyone going to Built to Spill/Modest Mouse or beulah in atlanta? I think all my friends bailed on me for those. :( And where are all the plethora of gig reviews? Come on people, some of us are salivating for more B+S! They always make me happy, especially in troubled times like these. And post some pictures too, I know quite a few of you got pictures with the band. Okay good folks, sorry if I wasted your time. I didn't mean any harm. I love you all. -Matt _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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