September 2001 - Sinister

Sinister: motto
by Santi Trullenque 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

There is a very famous motto here in Barcelona that says: POP WILL MAKE US FREE. I could not be more agree. Keep alive! Santi +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: do something pretty. . .
by Odle, Katharine 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Hello, dear Sinisterees. I should probably begin with the usual disclaimer about being newly out of the nursery, and this being my first post and all, but it seems unnecessary at a time like this. I still can't believe this whole terrible tragedy, and it's bizarre to me to go on as usual, but what else can you do in a situation like this? I feel like I've been in a fog of grief and pain ever since Tuesday when the reality of the horror set in. Although I live on the west coast of the US, and geography was enough to prevent me from losing any of my friends and family in this awful event, I still feel completely stricken by what happened. It has been so strange to just be at work and have to make an effort to go on with the usual daily tasks. Yesterday, I went home and watched the news some more, and was completely flooded with grief again. My best friend called me, which was so comforting, and he convinced me to turn off the television, which was really what I needed. I don't want to ignore what's going on, by any means, but there's only so many times I can watch those horrible images over and over. I feel completely saturated already. I hate the news, too-- the situation in itself is so completely horrific without the newscasters throwing a slant of sensationalism on everything. One of the most disturbing things yesterday was that our city's newspaper (and I'm sure that our's wasn't the only one) published pictures of people jumping out of the building before it collapsed. How completely horrible and disrespectful! I can't imagine what it must have been like to have to have made a decision like that-- to be forced to choose the way to die. It seems sacrilegious to have published those pictures. Think of the family members who will have to see those! How awful! This thing is bad enough without trying to make it into the most dramatic, eye-catching way to sell papers or snag television spots. Anyway, thank you so much for all of your support and kind words. This list has been a remarkable source of comfort. Especially because people have been so careful of other listees' feelings. We have all been profoundly touched and changed by what has happened, and it is nice that we have each other to turn to, as well as the other things that help us find peace and happiness. I would like to echo other posts that have encouraged people to continue to live life and seek joy. It is amazing to me that just last week, I got to experience the beauty of two Belle and Sebastian shows. I was floating on air, and couldn't fathom that something like this could happen. However, it does give me hope that there are many more moments of joy and beauty to be had, and that we will survive this-- together. Much Love, Katie (though not a heart-breaking Katie like some recent posts have described!) +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: survivor guilt
by elise j. spry 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Hello friends, Thank you everyone for your strength and fellowship during this time of fear and sorrow. A common theme I sense in your emails is feelings of guilt. Feeling guilty for enjoying music, food & drinks, or even life. Please, let's not be ashamed for this most important task that has been given us: picking up the pieces (both literally and figuratively) and getting on with the business of life. If the airlines are running tomorrow, I am planning on going to Seattle to see Belle and Sebastian: Every dance move I make, every waggle of my tail, I will shake it for those who will never dance again. Every song that I sing along, ever-so-off key, I'll sing my heart out for those who'll never have a voice. Every friend's hand I hold, every cuddle and kiss on the cheek, We'll hold each other for all of you who need it. I love you all. See some of you in Seattle, I hope!! -elise PS. My apologies if this has offended or troubled anyone. It's not meant that way. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Red Cross
by Jenny Payne 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Hello all, my post does not seem to have made it through. I'm resending because there may be a few of you that were interested in ways to help the Red Cross. I won't forward you my NY friend's e-mail which describes what he saw and dealt with the other day. It's too graphic and disturbing. To give you a hint, though, when he came out of his apartment, he assumed a bomb had gone off in a meat truck. It's absolutely unthinkable to imagine yourself in these victims' place, or in that of their families. This is war of the worst kind. Let's stick together if we can. Jenny ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:07:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Jenny Payne <jpayne(a)mail.wrl.org> To: Peter Carter <p.carter(a)bathspa.ac.uk> Cc: sinister(a)missprint.org Subject: Re: Sinister: Helplessness of another kind On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, Peter Carter wrote: > I tried donating to the disaster fund on amazon and it told me that the > postcode for my address is incorrect. The correct postcode for my correct > address. Does anyone know of another way to donate? A website or a number? I thought several of you may be interested, so posted to the list. Hope that is ok. Ways to donate to the RED CROSS: ================================================================== * If you have a PayPal account, send your donation to Relief(a)PayPal.com, or visit http://www.paypal.com * You can make a donation by credit card at Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/paypage/PKAXFNQH7EKCX * You can also pay by credit card at the Red Cross website https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp (This site seems to be working about half the time.) ================================================================== I'm sure *any* amount is appreciated. There is so much work to be done. There are also many blood drives going on throughout the east coast. Love him or hate him, I think now is not the time to criticize our President, but to unite. Not only as Americans, but as countries who value their freedom. I live right in the middle of Norfolk and D.C., with many friends who work and live within walking distance of the Pentagon. All were terrified by this beyond belief. And in Norfolk area schools, they let the kids out of school early so that they could say goodbye to their daddies, who were being sent out on ships. It's all very devastating. Love from, Jenny +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: A vain attempt, but I have to try.
by honey＠missprint.org 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

I just wanted really to make one comment, in response to a mail from Kimberly Girton: > To the host: If there is too much about the latest events being posted, > I understand your right to not pass on some posts. I know my second > post may sound like I am beating a dead horse, but after sharing the > comments on the Sinister list with others, I don't feel that people of > similar mind to myself have been fairly represented. So I have written > one more, and after I submit this for possible post, I will remain > quiet on the public board. Thank you sincerely for your time. I'm not sure I quite understand, but this list is unmoderated for content other than in respect to the list rules, which are there for our ultimate survival, and our continuing ability to talk here. I don't review posts for content before sending them on to the list. Aside from this being inhibitive to what most of you are here for, it would be incredibly time-consuming, and as anyone who's waited for a response from me to a list problem will know, you'd never see posts until three weeks after they'd been sent. So: for the few to whom this might not be clear: you hit send, and, other than a few traps that catch things for approval like attempts to unsubscribe sent to the wrong address, HTML mails, and a couple of people a few years ago who dedicated a few precious weeks of their lives to tell us all repeatedly to fuck off, your mail gets sent out instantaneously to all recipients. No invisible hand is influencing the representation of views in this forum in any way, and what you see is what's being sent. The only hand you will be see will be when the list itself is in danger of imploding. This list is as good, bad, informative, boring, dynamic, crass or life-enhancing as you all make it, and there's no filter in place to change that other than the sound of open debate and the occasionally gentle nudge to you all from list mum. There will come a time when a gentle call may go out to give oxygen to things other than this topic on the list, but I don't think that time is here yet, unashamed as you should all feel to raise other things and allow new shoots of life to sprout. I'm sure most of the mailing lists in the world, be they dedicated to spoons, taoism or hedgehogs will be discussing this right now, and I thank you all that it hasn't turned into the kind Rambo flag-waving scrap on both sides I see in a few other places. It's a brute fact that this terrible thing is in part so much more present in our minds than other atrocities because of the power of the media, because it happened to the one remaining super-power in the world, and specially because of, by the very existence of this list, many of us know and love many many more people in other nations than would have been imaginable a few years ago. It feels pointless to say it, but my greatest sympathies to everyone, American or otherwise who has been hurt by this, or those innocents in every nation who might be hurt as a consequence. If anything, a list like this to my mind demonstrates a lesson we've learnt ahead of our own world leaders, and that they will take some time to catch up on: we are citizens of the world, and though such an event may tempt us to close ranks, I can only echo David Stankin's eloquent plea: all of you, please don't change. honey x +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: for your information ....
by Lawrence Mikkelsen 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

hi folks, To all the American listees, I hope you're doin' OK. Like I said yesterday, everyone here in new Zealand is sickened and sad for you. it's hard to comprehend, living in this tiny, nuclear free, isolationist little nation. but it's hit the world hard .... Anyway, anyone wanting to read some (left-wing) but interesting comments about the events of the last few days should point their browsers to www.michaelmoore.com and then click on "Mike's Latest Message" or whatever it' called. Many of you probably know Mike Moore are the maker of "Roger and Me", and the TV shows "TV Nation" and "The Awful Truth". Another interesting article (which has been ... err ... "avoided" by many) can be at www.msnbc.com - it's about Osama bin Laden, and how he was trained by the CIA in the 80's to fight against the Russians in Afghanistan. Feel sick and betrayed yet? Hell, I do, and I'm not even American. Anyway, I hope that these articles give some listees a little more understanding. I am finding it very difficult to listen to music these last few days. Everything seems a little trite, except for Simon & Garfunkel's "Bookends". OK .... sleep tight Americans .... my prayers are with you. Lawrence +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: a note about last night
by Carmel Petra Wright 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

hi everyone, i think last night was a really nice break from the world...seeing belle and sebastian really raised my spirits for awhile. it was such a great night and such a thing of beauty to see that we can all join peacefully and have such a good time in the face of such a horrific period in our history. Unfortunately after I wrote my review of the show, when i was still happy from the show and had forgotten about all this nonsense, i turned on the news. 10 min of that made me feel just the same again. Although i found some comfort of being able to recall the song "turn turn turn" as it was played the night before--it was kind of comforting. I'd also like to thank the band, even though they won't see this, for being there for us and caring for us even though they aren't even from here. it really meant a lot to see the outpouring of support and for them to play such an amazing set. I think it's what we all needed. carmel ===== "please turn out the light i get a sick confusion headache trying to figure out who's right" *****Heatmiser***** __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: chins up
by Stankin' Cooter 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Alright, Im sorry, I wasnt going to post. I know you've all got full enough inboxes already. I couldnt possibly be further away from all this, being almost exactly on the opposite side of the world, but that hasnt stopped me from spending the last couple of days with a knot in my stomach and fog in my eyes. Im not going to speculate, offer fortune-cookie philosophy, or talk politics, as although these thoughts bump around in my head in my more detached moments, I really cant get away from the thought of the actual people involved. Hundreds of people have needlessly and horrifically died, and many more have lost those that they love. Most of them dont even know for sure yet. Many more again will not be able to feel safe and genuinely free in their homes for some time, having seen what theyve seen. I know this is about so much more than that, but thats really the only terms I can think of it in for the moment. This in itself is too big for me to get my head around. I cant think of a way to say this that wont sound hollow and meaningless, but Im feeling deeply for each and every one of you thats been touched by this. I was actually chatting in #sinister at the time this happened, probably grizzling on about something completely unimportant, like I normally do. Some sod drunkenly kicked a hole in my living room wall on the weekend, I was most likely moaning about that. When Madeleine first mentioned what was happening, I thought that she was kidding around, or had been taken in by a hoax. As I switched on the television, and #sinister began to fill up with people looking for news of those in New York about whom they care, it all slowly started to sink in. It still hasnt completely. I cannot describe the surge of relief and joy I felt as each of the New York people I know from #sinister arrived. They were all accounted for, and my very elation at this fact made me feel small, weak and selfish. I was chatting with people who saw this happen with their own eyes, and they carried themselves with such grace, composure and hope, that even in my own shock, I found myself in complete awe of them. If this had happened in a weeks time, my mother would have been there. The fact that she isnt there makes me happy as well, but Im sickened with guilt at the feeling, as it means that Im pleased that of all the people affected by this, thats one other person thats lost their mother instead of me. Id like to think that were all in this together, but my home and office are still standing, my friends are all alive, and I can still phone my mum. It would be hypocritical and vile of me to say that I can understand what many of you must be going through. When I finally dragged myself home to get a couple of hours sleep, I looked at the hole in the living room wall. It seemed very small and unimportant. The world also seems smaller now, and the people in it seem less dissimilar. Last night I realised that I hadnt really listened to any music for a while, or really done anything except try to work, while emailing, chatting and keeping one eye and one ear on the television. I walked home in the small hours, and listened to my walkman. My absolute favourite listee had made and sent me a tape, from New York City, which had reached me just before this happened. I listened to it, and in spite of myself, I smiled. We are still surrounded by beauty in this world, and its not as fragile as it seems. Cling to it. The only thing Id ask of all the American listees is that you dont let this change who you are (even the ones I normally bicker with). That would be the worst possible result out of all this, and the only way in which whoever has struck against you can win. You might still want to think about changing your bizarre selection of breakfast foods, however, Ive never understood that ;) On that note, Im just going to quickly mention something normal and off this subject, before I leave you to it. Another of our finest and most highly decorated listees was kind enough to send me a tape of the Camera Obscura Peel Session (thanks, Miss Madeleine). It was one of the few things that made me smile today, and it reminded me who I normally am, and what Im normally about. To put it another way, it rocked my arse off. So, the maddest of all possible props to the King of Partick and his illustrious court. Ill leave you with even more than my usual consignment of bulk love, and absolutely every thought that my boss can do without, -David. Oh, and I almost forgot. THANKYOU. I never really understood the meaning of the phrase 'online commumity' before. You lot are the tops. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: just a short one, i promise
by Kirsten Kenyon 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

thank you so much, everyone who offered condolences and hugs and words of empathy about my friend...i've been thinking about him all day. and about all of you. he was by himself a lot...just thinking and thinking. i thought maybe if he had known more people like you....i don't know. i do know that i would have been an absolute wreck without the people on #sinister last night, and all of you who sent kind words....really, thank you. you are all amazing. peace and love kirsten Care2 make the world greener! http://www.care2.com - Get your Free e-mail account that helps save Wildlife! +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: (no subject)
by ArtsyDeco＠aol.com 13 Sep '01

13 Sep '01

Sorry to post twice in two days about basically the same thing, but I felt like I had to write something. I just signed a card for the girl who lives in the room across from me. Her name is Nari. Her cousin was killed. What do you write? I can't write what I'm thinking, the simplified feelings that accompany tradgedy. I wish your cousin wasn't dead so both of you could be okay. The messages all look the same but at least I know we all mean it. Someone outside just asked when it would stop. The scary thing is, it's only been two days. It won't stop for a long time. More people are finding out that they're never going to see their relatives and friends again. My first reaction was to the building too. The image was just too powerful. But inside that shot that keeps getting replayed of this enormous structure falling into itself, hidden behind the celluloid, people are dying in huge numbers and horrible ways. I can't turn on the television without seeing people. I'm sure everyone thinks I'm a jerk for not going to the vigil they're holding tonight. I don't like religious ceremonies. If they help some people feel better I'm glad and think that's reason enough for them to happen. I won't go though. I feel it all already. I'm going to give blood. I'm going to give whatever I can where it's needed. Standing with a bunch of other sad people in the dark is only going to make me feel worse. That's not what I need right now. If anything I need to feel a bit defiant, to feel like rebuilding. They arrested three people in Newton (where I'm at) today. They evacuated the area. One person was arrested in Boston. It's all around me. I'm sick of hearing sirens. Thank you for being here so I could write this. Kara* +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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