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De: Jonathan Wren <jwg.wren(a)dial.pipex.com>
Para: sinister(a)majordomo.net <sinister(a)majordomo.net>
Fecha: domingo 15 de febrero de 1998 15:54
Asunto: Re: Sinister: Lovin' Spoonful
ha ha! Look; if you don't realise the genius and importance of
>> >The Lovin' Spoonful then you are... lost. I mean, Pop.
Let's imagine that the sixties pop scene is British football. There are two
Anfields in Britain, one in Liverpool, one in Stirling. Which do you got to
first? Liverpool probably...the Beatles...fifty thousand number ones on the
trot and six consecutive European Cup wins. The atmosphere is electric and
everyone talks funny. While you're in the area you might as well go to
Goodison Park for a ride on the escalators. Cilla Black. Off to Tranmere
Rovers for a bit of Gerry and the Pacemakers. Now you've had enough
Merseybeat for a while, so you leave the Swinging Blue Jeans for another
time. They are that non league team from the place where they filmed the end
credits of Dad's Army that sometimes do quite well in the FA Cup and have
got a comedian for a manager. Instead you decide to visit the other Anfield,
or Annfield, I'm not sure. There you see East Stirlingshire, or some such
gem of a team (again, I'm not sure). Technically they are not very good, but
every now and then there is a bit of excitement, the tea's quite nice for a
change and the people are really friendly. One of the opposing supporters
has brought a big bell to ring instead of a rattle to rattle. Your neighbour
tells him that if he doesn't stop ringing that bloody bell he's going to
stick it right up his arse for him, and you laugh. Just as you are leaving
after ninety minutes of pleasant entertainment an old man with a weather
beaten face comes up to you, grabs your arm and whispers "Lovin' Spoonful,
sonny, Lovin' Spoonful" "What are you on about, old crone?" you ask him. The
man draws your face close to his and hisses "Do you believe in magic? DO
YOU?"
That mysterious old man was the Duke of Haringay on field manoeuvres in his
native Scotland. It's best to take his rants with a pinch of salt and enter
the fantastic Duke Box Dury Competition. My own entry is almost finished,
and I can't wait to see how it fares.
Peter, the Pauper of Pop
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>Jon wrote :
>BTW I'm gonna be living in Exeter next year so I hope the massed ranks of >LS fans
>there don't come and kick the shit out of me...
>..that was a joke :-)
If this is true then there will be at least 3 of us. Blimey, there's only 4 other people, 2 sheep and a cat down here, and no, we don't all like the Loving Spoonful as our tractors weren't fitted with radios until 1982 :)
Adrian.
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Apologies to Honeymonster for the obvious abuse of his list as some political forum, but :
>Sarah rather tediously wrote :
>Today Matthew, I am going to be a political demonstrator. Yes, today was
>our march to County Hall against bus pass expenses, fees and the whole
>education cuts. we got the paper and the radio down as well, which we
>were quite pleased with.
>We saw a few beaurocrats in suits, when they found their ways 'out of
>meetings', but basically I have no idea if anything was achieved. I
>think that most students who came just did it for the heck of it, not
>because they cared about the cause.
Thanks luv...a few of these beaurocrats in suits happen to be on the list !!
I think you'll find it's the politicians who make the decisions on swingeing cuts.
>I do not mean to. And no I am not in SWP or the Communists. I happen to
>care about education. I think it is time that people realise it is not
>only the Uni fees that are being cut, it is EDUCATION as a whole.
You make it sound like the average LG officer doesn't care, and doesn't have a life outside work, and isn't affected in any way !...Like none of us have families and kids or anything.
>The council, who stop our transport fees, so we can't PYSICALLY *GET* to
>college are funded by the govt who on a national level are charging
>fees. People have to start realising that. It is a part of the whole big
>picture.
I don't know which Authority you refer to, but in Devon Education and Social Services haven't done badly at all in terms of budget cuts over the last few years.
If we don't start pumping more money into roads in this part of the world, before long we will all have to walk everywhere anyway.
>it is disgusting that they are not only making education into a
>privilige for the wealthy (speaks a person whose parents can just about
>afford fees by the way), but they are cutting it on simple levels, such
>as lunch vouchers, travel expenses, textbooks, education should not be
>for those who have rich mummies and daddies it should be for everyone.
You are right it is disgusting, but in recent years people like myself have merely been a glove puppet with a politicians arm up yer jacksy.
You are right to moan to your local authority, if only more people would...but the blame lies firmly on Whitehall.
Sorry to get me arse in me hand !
--
Adrian.
Pity would be no more
If we did not make somebody poor
And mercy no more could be
If all were happy as we.
William Blake.
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>Loving B&S isn't about buying into an aesthetic and swallowing it lock,
stock and
>barrel, and if I thought it was then I'd think that was pretty damn sad and
it
>might even take something out of the music for me.. B&S are about boredom,
love,
>loss, failure, elation, the pain of individuality etc. B&S are about
questioning
>and discovery. I get a buzz of B&S which, on one listen, which I accept is
unfair
>and I should hear more, I didn't/don't/might get from Loving Spoonfull. And
if I
>don't after a more considered response, does that really make me some sort
of
>knuckle headed ignorant idiot? The world is a big old place for people with
>differing tastes.
>
>Sorry if I've upset people and sorry for getting all pretentious. I
couldn't not
>say anything cos this has genuinely upset me, too.
>
>All the best,
>
>Jon
Think you pretty much hit the nail on the head there - and very eloquently
too.
Keith.
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>Lets see your kit for games
>All the girls look the same
>You are challenging style for running miles
>You're running miles in some boys jumper
>
>I have been singing this set of lines all afternoon, while being drugged on a
>bottle of dry white wine
>and this prompted my flatmate to spill her soul about the teenage hell for late
>developers
> that was SHOWERS AFTER GAMES.
I am sure that almost everyone [male & female] on this list, certainly those of us who went through the British education system will have similar stories to tell of the whole of PE.
My own school PE ordeals experienced at Breezehill Comprehensive School in Oldham could have stepped right out of 'The Headmaster Ritual' song by The Smiths!
Richard
http://wwp.mirabilis.com/4039573 rclander(a)netfront.net
Don't drink Gatorade. Drink Miracle Water.
And to all those un-hitched out there--thank God that the Hallmark-sponsored
Love Holiday is over, and we can get on with looking for love without the
pressure of all that pink...
--ari
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It seems to me that now Tigermilk is supposedly fetching 100 to 200 pounds
sterling, someone is bound to bring out a vinyl bootleg, if they haven't done
so already. (and if they have, I'd quite like a copy!).
A bootleg will be a close copy of the original, but with presumably some
inevitable loss of sound quality.
The bootleggers make a load of money by fooling fans, who may never have seen
an original to tell the difference anyway.
The value of the original copies will go down,
The band will not get any royalties or share of profit.
Surely it would be better for them to swiftly bring out a reissue, (maybe on
CD, so there's no problem differentiating new copies from the original).
I guess there are a few fans (me included!) who'll still want to get the
original, but at least if people can buy the thing in one form or another,
the 'street price' will drop to below the point where it is worth someone's
while to bootleg it.
And a lot more people will get to hear the songs! (I particularly prefer the
version of "The State I Am In" to the version on the DOW EP) (Phew! no
stranger to controversy, me!)
In the meantime, my advice if you're offered a copy of Tigermilk in mint
condition is to be very suspicious, there are few records that are over two
years old which don't show signs of wear, on the sleeve at least.
Does anyone know what the band thinks?
(I don't have 'net access, only email, so maybe this stuff has all been
covered before.)
Cheers,
Rocker,
rocker(a)andyclin.exnet.com
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Are we still deciding upon a list-based competition?
Well, Stuart David wrote Ink Polaroids--the list holds a competition of Ink
Polaroids; Stuart David wrote Ink Movies--the list holds a competition of
__________. (Answer: Ink Movies).
Then we will not be repeating ourselves over, just slightly modifying
ourselves. We need something to do whilst waiting for new album.
And, I would like to hear Tracey Thorn c. _A Distant Shore_ sing "Seeing Other
People" and "Ease Your Feet In the Sea". The latter would be perfect due to
her preoccupation/obsession with the ocean in her own songs. I do not really
want to hear her _play_ the songs, just to sing them.
There, I wrote it, now I am crawling back to bed to continue to spend my
time with the flu. Truthfully, the flu is not such a great companion.
Coughing and sniffling
Matthew
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I have an almost-crap compilation (given by an old crap
ex-boyfriend...hehehe) from some 60's obvious hits (California Dreaming
etc), and there are...two songs from the Loving Spoonful in it. And I
always thought they were probably the best on this CD. They sound very nice
to me...although I've never heard anything else from them, neither know who
they really were...
Fabiana
> I was eating my breakfast yesterday when, on Melody Radio (my parents
> choice NOT mine!) a song came on by a group called Loving Spoonfull.
> Now, the song was pretty insipid cack (it was on Melody, after all) but
> the singer's voice was very, very similar to Stuart Murdoch's. Anyone
> else heard of this group/singer?
>
> Just an observation...
>
> A (very) little ink photograph to finish:
>
> This one's of me. It was the moment when I read on the Sinister posting
> that I'd be missing the B&S chats. You can just see the blood emerging
> from my head after I'd smashed into the monitor in despair.
>
> Speaking of Ink Photographs, has anyone here who writes fiction
> incorporated it into anything they've written? I used the idea on a
> story I wrote and it "came out" really well. Was Stuart David actually
> the originator or has a similar sort of idea been used before?
>
> All the best and if I don't post again before I go back to Dundee, take
> care and have fun,
>
> Jon
>
>
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Yes me again! Wait don't go...I'm not rambling that much! oh wait..i
am...daaaamn!
>>And there's nice steel guitar on it. I like Teenage Fanclub very much, but
>I
>>think Rod might just have the edge on them in terms of.....oh dear, I can't
>>think of a suitable word....weightiness.
ALl I keep hearing on the radio is that n-trance cover...I thought it was a
raspy old woman singin 'do ya think i'm sexy!' but it's Rod,it was so weird
when i realised this...Teenage Fanclub hold a special place in my heart,they
play a song for once,I yelled out 'LONG LIVE SCOTLAND!' and Norman goes
'this is for the wee Scottish lass down front' or something..
I love The Concept,it makes me want to spin around in slo-mo circles at the
end..another song that makes me want to spin in slo-mo circles with glitter
flying around is Ash's Darkside/Lightside (or is it the other way round?)
and when I think of Ash I'm thinking you were talkign about Catch and Toby
or one of them looks like Tim Wheeler.
You know what else about Ash,one day I had a biology test and I was gonna do
bad and for soem reason I envisioned Mark Hamilton (bassist of Ash) sitting
in the desk in front of me jsut wearing silver pants and he would grin and
turn around every once in a while and I did really good on that test!I don't
know why..i think he's 'stooopid' but hmmm...just a whole lotta chain
reaction thoughts going on!
>Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 17:01:59 -0800 (PST)
>From: Michi Kobayashi <mkobayas(a)ea.oac.uci.edu>
>Subject: Sinister: the soundtrack of your life.
>here is michi's soundtrack: (in no particular order) i wrote some of the
>lyrics down to reflect on the life that i've lead...(quite sad one that is..)
I think this is a beautiful idea Michi! Good post,good post!
I'm trying to get a couple lines together..but you know i have a terrible
memory..
(suede)come to my arms tonight,just you and me together under electric
light and we can stay together two hearts under the sky scrapers...
(suede) slipping away while the city sleeps,running away from this cruel
disease miles away,miles away
(suede) you'll have to find another no-one who'll take the shit like i have (
(longpigs) and there's no-one i can talk to,like i talk to myself she
said,so i play games to make them think i'm someone else...
(lush) i'm in no position to make demands i have no past,no one else has
done to me what you do..
(gang of four)if i could i'd let you cry on my shoulder i've no friends
either,i absolve you
(gang of four) you don't know who i am,you don't know where i come from from
the soul of this land i am lost and you're soon gone
(spiritualized) i'll always love you honey but i can't be what...i'm..not...
(spiritualized) but i can't help,i can't help falling in love with you
and the belle and sebastian ones:
(b&s)now i'm feeling flat you seem miles away i'm so tired that down on the
pavement i'll lay till the blossom on the tress comes falling on me
(b&s) and feel the city air run past your body (because I love running when
it's dark out...running really fast for no reason and feelign the air run
past my body!)
(b&s) we lay on the bed there kissing just for practice
(b&S) here on my own now after hours,here on my own know on a bus
(b&s)lovesick on a sunny afternoon
and lastly
(the smiths) i want to live and i want to love
>Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:50:42 -0300
>From: "Junior/Fabiana" <jrbia(a)dicknet.com.br>
>Subject: Sinister: Some roads are only seen at night...
And you, you look like Heaven. An angel who stepped from a dream. 777 times
>lovelier than anything i've ever seen.
>
>All the umbrellas in London couldn't stop this rain. And all the dope in
>New York couldn't kill this pain. And all the money in Tokio couldn't make
>me stay. All the umbrellas in London couldn't stop this rain.
>
>You may be cruel and unkind in every way. Thinking of ways to hurt me all
>night and day. But you're so beautiful...But you're so beautiful, it makes
>me want to cry.
THIS is sad-lovely! I'm supposed ot know this aren't I? well I don't *sob sob*
ohhh...good news! my sweetie brother's friend at a record store scored me
some b&s promo poster...:) :) :) :)
SARAH! Good work,keep up your protest,fight! fight! fight!
you're all so special,
lots of love and kisses
Genevieve :)
oh,cause this time is yours and mine
oh hear the city sound
see the lonely crowds
this scene is you & me
in the lazy sun,we're the only ones
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