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Sinister: the scoop on Sessions
by Felicia Daniel 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

hi gang, yesterday morning i spoke to chris douridas' assistant (chris being the host of sessions on west 54th), and she did confirm that it looks like the b&s session will never be aired. she made it sound as if chris himself was pretty peeved about this (i know he is a big fan), and in fact urged me and anyone else who is upset about this to complain to the show's executive producer. (i think it's actually higher-ups at pbs who nixed the episode, but if he gets enough complaints he might have something to fight with.) i feel sort of bad posting this guy's phone and fax number to the entire list, so if you would like to make your opinion heard, just drop me an email and i'll send the info to you. cheers, felicia bijoux13(a)hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Bootlegging from Vinyl
by Keith Watson 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

>Further, just to comfort B&S and/or Jeepster, CD's mass produced from a Vinyl source would be inferior to those from the Master >Tape unless a great deal of money was spent trying to digitally remaster the sound. Also, cateran on chat made it known that >Cdroms, played on a regual CD player which lack the ability to oversample them, sound noticeably infererior (if one is an audiophile). Hmmm... I'm afraid this point doesn't seem to make much sense. If a CD player reads a single circuit on a CD and the sum of all the bits on that circuit doesn't match the checksum stored at the end of that circuit then it will skip. All oversampling CD players do is attempt to read the circuit x number of times in an attempt to get it correct before actually playing it, they will also skip if unable to match the checksum. Either a CD will skip, or it'll sound exactly the same as it did when initially recorded, in the same way that if you take a binary computer program and splat a few zeroes into the middle of the file, it's not likely to make the program just slightly worse, just completely and untterly shaft it. I don't know where this sort of stuff comes from, but there was an article a few years ago that stated that should you keep your CD's in a fridge, they'd sound better! >Now that doesn't mean that someone trying to make money wouldn't be able to peddle these inferior products making and making >appreciable profit. Frankly though, I don't think Jeester, Electric Honey, or Belle and Sebastian would be able to do anything to stop it. >In effect, the only thing protecting Belle and Sebastian right now is their relative obscurity. Frankly too, I'm quite surprised bootlegs of Tigermilk aren't already readily available. I had a look in Barrowlands in Glasgow a few months ago just out of interest, and there aren't even any tapes, never mind CD's. >However, it's really unfair to unleash that kind of anger we saw last fall on list members. We are their biggest fans. We're the ones >who enjoy most listening to their music. We are the ones who proselytize their music to the world. We are not going to want to screw >up B&S's musical careers. Don't make us feel like pariahs. Indeed. What got me thinking however, is the size of the wages bill that B+S must accrue. Mick's previous band I remember were paying themselves 150 quid a week or so living expenses, so if you extrapolate that to Belle and Sebastian they must be paying a weekly wages bill of 1120 quid, this is quite considerable - so on that evidence it's probably about time Tigermilk received a legitamate release or bankruptcy looms! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: (Fwd) How I made my Pennies (working for Notcutts???)
by Northy 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

>> >Northy wrote: >> >Isn't it weird - you want as many of your friends to hear B&S as >> >possible but wouldn't you hate it if everyone liked them and you were >> >just another fan.........I think this.......I don't want to be just >> >another faceless fan. >> >We are priveleged. Let us enjoy our position while we can > >> Fuck that and fuck you. (I hope I don't get told off by Honeydive Paul) I >> hope our beloved monsters of rock, lords of sleaze and kings of debauchery >> become rich and famous, it's their Ffate and yours is to whine and tell >> everyone how you knew them first. Yes Ok I am a "I saw them first...." person - but who can honestly say they wouldn't jump in if a friend said - "oh guess what I've just heard this great new band on the radio - they've come from nowhere" hmmm......it is just natural so just accept it >>fuck you Sorry if I offended you in any way I really am. How can i make it up to you. I am very very deeply sorry from the bottom of my heart np: Radiohead - How I made My Millions (what has everyone got against me???) oh and if Belle and Sebastian are reading this - I was Radiohead obsessed after OKC - saw them twice, bought most of their old singles and they were decidly my fave band. Already possessing the two singles, I put "La Pastie de la...." on and I was converted. The story continues Convert Count: 2 ``Don't be afraid to take a big step. You can't cross a chasm in two small jumps.'' - David Lloyd George. ``Don't be afraid to take a big step. You can't cross a chasm in two small jumps.'' - David Lloyd George. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: other sounds(no B&S)
by Hopkins T 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

> -----Original Message----- > From: plaird [SMTP:plaird@ndirect.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 1:01 AM > To: sweet sinister souls > Subject: Re: Sinister: other sounds(no B&S) > > WARNING: NO B&S CONTENT > Plaird wrote: > > Northern Soul as in Mod revivalists spinning on their > >head > > Are you sure they were mod revivalists? there was me thinking they were > soul boys:-) > They may have (partly) grown out of the mod scene but the soul boys were > in no sense mod revivalists (in my view). > > > Some singles are equally as good as the all > >time Motown greats but relatively unknown. > > The best northen is better than the best Motown, having the kind of > intensity that the saccharine Motown 'all-time greats' (with a very small > number of honourable exceptions) never got near. > > >buying Northern Soul records, like most other genres, involves wading > >through loads of crap. There are loads of vinyl or CD compilations on > >loads of labels, the best being the likes of Kent or Goldmine/Soul > Supply. > > There's never been a better time (at least since the heydays of the early > seventies) for buying good quality northern soul records. The quality of > the Kent compilations is pretty consistent and most Kent stuff is worth a > dice buy. Beware Goldmine/Soul Supply though. While some of their stuff is > fine, there ais way too much weak material and there seem to be too many > rehashes of obvious old track listings. Also, they seem to have less luck > in locating good quality master tapes than Kent, so the sound sometimes > suffers. My advice is always to listen before you buy... > And talking of buying, i you do fancy Goldmine discs, Polar Bear records > in Leeds used to have a seemingly endless supply of their CDs at very > reasonable prices. > > > >aving only around 20 or so Northern Soul comp LPs/CDs means I'm only > > small fan, and I prefer Sixties Soul. I'd recommend you look out > >or anything by Mary Love, Jackie Day or Vernon Garrett. > >he earlier Kent compilations ("For Dancers Only" and the like) are a > >good bet and there are good budget CDs about. Look out for a CD called > >18 Northern Soul Floorshakers' which you might even be able to pick > >up in those nasty 2.99 racks in your local Newsagent/petrol station! > > That's excellent advice. And the bit that follows is better: > > >avoid anything > >which says 'some tracks may be re-recorded etc.' > > ah, sage words. > > For my part, my favourite soul section is the deep stuff, slower and more > emotional, just beautiful. Buy 'Dave Godin's Deep Soul Treasures' (Kent), > kill for a copy of the Betty Lavette Lp on Charly, and go from there. > That's my tip. > > Sorry about the lack of B&S. > > Cheerio > > tim ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Modern Rock Song Release date?
by Keith Watson 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

>There is no official release dat yet, but hopefully once the band have >finished in the studio (first week of feb.) then they'll put together >the tracks for the EP and 3rd LP, and decide on some release dates. > >it's trying to be patient ... > >cheers, >Katrina. Strange, my friend Christine who works in Avalanche in Ediburgh told me last week they had a promo of Modern Rock Song delivered last week! Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: names#2
by Bramleys 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

Firstly, people who are already blessed with the names Sebastian or Isabelle are very lucky, but for the rest of us this is a must. Anyone know a really nice lawyer who could get us a bulk deal - kind of 400 for the price of 50?? I've already changed my name from Elizabeth to Beth, so this might not please my parents too much. post some inspiration bethey**

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Re: Sinister: Re: Pop Quiz
by Sandy Blair 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

> And there were three of 'em in Bros (don't forget Craig the >drummer!) for most of their 'career'. Drummer?? Drummer????? HAH! {Please note you have been expelled from the pop elite, hand in your Dollar records at the door.) Attempt at B&S content. erm, he was from Kirkcaldy which is in Scotland, and so are B&S. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Bootlegging from Vinyl
by Sandy Blair 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

>Hmmm... I'm afraid this point doesn't seem to make much sense. Why not? It is the disc pressing / burning method that is weaker, not the playback. >slightly worse, just completely and untterly shaft it. I don't know where >this sort of stuff comes from The 'Orange book' whatever that is. Pressed CD: Total Harmonic Distortion 65db, S/N ratio 82 dB Recordable CD: THD 55dB, S/N 80dB Recordable CDs follow a different recording algorithm called Absolute Time in Pre-groove (ATIP) which uses a lower quality recording known as 1 time over sampling, normal audio CDs use 4 time oversampling. (note it is the RECORDING that is noisier!). And this would be from a perfect digital information source, add onto the above, the sampling noise (I have a AWE64 for instance, not nearly professional level) and you have something that it pretty much matching an average tape dub. Oh and I only have one Bert Janch CD (the compilation on Demon) which I will not copy on CD or tape as I just wouldn't sleep an nights if I did so ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: B&S Dreams
by Nicole Elger 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

I could be dreaming .. oh wait, I WAS dreaming! I overslept this morning, after a B&S dream. In the dream there was some radio call-in contest and the prize was a bag full of B&S merchandise (records, the ink polaroid books, shirts, etc.) The part I was most excited about was that the records included the new, unreleased songs (i know, that doesn't make sense!) that I haven't heard, stuck here in the U.S. :-( SO here's the weird bit: to win the prize I had to answer 12 questions about .. not pop music, but POTATOES!!! Anyone who can figure that out (no, i hadn't had potatoes for dinner) gets to be the happy bunny of the day (Honey Honey Paul Dorothy Belle Sebastian ChooChoo Chile Mitchell will crown you, to make it official.) After I won the prize the dream turned into one of those cliche run-from-the-bad-guys scenes and just when we were about to escape with squealing tires .. my cat woke me up demanding his breakfast. I looked around under the covers for my prize but it was nowhere to be found. :-( THis wasn't the first time I've had a B&S dream, but the others have always just been that someone tells me that the band is coming here (Seattle) and then .. I wake up. Boo. ("life is never dull in your dreams / A pity that it never seems to work the way you see it ..") Hey, I think someone mentioned the Puncture article on B&S written by Jenny Toomey of Tsunami. It's too long (5 pages) to post here, but it is the most in-depth and interesting read on B&S that I've ever found. She goes beyond mentioning that B&S are the VU of our time, and spends 6 long paragraphs exploring the connection, as she sees it. If any of you doing the B&S web sites wants a copy to put on the web I could snail mail it to you. (Note to D&K: Toomey refers to you as "the ultra-cool UK indie Jeepster" so add that to your compliment file.) OK, i've rambled enough, back to this pseudo-working thing now .. until the next Sinister digest arrives. - Dreaming Nicole ------ nicolina(a)drizzle.com ------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: other sounds(no B&S)
by Nrbqlover 13 Jan '98

13 Jan '98

i've enjoyed reading other's lists-so i thought i'd pass on a few bands from an anglophile in LA: GBV, Olivia Tremor Control, Neutral Milk Hotel, Melt, Magoo, The Male Nurse, David Wrench, Father, Pink Kross and Palace would be a current top ten. Velvet Underground, Modern Lovers, Wedding Present, Orange Juice, Brilliant Corners, June Brides, Lemonheads, Pavement, Patti Smith, Replacements would make me happy on a desert island as long as i could bring my B&S collection. Ornette Coleman, Tipsy, Miles Davis, Tortoise, John Coltrane, Hank Williams, Patsy Cline, Steve Reich, Sonny Sharrock and Sun Ra would pass the time if i couldn't play any pop music. as my good friend iggy pop once said: "Thank you for your kind indulgence!" clem lane nrbqlover(a)aol.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net . We're all happy bunnies humming happy bunny tunes. Aren't we? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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