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Sinister: Belle and Sebastian: a response
by Charlotte.Hall＠smlawpub.co.uk 12 Sep '97

12 Sep '97

Why is it that some Belle and Sebastian songs bring tears to my eyes? They remind me of the past and of growing up in Scotland in the seventies. They speak to me of always being an outsider, of never having the right clothes to wear - "you can't afford a blazer, girl, you're always wearing clogs" is close to the bone. Of not being cool and not being aloof enough. Of not being cynical enough to transcend the crushing experience of unrequited love. The first B&S song I ever heard was The State I'm In - still, I think, the most perfect of all. I sat down on the floor and listened to this soaring, sweet voice and knew that everything would be all right. As a footnote: I'm finding the increased level of vitriol and defensiveness on this mailing list somewhat depressing. I like knowing what people are interested in and what their memories and feelings are - spurred by B&S and inspired by them, which is why we're all here. C ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: B & S compilation tape
by totv 12 Sep '97

12 Sep '97

Hello, I have just rushed making a B & S compilation tape for someones birthday today and put the tracks in the following order. What do people think of the choices and order? Have I missed anything great? Seeing Other People String Bean Jean Mayfly Photo Jenny My Wandering Days Are Over The State I Am In If Youre Feeling Sinister Lazy Line Painter Jane Stars of Track and Field Expectations Dog On Wheels You Made Me Forget My Dreams She's Losing It Judy and the Dream of Horses Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying ROB ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: The state we're in (already)
by David & Katrina 12 Sep '97

12 Sep '97

Paul's on holiday. He's the chief list admin guy. But while he's not here I get the dreaded responsibility, and I hate to ruin a party but... ... Princess Di jokes are hardly suitable and very distasteful. Please join an appropriate newsgroup for this sort of thing, and don't post them to the list, I'll regard it as spamming and may remove you. ... as much as the DJ debate is sometimes intriguing and entertaining, there have been a few very spiteful one-liners. This is flaming, and again this has severe punishments. Please try and remember that plain text (as e-mail is) doesn't carry irony and sarcasm very well. It's better to be polite than attempt wit with a double meaning. ... as for sleeper and other side debates, well when we created this list we laughingly put in a feature that censors words. Our test was on the band name that Mark Knopfler founded (can't write it as the program would kill this message), any message containing such words never reach the list. Maybe it should be set to stop messages with poor bands in them, could be more useful doncha think? and no, none of this is trying to restrict you too much. I just like to remember the original intention, that this list is named after a gorgeous album and for a brilliant band and should try to reflect both. I still believe that's possible, we've read letters from some of you that have stopped my heart and others that make me swoon, and we pass these onto Stuart Murdoch knowing he feels the same. So why don't we ever see this on the list? It can't be that you're not passionate enough or don't feel enough, after all, we all love Belle and Sebastian. Sorry for the moan, but when I lose interest in the majority of messages that get posted to the list, and when I receive a few complaints on the same line, well then I know we're starting down the wrong path. David Kitchen (dreading the response but hoping this inspires someone to write something pretty while you can) -- ***************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:d.kitchen@virgin.net ***************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: Feeling sinister about John Peel
by Keith Watson 12 Sep '97

12 Sep '97

-----Original Message----- From: fall(a)theclassical.net [SMTP:fall@theclassical.net] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 10:17 PM To: sinister(a)majordomo.net Subject: Re: Sinister: Feeling sinister about John Peel Hey There !! Leave me outta ya crappy debates... [Keith Watson] Fine by me Go back to feeling sinister and rabbiting on about bikes and cats... [Keith Watson] No - is that OK? And when did half of you shysters start swooning to the B&S..[who I've got naught against]..try post Dog On Wheels.. [Keith Watson] This sort of stuff doesn't warrant an answer Peel is and will ever be a champion...sadsacks like some of you wouldn't know if a musical note bit you on the arse [Keith Watson] Music has never - and I'll bet it never will "bite me on the arse". Incidentally - if he "always will be a champion", could you tell us what else will happen in the future please, I'm intrigued. I never felt better in my life.. Cha Cha MES ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: Feeling sinister about John Peel
by Stuart Gardiner 12 Sep '97

12 Sep '97

>Hey There !! > <snip> > >MES > Getting insulted by proper popstars, that's a first. A few points (in reverse order of importance); IMHO, the best thing to come out of the Fall was Lard (Mark Radcliffe's sidekick, for the non-UK readers). All taste, be it music, clothes or DJs, is subjective - I'm sure lots of people don't like Peel or Radcliffe. That doesn't make them any less of a person (or even less of a music fan). Having opinions is good, it's what separates man from beast, but what happened to music fans' famous "live and let live" attitude? The reason a lot of indie fans (me included!) don't like the Spice Girls isn't just because they're not credible, whatever that means, it's just because we don't like their music. Who cares what their image is? I'd have thought that eulogising B&S on this list was pretty pointless, because we all already know how good they are - that's why we're on the list in the first place. I believed that people would be more interested in opinions / (light-hearted!) debate on (admittedly tangentially) related issues than in e-mails saying "I like Belle And Sebastian. How about you?". Evidently I was wrong. Anyone who complains that we're not "true B&S fans" because of a (inaccurate in most cases) view that we only got into them after Dog On Wheels is precisely the kind of indie snob that I've been railing about the last couple of days. If someone likes them now, who cares what they used to like? (I'm writing this as someone whose taste in the distant past included buying the first Kylie Minogue album, something for which I've long since repented and made amends!) Finally (cue wave of relief), if anyone wants to send me a tape I'll copy the B&S session tracks I recorded off the Evening Session this week for them. Just e-mail me and I'll give you an address (better not take too long over it though, I'll be off e-mail for ten days from next Friday (cue second wave of relief), and my address will be changing four times during that time, so it'd be easier to get tapes to me before then). Stuart G > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Brian Hurst, he saw them first
by Keith Watson 12 Sep '97

12 Sep '97

It's nice to know that most people are completely gracious about the music, and there's only a few sad cunts who like the kind of "They sold out when they played Stones Bar in Edinburgh" attitude. I would have thought (especially with a band like B+S) that there may be a severe saddo element whose best mate's mate once stole a Pastels badge off of Alan McGee etc. Cheers, Keith. [ just currently waiting for the taxes to rise 3% ] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: star wars
by Keith Watson 12 Sep '97

12 Sep '97

Hi, Seems B&S are fans of Star Wars - cos in 'Le Pastie...' Stuart sings something about 'draw your light sabre.' Or possibly not. [Keith Watson] Well last Christmas, Chris was wearing a Star Wars T-Shirt at a New Year party I was at in Edinburgh. And another cover version I'd quite like to hear them do would be 'Teenage Kicks.' Aren't Cast shit? [Keith Watson] Oh Aye... have fun, clv. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: More Barcelona info
by oc245d8aff＠colon.net 12 Sep '97

12 Sep '97

I don't know if this is of interest, but I'll plough on regardless; Belle and Sebastian just got their first(?) mention on Spanish radio. They are on the same stage as Superelvis(?!) and The Magnetic Fields. Fans of Primal Scream will then have to hurtle off to the "techno rubbish" converted railway station, where they can dance the night away until six in the morning. Today's the day when I find out if we've won two nights in a swanky hotel with Bobby Gillespie. Wish me luck. Needless to say I'd sooner win two nights in a nice quiet bed and breakfast with Belle and Sebastian. Sorry for my occasional off-topic ramblings. I do try to control myself, honestly...I just get a bit carried away at times. I'm sure the other "guilty parties" have the same problem. It's not intentional, just a bit thoughtless. As for cover versions, I'd like to hear our heroes performing the entire soundtrack of "Oliver!" But I'll wait sitting down. If I don't have cause for any more lunatic ramblings today, I wish you all a nice weekend. Half an hour until you know what programme on the world service... Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: MES
by paul 12 Sep '97

12 Sep '97

on 11th Sept MES wrote: >And when did half of you shysters start swooning to the B&S..[who I've got >>naught against]..try post Dog On Wheels.. >Peel is and will ever be a champion...sadsacks like some of you wouldn't >know >if a musical note bit you on the arse I saw B&S at The Assembly Rooms in Edinburgh back in April (or May - I Forget) and regard the experience as probably the best gig I've attended since around 1991. As with the NYC reviews they had frequent instrument changes, a great rapport with the audience, they muffed up the intro to at least one song (but remembered the words!) and had a 5 minute break(?) somewhere in the middle. You felt they actually cared - unlike most of our indie heroes - and above all the music was brilliant. As a direct contrast I'd say that the worst gig i've ever been at was when The Fall played on Calton Hill(Edinburgh) about three years ago, where there was a shit atmosphere, MES and friends played about 3 lacklustre songs and then stormed off in a huff, show over. What a shit night. What a ripoff. Can I have my 10 quid back please!. That was probably the last time IO bought a Fall record ('15 ways' as a matter of fact). I could'nt care less about the band anymore. B&S care. Paul. "and remember an egg is good for you!" ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: The mailing list formerly known as being about B&S
by JSERAF＠aol.com 12 Sep '97

12 Sep '97

I guess I would, if given only these three options, would fall into the one that is getting bored with all these postings. But I must to say that I just needed to hear Belle & Sebastian to get me back into listening to music again (pop or otherwise). It's been a long time (maybe since the Smiths split up or the opening of the Matador label in the states). It's about time I heard something by a band that atually seems to think about its songs. So they'll probably never play Chicago (my hometown), but I'm willing to live with that if they keep putting out the goods. But since B&S's label just shuttered their doors, that alone remains to be seen ... alas. -john In a message dated 9/11/97 12:05:02 PM, SKG(a)datcon.co.uk wrote: >We seem to be divided into two categories here (or three if you count >the people who just don't give a toss and are probably getting bored of >all this!); > >1. The 'hard-core' indie fan. Listens to John Peel. Thinks variety means >hearing as many different bands as possible, preferably ones no-one has >heard of. Thinks credibility is gained by having seen "Tonto's Exploding >Penis" playing down the Frog & Sprocket on a Monday night in January. > >2. The 'mainstream' indie fan. Listens to Mark Radcliffe. Thinks variety >means having Carter USM, Ben Folds Five, Divine Comedy, Space, Radiohead >and Abba in the same CD collection (all examples from my own as it >happens). Doesn't care about credibility. > >Now obviously it's not for me to say which is right, everyone's welcome >to their own taste. But every person on this list has one thing in >common, a love of B&S, so let's not turn this into a slanging match >between 'real music fans' and the rest, OK? > >Stuart G > >Oh, and Duke, I would rather listen to ANY guitar band than the Spice >Girls... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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