September 1997 - Sinister

RE: Sinister: Feeling sinister about djs
by Keith Watson 11 Sep '97

11 Sep '97

great bands (bar none!) FIRST on John Peel - ok, let's name drop a little, shall we.......Joy Division, The Fall, Orange Juice, Fire Engines, Gang of Four, Birthday Party, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, Public Enemy, My Bloody Valentine, Pavement, Belle & Sebastian(!) - heard 'em all on Peel first (and I'm [Keith Watson] Yes... but isn't this just because he plays virtually anything that's new - he's bound to score a few hts given that he's been on for 30 years. I notice that out of all of these, only two bands are from the 90's, and Belle and Sebastian were on Radcliffe first. Most of these bands were from the 80's, when he was on (almost intolerably) every night, with bands like Napalm Death and Terminal Cheescake, Wedding Present sessions every week and a love for bands like Stump - then he got into world music + acid house, and again managed to make his show virtually unlistenable by single-handedly picking bollock loads of shit tracks to play. [ Incidentally - since B+S are in America at the moment in case people think this discussion is losing the thread a bit, there's not really much news to report, when they're back I suppose it'll get back on the track a bit. Also, am I the only one to think that "Slow Grafitti" which was on the radio last night was not just a *tad* bit boring? ] Cheers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Radio / Mainstream
by Keith Watson 11 Sep '97

11 Sep '97

It's certainly true that Radcliffe's not as good as he used to be, it's also true that Kevin Greening is shite. Peel's also a sad old bastard who's just become a parody of himself, he seems to just play any old pish and claim that it's a thrilling new modernist record. I haven't heard Mark Radcliffe play Belle and Sebastian yet (although I don't listen too much) on the mornin show, which is odd given that he played "The State that I am In" the week that Tigermilk was released, plus had the two sessions. I find myself unable to enter into any mainstream/alternative debate just because these classifications are pointless, one of my favourite singles of the year has been "Remember me" by Blueboy, which could certainly be described as mainstream. There's no point in saying "Alternative is better because [say] The Smiths are better than the Spice girls". That's like saying "Mainstream is better because the Beatles are better than Thousand Yard Stare". Keith. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: unrelated
by Alan 11 Sep '97

11 Sep '97

MOOSE!! what a great band!!! saw them live twice...great albums especially "honey bee"...friends with the BOO RADLEYS...that awful woman from the cranberries did backing vocals on "xyz" the first album (that was before she became the famous warbler we know now"...very underrated band i think, just like KITCHENS OF DISCTINCTION.... anybody have any more to add??? alan ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: Feeling sinister about djs
by Stuart Gardiner 11 Sep '97

11 Sep '97

Non-British readers may as well give this one a miss... >That Greening bloke is really shit. I've ended up just listening to CD's >in the morning. I'll tune in again when Mark and Lard return. Although >they're morning show is a watered down, mainstreamed version of the old >nightime slot. > >I look forward to the day they go back to doing to late show. Playing the >music they want to play, and getting rid of that old git Peel and his >crappy techno rubblish for good. > >At least you folks in London have a half decent alternative with XFM. The >thing is, they need to get as many listeners as posible, which means >playing the most mainstream indie. I'd still prefer that to the spice >girls, elton john etc. > >John S. I've been really disappointed with the Radcliffe breakfast show actually. The music's far too standard - he has been known to play the Spice Girls and other crimes against humanity. The best bit about his evening shows was always the five minute rants about various topics, which were frequently hilarious, but that seems to have been labeled as too risky for daytime. At least Kevin Greening is still funny in the mornings (and occasionally wonderfully surreal). But then, anything is an improvement on the Ginger Twat. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Mailing list
by Deirdre Murray 11 Sep '97

11 Sep '97

Hello people, please put me on your mailing list. Any chance of Belle and Sebastian playing Aberdeen this year ? Mail dmurray(a)allied-corp.com Cheers min! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: unrelated
by superbob 11 Sep '97

11 Sep '97

hey. this is my first post to the list, and for some reason i've got a totally b&s unrelated question. is anyone out there a fan of the band MOOSE ? does anyone know if they are still around? i have never been able to find anything about them on the web, and i know there are a few non-stateside people on this list who might know what's going on with them. you can reply to me personally if you know anything. on another note...i've been a long time fan of the tindersticks, and on their mailing list just about every other post had something to say about b & s. so, i got sick of hearing about what all the fuss was about so i went out and bought sinister and lazy line painter. this was about a week ago. i have now claimed them to be the best band i've ever heard. one week. that's all it took. they give me the feeling that i'm listening to something special. you know, kinda like the first time you heard the smiths, or the first time you heard felt, or, well, i don't know what i'm trying to say. it's just been a long time since i heard a band that made me feel like this. -brad ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: If You're Feeling Sinister
by Jean-Philippe Madelaine 10 Sep '97

10 Sep '97

I'm living the same experience. And hearing If you're feeling sinister right now. But unfortunately, for a french fan of B&S like me, it's very hard to find the records : I have to ask my shop to purchase these in England. What a pity !!! And just a question : although I'm french, I don't understand "Le pastie de la bourgeoisie". What does it mean ? And last but not least, when will "3,6,9 seconds of light" be available ?? JP, a french guy alone on this mailing list (or it seems to be so) PS : There is an other record I'm all the time hearing : Immobile. It's a reord of a french group called "Autour de Lucie". Merveilleux !!! ---- De : Matrix <mlang(a)inch.com> A : sinister(a)majordomo.net Date : mercredi 10 septembre 1997 19:02 Objet : Sinister: If You're Feeling Sinister Why can't I wear this record out? Has anyone else had the experience of putting this record on every day for the past six months thinking you might tire of it but you never do? It is like a fix. Judy and the Dream of Horses is the only song that has worn out slightly for me. I am thrilled with the prospect of a long and prosperous career for these guys. Has anyone heard a record they like more this year? The only other record that even comes close for me is Spiritualized's beautfully haunting LADIES AND GENTLEMEN WE ARE FLOATING IN SPACE and Moloko's DO YOU LIKE MY TIGHT SWEATER. As far as gender issues, I think Seeing Other People is the best example of this. The song is really ambiguous. When Stuart Murdoch sings, "you'd be better of going with girls at least they know what they're doing" he could be talking to a woman or a man. There's a hand over his mouth because he has to keep the relationship secret.... Still it is kept very ambiguous. One of the newer songs had some ambiguities in it. I think that these songs are the product of a more open minded generation and also probably result in more Smiths comparisons. Morrisey liked to leave things vague as well. How old was the violin player, by the way? matrix ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ... This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list... To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net"... For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see.. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister.. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net---------------------------------- ------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: re:XFM + irrelevant stuff
by Chris Stack 10 Sep '97

10 Sep '97

In answer to Keith Watson, Most mainstream is crap, mainstream is what the general public buy; and we all know how thick they are. Think how many genuinely good bands have been successful in recent years, I'll bet you won't get more than 10 or so, if that. As Everyone is talking about Diana (well two are anyway) I Thought I'd send this taken from Private eye. It sums up a lot: The late Princess Diana - an apology. In recent weeks (not to mention the last ten years) we at the Daily Gnome, in common with all other newspapers, may have inadvertently conveyed the impression that the late Princess of Wales was in some way a neurotic, irresponsible and manipulative troublemaker who had repeatedly meddled in political matters that did not concern her and personally embarassed Her Majesty the Queen by her mediterranean love-romps with the son of a discredited Egyptian businessman. We now realise as of Sunday morning that the Princess of Hearts was in fact the most saintly woman who has ever lived, who, with her charitable activities, brought hope and succour to hundreds and millions of people all over the world. We would like to express our sincere and deepest hypocrisy to all our readers on this tragic day and hope and pray that they will carry on buying our paper notwithstanding. By the way I'm not bitter about the fact that everyone is saying they saw B&S play live, not bitter at all. Can't you smell the satisfaction on their breath? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Cover Versions
by dickon＠easynet.co.uk 10 Sep '97

10 Sep '97

On the subject of cover versions, I'd personally like to hear Belle and Sebastian covering Orlando's "Save Yourself". But then again, I would: I wrote it. I also read with interest the New York Times piece on the recent concerts by B&S and Beth Orton that was posted here recently: >Ms. Orton dedicated "I Wish I Never Saw the Sunshine" to Diana, Princess of >Wales, softly intoning such moving lyrics as "If I never saw the sunshine, >baby, then maybe I wouldn't mind the rain." I take it that the correspondant didn't realise that this was of course, a cover version of The Ronettes' "I Wish I Never Saw The Sunshine", recorded in the 60s by Phil Spector but shelved until the numerous Spector reissues years later... I hate it when I know more about music than people who are paid to do so. Dickon website: http://www.totalweb.co.uk/orlando/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Variety box
by Stuart Gardiner 10 Sep '97

10 Sep '97

Various points from the last few days; 1. It is perfectly possible to avoid the new "Candle In The Wind" by either finding a decent radio station (like London's new XFM, which plays alternative music all day), or by just not listening to the radio. I managed to miss the whole of Diana's funeral by being in bed recovering from the night before... 2. Re cover versions. How about "Ziggy Stardust" or even Abba's "The Winner Takes It All"? B&S could do a very different and extremely good version of either. 3. For those who weren't listening / don't live in Britain, the Evening Session played B&S's session version of "Sleep the Clock Around" (at least I think that's what it was called) last night. It sounds like a very promising song, but unfortunately I couldn't make out any of the lyrics at all. Anyone help? Oh, and who was doing the female backing vocals? Whoever it was had a much better voice than Monica Queen. 4. Is anyone out there going to the Camden Crawl next week? Stuart G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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