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Sinister: just another opinion...
by Pamela Hutchinson 21 May '99

21 May '99

Hello list This is all very silly. When I joined the list my techno ignorance meant I broke many rules about jumping before I knew what I was doing and reading FAQs and waiting for a couple of weeks and stuff. When I posted nicely I received lovely friendly emails back. When I messed up, some people emailed me privately and politely and sorted me out a bit. If they were the evil bullying SOSers we have nothing to worry about. They're charming. I don't always have much time (and access to a pooter) to read my mails or contribute much, but I have found the people here friendly and mostly I love hearing from B+S fans, finding out more about the band. Although, they are getting so popular that I don't always have to do that in virtual-land anymore! Perhaps we should all lie down in a dark room listening to 'Evensong' and stop worriting. I've written to Honey adn he's written to me and he is a 'top bloke'. No need to go messin' love pamela adulthood rapidly approaching, hence the relaxed attitood to life PS the list has brought me Stuart Gardiner's Macarena Men which have made me inordinately joyful +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: 19, not limber in the slightest
by Alix Campbell 21 May '99

21 May '99

dearest all ian said >out of interest..has anyone here ever stuck a marble up their nose? which i haven't, but, you know playmobil? yes? good. well, my brother once hooked a small playmobil umbrella up his nose and got it stuck round the top inside bit of his nose, and we had to take him to the hospital. it was a blue umbrella. that's all i remember. apart from laughing. well, indeed, it is my birthday. and lots of people have said happy birthday, which is quite lovely. although unfortunately the chef at work insisted on putting a sign up in my coffee room saying 'i'm 19 today, please be nice'. she's a mad chef, so i didn't dare take it down. that's mad as in more than a tad looper. wanders around the pub wearing snorkeling goggles. with slices of cucumber up her nose. de qween of england came to oxford today. she was wearing canary yellow. she drove past and everyone said 'look, she just drove past', but i wasn't looking. not very exciting, i know, i've never been able to write well to the list. also, i was in the oxford mail. with photos. well, one photo of me looking like i'd woken up half and hour ago. which i had. they quote me as saying 'when trains have been cancelled they have provided a taxi, which is good'. i wish i'd said 'which is nice' instead. the homeless bloke who i pass to and from work and give my meagre tips to, spoke to me about it -'you were in the paper, smirking'. oh. well. how come nick and ailsa can articulate things and i cannot? do either of you want to act as my spokesperson? does it help to have something to say first? i think i'll stick to simply seconding you instead. i can't think of anything to end this with. i hate dr. pepper. it tastes awful. crack, or no crack, i cannot abide it. when i want to take crack i don't beat around the bush, i just whip out my little homemade crack pipe and away i go. incidentally, those will self short stories tough tough toys blah blah blah.. were crap. love alix - I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you - But I'm not laughing +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: morphological type: helical
by jessica 21 May '99

21 May '99

hey list kids, i'm glad most of the confrontation here has blown over, at the first sign of trouble i retreated to my bed with my protective lion. yes, i'm a big suck. but i can also be quite nasty if i have reason. i'm as twee as i want to be. so my absence means that i haven't had the chance to mention to y'all that my photos from the delgados show are up on my page, http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/3733 go to 'galleries' and you'll see them listed there. enjoy. it's come to my attention that cashews aren't exactly the best low-fat snack to be eating, considering that they're the fat organ of a plant. oh well. to the boy that was looking for cheap prada: ha! it doesn't exist. about lowercase letters: my pinky finger tends to get cramped up from reaching for the shift key too often, so i save it for special occasions. about pink cardigan-wearing fluffy kittens(or whatever that was): i was wearing a fluffy green skirt today, and i've also got a lovely lilac purse (as seen on buffy this week!) that's akin to a ball of fur. i guess to be sufficiently twee i'll have to search out that essential furry pink cardie. really, playing the flute, crying at the drop of a hat and wearing cardies religiously is as twee as i get. i would have taken ballet for the additional willowy pose and grace, but i was told that i wasn't skinny enough. ohohoh, megan wrote: >dp museum???? i'll take my head out of the gutter just long enough to say that i don't think i have to point out what else those initials stand for. nydp blue, indeed. it's nice to see that nobody missed me. you can hit delete now. smut-tacular, jessicaxo * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * someone had spied on us, i suppose, as we sat beside the canal and ate the sandwiches, drinking not even orangeade or coca-cola but hot milk out of a thermos. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * t i n y s t a r @ w o r l d y . c o m (it's lovely being a girl) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: new romantics
by rebelstrange＠ldd.net 21 May '99

21 May '99

another day another dollar From: "ian" <ian(a)dimensionflip.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Sinister: muttering kites a musical version of saint john's wort? ugh. i had some of that once and it gave me stomach ache. you say isobel does the same thing? well, that's all i need to know. NO you silly monkey. isobel does not give you stomach ache. i've never taken st johns wort. all i know is it's sposedta make you fuzzy and happy. it probably doestn', but it's the thought that counts. and i CLEARLY said "or whatever" which, in that gen-x hipster moronic fashion, grants automatic er, flexibility to whatever it qualifies, leaving you free to withdraw anything stupid you may have said or anything you have doubts about, or if you're just too SOFT to make a flat statement boldly. anyway. isobel does not make sick. it makes you feel fuzzy, like sitting out on a grassy hill and making daisy chains and drawing pictures of horses. OR getting down to kinky love in a mirrored chevy van. either one. someone said Hesse should be read. i've only read uh DEMIAN, on recommendation of a pseudo-lady love of mine, but it was bloody amazing. bollocks. it's totally fabulous. that should be on our sinister reading club too. it will blow your mind. i hear Hesse is lumped witht he beat(off) generation, but i found nothing in common with bukowski or kerouac. very spiritual. or maybe he's supposed to have inspired the beats? well fuck the beats. i'm sorry, but really. the gatefold photo is angelic. we salute you elle*** for years of joy to come. lastly. i was remembering someone a while back in the olden days was asking what were the characteristics of b/s, or "tweepop" or indie fluff or something. i was thiking about b&s in conjunction with my art history class. i mean istn' it a bit like the Romantics reaction to Realism? all ovver again--which i think seems to be a natural cycle repeating--but a revolution against apparent materialism, concerns with economics, politics, brute realism and popular culture as it stands. the romantics and symbolists found emotion and esthetic more important than giving a moral message, or depicting in photographic/scientific reality--they preferred to draw from mythology, and simply make things that were exotic, splendid and beautiful to look at. someone might say it's morally empty---i dont 'see it like that at all. it's art for the sake of itself. a CREATED reality in the artiist's mind, rather than a copying of the material world---the meaning is created by the creation itself. (foreshadowing err, psychoanalysis etc??) Well i'm not saying belle and sebby are vapid. but these days--so much emphasis on cmoputers, and having messages, and conveying the brutality and nature of society. there's comment in their music certainly, but overall it just throws aside any seeking to be "modern" or avant-garde, or shocking. reactionary? i dont know. they're totally unselfconscious in sentimentality, and a lovely arrangement and melody for its own sense. without being too saccharine or rococo about it. maybe this makes no sense at all. i'm sorry i'm just rambling here. i have seomthign really funny to say(*!*) but it will wait till later. in more importatn news, i hear the aging hipster Jarvisssss is going to be on the TV program "politically incorrect" tomorrow late night on ABC in the US. can anyone er confirm this for me, or did i hear wrong? that should be a bash. take care my pretties LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange The boat that brings us here will crack beneath your weight. This is territory you cannot invade. "I'll go and play with words and pictures" SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Because I want to see people and I want to see lights...
by Jordi Trenzano i Vilar 21 May '99

21 May '99

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Sinister: Re: An apology
by Cynthia Someone 21 May '99

21 May '99

See? See? I knew the people on the list had good intentions! things just get all muddled up in virtual land. I really don't think anyone involved in this had any bad intentions, from nick to paul to ailsa, people just have their moments of misunderstanding. so don't feel bad, ailsa. you made me feel better with your apology. I don't know what people should do to make everyone feel better, but I think Nick helped a lot by telling us his side. anyway, it's friday and it's beautiful out. and it's time to leave work! hurrah! Cynthia >From: ar981611(a)student.paisley.ac.uk (Ailsa Ross) >To: Cynthia Someone <csomeone(a)hotmail.com> >CC: sinister(a)Majordomo.net >Subject: An apology >Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:05:26 +0100 > >OK, I have obviously not given my last post the due care and attention >it deserved, and as a result have been misconstrued somewhat. It's just >difficult to think rationally when something I care about as much as >this list is erupting all around me :) > >Cynthia Someone wrote: > > > I feel I must speak, because obviously I have been misheard in some > > respects. Ailsa suggests that I am criticizing Honey's efforts and that >for > > some reason the length of time I have been on the list (9 months) has > > something to do with my ideas... > > >Cynthia, this absolutely could not be further from the truth. The only >reason I made the point about how long you had been on the list was to >give myself a reference point before mentioning the rules. I wanted to >know whether you knew about the switch to the nursery system, and also >would have felt a touch foolish had I said "and the rules have always >been the same on the list" if you had been here since long time before >me and they all got changed before I came along sticking my nose in. It >was perhaps badly worded and I apologise. I try so bloody hard to be >fair and inoffensive and courteous, dirty words in some people's books I >know, but hell, it's just the way I am. Or at least try to be. And I >have stuck up for new people and old people on this list, and try to be >as non-judgmental as possible. I'm sorry you see me as so petty that I >would draw distinctions between people based on how long they have been >here for. I'm not, honest :) > > > people are choosing sides. Why choose sides? > >I don't see it as choosing sides. I see it as backing Sinister. See, >it's Honey's list to do with as he pleases. If he turned it into a >crypto-fascist state tomorrow, I'd unsubscribe. I might be tempted to >try and start my own list. I would not try and change his mind, it >would soon be changed when 1100 people disappeared off to the >alternative fan resources on the web, or created their own. But >ultimately this is Paul's list to do with as he pleases. He's doing >this, as I keep saying, for fun and for us. It must be bloody difficult >to find the motivation to go on when it all gets like this. He alone >says what goes, OK, there are a few of us (I hold my hands up to this) >who come along and do some prodding on his behalf, but it is a mammoth >task for one man and all I have ever tried to do is stand up for him and >his list. > >Actually, backing Sinister is choosing a side isn't it? I do apologise, >but it's hard to be coherent and logical when all you can see is a red >mist descending. > > > as for my suggestions as to advice or group agreed rules, Ailsa is >right, it > > would be too much effort. I was just trying to help. I felt that if >there is > > discontent as to how the list was run, there should be some way to solve >the > > problem. I mean, hey, if there are a lot of discontented people, and > > discontented for good reason, than maybe they should be heard. > >In hindsight, I wish I had taken out that bit about getting my inbox >clogged up with rule suggestions. Not because I know think it's a good >idea, but because I don't feel I have any right to tell Honey how to run >his list, and neither does anyone else. That is not to say I am right >obviously, and perhaps if you all write to Honey and tell him how you >feel about things he will do something about it. That is, after all, >what he's there for :) > >Big hurrahs to Nick Dastoor for being the second SOS-er out of the >closet. I know three people know involved in this (one has written to >me privately, but public outing of this person is at their discretion >not mine), and so far if I *had* to have an elected body to run this >thing, all three of them would be on it. But it was all working so >well before the shit got thrown at the fan, why the hell is this making >such a difference? Can anyone honestly say that had these allegations >not been made public that they were desperately unhappy with the way >Paul is running this list? > >To anyone else I may have been causing offence to, I'm really really >sorry. I am not one of Paul's little gang of friends, I have met him >twice and have probably spoken to him for about five minutes in my >life. I am just a fan of this list and I want to stand up for it and it >so happens that the way I see it is that means I have to stick up for >Paul too. I am all of these things I tried to stand up for earlier in >the week, nice, courteous, tolerant, polite, well I try to be wherever >possible. So if I upset anyone else with my poorly phrased thoughts, >I'm sorry :) It sounded nice and rational and non-controversial in my >head, I swear :) > >That's more than enough from me now, and once more, apologies to >Cynthia. I'm going for a lie down, people who wrote to me, you'll just >have to wait until later I'm afraid. But thanks :) > >Ailsa xx > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Right then, can we stop this bloody madness. please
by David Geraghty 21 May '99

21 May '99

this is an email list about a band we all love. Can we all stop being so bloody precious as it is getting us no-where. I love B&S, and i reckon the rest of you do too. If anyone really has a problem, then unsubscribe. No one is making you stay, and if you have such a massive problem with all this, you won't mind. This is getting petty, and i'm getting bored. Belle and Sebastian. Just thought a few of you needed reminding.... sorry for my tone, cos, shit, i am fairly new... david +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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by Cynthia Someone 21 May '99

21 May '99

Dear list people: I feel I must speak, because obviously I have been misheard in some respects. Ailsa suggests that I am criticizing Honey's efforts and that for some reason the length of time I have been on the list (9 months) has something to do with my ideas... Basically I am what could be considered an open person, to the point of being as open to liberalism as conservativism. I often don't form opinions at the expense of another side. and what I was trying to do was not side against or for Honey, but trying to come up with an understanding that embraces both sides. as other people have said, we cannot run away from our problems, and for people to just say, lets forget all problems, lets attack/be dissappointed in seb, lets flounce off and be self-righteous, is just avoidance. There appears to be little all-embracing love in this discussion. people are choosing sides. Why choose sides? Why not try and understand everyone. Funkyseb is not a bad person, and I've always enjoyed his posts. I've always enjoyed being on the list and everyone's postings, and I have a hard time trying to convince myself that anyone on the list knows who to judge or blame, simply because no one seems to understand the whole situation. So I would rather think that everyone is writing out of sincerity and so not blame anyone. I blame qualities of nature, and not people. as for my suggestions as to advice or group agreed rules, Ailsa is right, it would be too much effort. I was just trying to help. I felt that if there is discontent as to how the list was run, there should be some way to solve the problem. I mean, hey, if there are a lot of discontented people, and discontented for good reason, than maybe they should be heard. Cynthia _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Why I'm not leaving Sinister
by Nick.Dastoor＠guardian.co.uk 21 May '99

21 May '99

I'm not going to go on and on about this, but I just thought I'd say a few things that might make this a bit clearer: Yes, SoS does exist. I think it's a crap name and gives the wrong impression (ie. that Sinister is "theirs" to be saved from unspecified "others"). It's not like that. In the short time I was on it, it emphatically did NOT sit there 'monitoring' what gets posted to Sinister. It just got formed because Honey needed to sound ideas off about what to do about the list when it went through a bad patch late last year (remember all that US vs UK animosity that got whipped up by some people, for example?). It wasn't an elected list no - just a bunch of people who had made helpful suggestions before or that he had got to know and trust somehow. I wasn't on it. And I was a bit shocked when I found out about it earlier this year. I said to Honey how bad the whole thing looked and he was dead embarrased and tried to explain why it had got formed. I belatedly joined. The reason it was kept secret is that it does sound bad - like there's an A-list of people. But I erally think it's not like that. When you think about it *anyone's* got the right to talk to *whoever* they want, especially about things that matter to them so much. The other options were just to stick with talking to people on an individual basis (which is not that efficient as a way of bouncing around ideas) or to clog up the Sinister list with talk about it (which is a surefire way of making the list dull as ditchwater). OR have an elected body, which is what Seb and others have suggested. Why not have an elected body? a) I think it's impractical and makes the whole thing look like some kind of bloody UN agency - it's a POP MUSIC LIST for heaven's sake. I think we'd become a laughing stock. I can just imagine telling my friends that I'm canvassing votes for my Belle and Sebastian 'Vote Dastoor and I'll send you your bundles of digests sprinkled in glitter' ticket. I think it would put load of people off joining at all - the idea that we're all in some kind of competition to be the most popular listees so that we get elected. b)More importantly, it's Honey's list and he runs it how he thinks best. There was never, as FunkySeb implies 'democracy' on the list. And the list was NEVER run by SoS. As it happened, someone suggested (the last time SoS was active) posting messages to it expressing their final views on whether we should accept Jeepster's offer to run the list under the belleandsebastian.co.uk domain. They asked everyone to flag their messages in the subject heading to make it clear what they 'voted' for. Which did make it look like a council. But this *wasn't* Honey's idea, and he made it clear in his response that he was not acting as a result of the way the votes fell but because he had come to his own decision, for which he took all responsibility. The only real thing to come out of the discussion on SoS was to start up the nursery period. Which I think has worked really well, giving people a chance to get the feel of the place and look around at the archives and website before launching in. In my view, there have been some lovely, interesting posts from new people lately. I hope that doesn't sound patronising. SoS, to my knowledge, went pretty quiet (like only about a couple of posts a month) after that and only really got revived to talk about what to do about Jeepster setting up their own list and so on. > Well, because many of the people who used to contribute so >much to the real list have joined SOS, and stopped posting to the real >list. (I can think of only a couple of exceptions to this rule.) And I >can only think that they spend so much time seeing if our posts are up to >scratch that they don't have the time to contribute to the list >themselves... All I can say about this is that if it's is the case (which I don't think it is) then it's certainly not because they are spending their time on SoS instead. They're probably just shagging. >I won't stay on a list where a handful of unelected people (fuck it, >let's call it what it is...a clique) decide who and what meets their >standards, and ridicule and bully those whom they dislike. I've read >things from the SOS list, and I've read bulling letters sent by its >members, and I hate what I see. I'm horrified but if anyone has received bullying messages from *anyone* , SoS or non SoS, then I completely deplore it. If these bullies were SoS people that I have met and liked then I'm really cross at myself for having misjudged them. But the question is: 'What would you do about it?'. No one, not even Honey with all his magic powers, can stop people being horrible to people in private emails. All he can do is keep it off the list. Which he does a bloody effective job of - too effective in some people's eyes to judge from last week's nonsense. Personally, I'm glad about SoS getting wound up. I understood why Paul needed it but I had a horrid feeling that it was going to end in tears. Shame FunkySeb felt the need to drag it all through the mud, but hopefully people won't all rush off like Andrew without hearing the other side of the story first. I'm forwarding this to him in the vain hope that he might come back. Love you all. I think the list has been *great* the last coule of months. I've certainly laughed like an idiot at many a post. I might even have cried once or twice. Actually I'm crying now, but that's because my contact lens is playing up. Nick xxx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". 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Sinister: we've got spies
by andrew skilton 21 May '99

21 May '99

boo. funkyseb wrote this: > But there is something deeply wrong with our list. Not many of you will >know this, but Sinister is really two lists- the one you're reading, and >a second, secret list, where friends of Honey discuss how the list is >running, and decide what they should do to make it run the way in the way >that they want it to. interesting that, considering how long the rules for posting (cunningly and somewhat misleadingly referred to as the "FAQ") are, they fail to mention probably the singularly most important thing about the list - that we're all being watched and commented on all of the time. while i'm all for keeping such a huge list under strict control to stop it getting out of hand, this is taking things to a quite ridiculous and frankly stupid level. what kind of a mailing list is it where a group of people who consider themselves to be above the regular list members have their own forum for discussing what we write? i'm not sure what the answer to that is, to be honest, asides from one where i don't want to be. i've only been here for a month and it's been great; i've met some nice people, got a copy of tigermilk and even laughed at the odd post or two (thanks fluffysarah for making me grin LOTS at ALL of her FUNNY POSTS and GREAT WRITING STYLE), but i've sent my unsubscribe command with this message and don't intend on joining again in the future - my e-mail address is at the bottom of this post if you feel compelled to reply to me personally. i'm sure there'll be loads of debate on this subject, with nearly every post better and more intelligently put than this one, but i don't care. whilst these posts are and continue to be analysed by honey and his elite little clique, the whole thing seems a pointless and ego-driven waste of time. andrew. ( andrew(a)dreamwish.freeserve.co.uk ) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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