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Sinister: Shyness is nice and shyness can stop you....
by CALLENDAR R 20 May '99

20 May '99

...from doing all the things in life you want to... To return to the question from Chris[?] about how he, being shy, can meet shy girls..well, I'm very shy when it comes to chatting people up. My ideal guy would be shy, and often if I see someone I fancy, they do turn out to be shy when we are finally encouraged to talk. The trouble is, even with some eye contact, I am still too shy to approach them and if they are shy as well then we are doomed to just glance/stare at eachother across the dancefloor for the whole night. I always say that I want people to come up to me. Unfortunately those that do approach me I do not fancy myself. The best method for a shy boy to talk to a potential partner or friend is to get one of your friends to go and get the person you like. It saves alot of time. Happened to me last night. The strange thing is that I can go up to someone I don't fancy without any problems, and being an actor, I can publically display myself on stage without problems either. Are there any other shy people on the list who feel the same way? How do you get together with people you fancy? IN IT FOR THE MONEY. There are two schools of thought about Belle & Sebastian and Jeepster that their shyness of the media is because they don't want to whore themselves to the detriment of their art OR that it is a ploy to attract listeners from a particular sector of the music buying public. If that is the case then they have succeeded. And well done to them. Personally I don't think that making money is bad. It is what you do with it that counts and how it affects you. If you use your money to improve your art or to help others then that is good. But if you waste your money and get greedy and let your music or art suffer because of that, then that is bad. Money in the right hands can do alot of good. So do not chastise a band or record company for striving to better themselves through making money. If Jeepster can make more money they can find and sign up more bands like (or totally different to) Belle & Sebastian. As long as the bands they sign make beautiful music and/or have something interesting to say then I think that is good. What do others think. Just a brief note: I was under the impression that it costs under a pound to actually press a CD, and even after publicity costs, artwork e.t.c a CD that is MASS PRODUCED and sold for £1.99 can make money. Certainly, with ALBUMS, the cost to make an album is considerably less than what they are sold for. VERY small record companies have to sell their albums at a higher cost because they have to pay for and do alot of the publicity themselves. Whether or not Jeepster can be seen as one such record company nowdays is another matter. I recently bought the 'Dog on Wheels' and 'This is Just a Modern Rock Song' EPs for £5 each in HMV. Why they cost this I do not know. That's all. Goodbye for now. //ROB xx http://www.angelfire.com/ga/yindiescene/index2.html -----Original Message----- From: Jim Schmidt To: sinister(a)Majordomo.net Sent: 20/05/99 17:09 Subject: Sinister: the new who revue i just wanted to say hello and thank you to everyone i met at bowlie...i just got back from my european vacation and apart from dodging bombs, it was highly enjoyable. > a very special thanks to pam berry for organizing the bus!!! you are truly the best. (sorry i missed your party, but i was a little too close to the bombing the night before)...christa (if you're still on the list)--sorry we didn't hook up in london--but i'll send you something special, you teenage fannie, as soon as i get back on west coast time...and pedraic--thanks for showing me how the irish drink...of course, i missed all the sinister socials cuz i was too busy shagging my chalet-mates...but the entire weekend was truly something special...the fascist security guards snatching professional cameras and recording equipment was a bit distressing but danger makes everything more fun, now doesn't it? > i was a bit disturbed to hear about the dublin show with stuart smashing his guitar (i just found out about it today)...but you know they played "the kids are allright" as their last song at bowlie, so maybe stuart thinks he's in the who now as they pretty much started that whole smashing guitar thing...and as for all this conversation about early demos, 10-hour sound checks, the re-release of 'tigermilk', etc., just keep in mind 'all virgos are mad'...and our favorite stuart m. is one of the cursed... > cheers everyone.jim. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". 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Sinister: the new who revue
by Jim Schmidt 20 May '99

20 May '99

i just wanted to say hello and thank you to everyone i met at bowlie...i just got back from my european vacation and apart from dodging bombs, it was highly enjoyable. > a very special thanks to pam berry for organizing the bus!!! you are truly the best. (sorry i missed your party, but i was a little too close to the bombing the night before)...christa (if you're still on the list)--sorry we didn't hook up in london--but i'll send you something special, you teenage fannie, as soon as i get back on west coast time...and pedraic--thanks for showing me how the irish drink...of course, i missed all the sinister socials cuz i was too busy shagging my chalet-mates...but the entire weekend was truly something special...the fascist security guards snatching professional cameras and recording equipment was a bit distressing but danger makes everything more fun, now doesn't it? > i was a bit disturbed to hear about the dublin show with stuart smashing his guitar (i just found out about it today)...but you know they played "the kids are allright" as their last song at bowlie, so maybe stuart thinks he's in the who now as they pretty much started that whole smashing guitar thing...and as for all this conversation about early demos, 10-hour sound checks, the re-release of 'tigermilk', etc., just keep in mind 'all virgos are mad'...and our favorite stuart m. is one of the cursed... > cheers everyone.jim. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Drinks that are nicer than warm flat Panda Cola (just)
by Alan Singfield 20 May '99

20 May '99

If you think Dr.Pepper tastes bad, wait 'til you try Dr.Salt! Spanners. >-< +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Non B+S message
by Sarah Drayton 20 May '99

20 May '99

This is a just a quick e-mail for Jacqui. Jacqui, I can't seem to get through to your e-mail address for some unknown reason(is there something wrong with your e-mail account?). Anyway, please mail me again and I'll try again to send you my message. Sorry everyone else! :) sarah ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Summat POSITIVE(!)
by Suave & Elegant 20 May '99

20 May '99

Well, well, well. It seems like the Iain thing has all blown over now, and everything can return to how it was, hopefully with everyone feeling more content and fulfilled after the storm. The reason I haven't posted in the last couple of days ISN'T because I've been sitting here laughing maniacally at the erupting maelstrom as some of you may think (Certain accusations of me attempting to stir up trouble and 'enjoy the fallout' have been bandied about ... perhaps understandably, but it's woefully inaccurate). I've had a lot of personal messages from people who agreed with what I was trying to point out (by the way, I'm now sacrificing babies in honour of anyone who called me 'eloquent' - cheers!) but I think things may have got a little out of hand. I'm not some kind of confrontation enthusiast, and my intention was definitely NOT to turn a friendly, vibrant and (for want of a better word) cool list such as this into the WWF Super-Corduroyweight championships ... to be honest, most of the inspiration came from a misguided need to express myself. I'm also a creative writing student who's fully aware of the fact that I write more fluently and expressively when I'm trying to argue. There's no need for anyone to post anything else defending the list and its subscribers - just look through the archives and you'll find that everything posted in the last two days does that itself. There was no better proof of the maturity, insight and intelligence of the majority of the list than the way the brief carry-on was dealt with. Yes, some folk hastily grabbed their pitchforks, mounted their soapbox and revealed themselves to be a little too close to Iain's stereotype for comfort, but that was only a minority. Nobody ever said that there was a HUGE 'problem' on this list, and hopefully there never will be. As long as there's never any snobbery and elitism, that is. Something slightly worrying did arise however ; the word 'fake' was used on more than one occasion. Although the label was never directed towards anyone in particular, there's no need to use that word. It's a Manics fans' word, that. Remember that when the lines are drawn between fans there's always some kind of trouble. I was actually attacked once at a Manics gig (two girls almost gave me a solid kicking - mock if you will) for allegedly being a 'Richeyphile fake'. Does anyone want to see that kind of self-righteous piffle appearing here? Of course not. Just make sure it doesn't. P.S - I don't seriously use 'Suave And Elegant' as a description of myself. As anyone who has encountered my photo yet will testify, 'Rough and Unremarkable would be more accurate! A whole lot more love Ciarán -- ------------ Ciarán Lynch elu488(a)bangor.ac.uk +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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by Jordi Trenzano i Vilar 20 May '99

20 May '99

Hi, people: This e-mail server makes my posts look like some kind of weird long telegrams, but thatŽs the only way I can post an ything. I agree that itŽs not fair just to make 10 00 copies of a 7" single, but, in the other hand, it would be also unfair take benefits of making 25.000 people pay for only a french version of a song that theyŽll have in the album. I think that "weathershow" was released just to promote the album, not for getting any benefits for them. And in my local store I only had to pay less than 3 pounds. Diiferent topic: The boss of the lovely spanish label Elefant records told me some time ago that they were expecting to release a limited edition 7" from Sal ako for their cool "Single club" , which releases 12 vinyl singles a year only paying a subscription. Is it true ?If thatŽs true I think iŽm going to subscribe, as they expect to have rel eases from Cinerama as well. Oh, and finally, the morrissey-solo website is having a discussion about the B&S select article, and the majority of the opinions are positive to our twee heros. LetŽs take our toy swords and in vade the site: www.morrissey-solo.com Bye ============================== ==================== Jordiet Sinistre ================================================== Tu E-Mail Gratis en http://www.mixmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Two Posts in a Day - I'm a Bastard
by Mick McMick * Sandcastle Records 20 May '99

20 May '99

Don't ask me what three means, but it's worse than two. Er, so I'll try to keep it short. Anyway, to Teri, Winter Wooskie or Woofkie or whatever the heck the spelling is is a new song. Didn't they play it at Bowlie? I wasn't there but I saw the setlist posted, I think they played it in Ireland too. Anyway, if memory serves Stu D takes singing duties, and the name is a nickname for Karn. And then on to what Elle said.. First of all, what's all this about wanking? Second of all she said this: > My point was - WHEN HAVE JEEPSTER EVER DONE WRONG BY US? The answer > is never. Firstly, I never intended to blame the Tigermilk thing on Jeepster, my qualm with the label is elsewhere. Well, this is obviously just a matter of opinion, but as Tim mentioned in his posts, Jeepster's treatment of the Gentle Waves 7" was a little odd. Quite a number of people expressed dismay at this, so I don't think Tim is in a minority and I agree with him. The point is, if they're in it for the fans, why make a limited edition 7" that costs 5 pounds? I mean, I usually buy my records in dollars, so I don't know exactly how exorbitant that is, but doing the conversion in my head, it seems more than a tad bit harsh. Surely collector fodder, or why limit the pressing? I'm just glad they only put a french version of an album tune as a b-side, so that I wasn't tempted to get it. also... > Yes, we do - but what is the hubbub about? Jeepster DON'T charge 40 > pounds per album - so why the fuss? My personal fussing was over the suggestion that we as fans had no right to criticize the decisions of a band or label. Lastly > The point is that Jeepster is a GOOD label, they make mistakes, but at > the core of that label is Mark's belief in his bands. I'm not saying Jeepster is a *bad* label, but mistakes are mistakes, and if they deserve a criticism or two, so be it. It's not the end of the world, after all. /"\_/"\_/"\ Brian Pennington, a.k.a. Mick McMick; Sandcastle Records \ / bp224996(a)ohiou.edu ICQ#5056758 | | Sandcastle Recs Homepage: http://www.frognet.net/~mick/ | | "I am always wishing to make people | | in the world happy with my smiles." | | -Mr. Friendly +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: underwear and winter wooskie?
by vlass＠interlog.com 20 May '99

20 May '99

first there's teri signing off: >ciao >the real teri and em (older, better, and smarter) there's ian saying: >well...i guess its up to me to say hi to terri.. accept it, love, we've been >washed under the tide of newbies.. and then there's me, surprised, because i've never met so many "ter(r)i's" in one place at once! i mean, with certain names you expect it.. but teri? hello, then, my compadres. see, we're lucky because we get to think that in "the stars of track and field" stuart is singing, "you only did it so that you could wear ter(r)i's underwear...". YEAH! there is a high demand of people wanting to wear ter(r)i underwear, you know. (although, i did find it especially funny that teri's flatmate is also named em(ily).. what are the odds? well okay, maybe they're pretty good, but still) props to nick dastoor for putting up those song lyrics. i don't think i've seen the full hardcopy of "century of elvis" anywhere. ahh, and he's saying they're watching the E-FILES.. for the life of me, i could never quite discern what stuart was saying. a question though.. what is 'Winter Wooskie'? that's one song i haven't heard anything about.. lesley-wo (wellllcome back!) asked: > anyone see that JOan of Arc thing on US tv?? i didn't see it, but cat power is showing the joan of arc film on her neat little multimedia tour. it's silent, and there are some pretty crazy closeups of joan's eyes.. i like giving "props" to people, it's fun to write.. props to y'all teri xx http://members.tripod.com/~meltingsnow/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I L*I*K*E S*M*U*T!!!
by rebelstrange＠ldd.net 20 May '99

20 May '99

From: "Chris Jones" <chris.jones(a)saqnet.co.uk> there are any shy sinister girls who could guide me as to how shy gals like to be treated. I know it sounds really pathetic me asking this but i didn't know who else to turn to. Now there is a topic close to my heart. dear chris. i wish i could give you advice. when i used to LONG for a shy boy, i was in high school. mayb ei can remember how i wished he would treat me when i found him. i never found one, but that's beside the point by this time. in any case--i'm fairly S** myself but i've gotten better about approaching people i find nice. the subtle approach works for me and is comfortable. give a compliment. if you notice you have something in common, start talking about that. and shuffle your feet, blush and stutter a lot and make pigeontoes, and bat your eyelashes. say "aw, shucks" if they tell you anythign nice about yourself. leave shiny apples on their doorsteps and ALWAYS, make LOTS and LOTS of crush tapes about how they make you feel cos it seems to work for me. well, nearly. IN IT FOR THE MONEY?? well, anyway. if i was selling records i'd probably want to make a ton of money. money really does make you bitter. a social psychology principle tells us that "extrinsic rewards for intrinsically rewarding tasks diminish the enjoyment of the task" i.e. if you get paid for wanking off, gradually you start not having as much fun as you used to. it's worth experimenting on. i've found it true, although not necessarily about wanking per se. Now we see the emergence of the "mean" b&s. what are they, jekyll and hyde? first the camera ripping away, and then stuart making a big mess all over the place. maybe my friends this is the end of our little happy fun time. enjoy it while you can cos the millenium promises the bellesters will be identified as the new anti-christ and all that stuff (anyone ever find back-masking on "Mary Jo"?) i dont' know who said it, but *I* have one of those little special seven inches!! i have one only. and it's quite beautiful. the early bird gets the worm. it's selfish indeed, but oh so worth it to brag about to a bunch of shuffling weirdos......and miniscule in the broader world. haha. "glockenspiel" heehee yay. one person has a crush on me. bugger. i realized how spoiled i got. i think i was under the temporary delusion that i was popular, "for one brief shining moment". you see i've never been popular in my life. list crush was the only thing holding me up some days. (yeah) i dont' know it's gibberish, though, sour grapes. who is this "trousers" fellow? must be some rash newbie. ;) i'd better disabuse myself of the idea that i'm popular. it could like, ruin me for the rest of mylife. i realize this could sound like some underhanded attempt at getting sympathy. aww well fuck it then. you just can't win can you? weejay, i dont think i ever read any of those stories you listed. oh except the great gatsby. (no capitals mind you) it was rather nice i spose. my favorite character was Jordan. she was a tomboy. he. i can't help it, flapper girls were the cutest. i know they all drank like fish and probably had about 20 diseases. they were still fab. mm djuna barnes was really pretty in the 20's. there were a lot of loveley girls in the 20's, (but not gertrude stein) maybe that's sexist of me to say so, they should be considered on their talents, but they were pretty as well. anway i haven't read any of the other things. i've heard Jeanette winterson compared to Milan Kundera, but i have been trepidatious about reading anything by himj--- i'm EXTREMELY fickle about my fiction. half the books i start i put down before they are through because they bore me. (i have "issues".) But, i did enjoy MUCHLY the Nine Stories by uh, that guy. Salinger, the old perv. he may be an old perv, and all that, but those stories are really fabulous with a couple exceptions. i was shocked. we should really have a sinister book club. we could all read franny and zooey, and the bell jar, and cat's cradle and oranges are not the only fruit and the children's hour and tea and sympathy and the color purple. you know what? i read a HORRID quote by Vonnegut the other day that was incredibly sexist. he said "educating a woman is like pouring honey on a fine swiss watch, it stops working". naturally i was offended and horrified. that doesnt' mean i enjoy cat's cradle less, but i'll remember to be cautious in the future. anyone see that JOan of Arc thing on US tv?? i'll grant it was actually pretty accurate, they didnt' take as many liberties as i expected, and it wasn't too sensational. the girl who played her had a really nice sort of chaste prettiness to her, and the scenes of the people in chain armor on their horses in thes now with swords and things, well they were massive, and rather poetic, actually. there was a lot of "action" but what do you expect. from network tv. okay this post sucks! but i *did* respond to things other people said, so i was good. i still hate this day. ERRRGH this day should take a flying leap. well i'm gonna go now. maybe i'll call my pretend girlfriend, or maybe the other one actually. sometime ask Mark C to sing "Losing IT" in Italian. it's a bash! LJ http://www.members.tripod.com/rebelstrange The boat that brings us here will crack beneath your weight. This is territory you cannot invade. "I'll go and play with words and pictures" SAVE MST3K!!!! http://www.mst3kinfo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". 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Sinister: Premier post.
by Ahab0125＠aol.com 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hello, It seems as though I've been given a "voice" amid a light flurry of controversy. I would like to respond to what Tim and Elle have been saying in particular. I don't think it is at all irrational to place a high consideration on the relationship between artists and their art; a genuine sincerity leads the two to become inseparable. "Art" made strictly for the money is a product and the "artist" a craftsman. This doesn't mean, however, that artists capable of earning a living from their art are guilty of this, in fact it is unfair to look upon a complete lack of consideration for a career as the only true sign of sincerity. If an artist creates something as a result of an honest impulse and they can potentially stand to gain from it why not do so? If the hope of gain serves as that initial impulse then it's a different story, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. Obscurity and neglect are too often glorified. Some artists begin with something perverted by that hope of gain, while others later become perverted by it. I don't think Belle and Sebastian can be accused of either. If their next album sounds like Sugar Ray I'll stand corrected. I don't think that their "media-shyness" involves any posturing, rather it seems to indicate a greater focus on doing what they do instead of surrendering to the lure of media hype. I do agree that anything can and should be looked upon critically, but sometimes if one goes looking in search of an ill motivation it will be found, whether it's there or not. As far as Jeepster goes, record companies are businesses and seldom patrons of the arts...Although the same principle applies, a heartfelt interest in the bands who's records they sell ought to be maintained, and to me it seems as though this is true of Jeepster. They seem to be fair to the listeners as well. That's all. James +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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