May 1999 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: muttering kites
by ian 19 May '99

19 May '99

well...i guess its up to me to say hi to terri.. accept it, love, we've been washed under the tide of newbies...but one day they'll come back to our sandcastle and it'll still be standing. erm..yeah.. i think i'm going to try and answer about 60 things in one email. but i'll probably only manage three.. i'm a bit distracted by mama cass chirruping her way through "my love" and a loud sound from upstairs, either the storm clouds are gathering over the fair city of wolverhampton or some grand pianos are having a party in the flat above. oh, and i'm having the sex on channel 5 pointed out to me. not very interesting sex really, otherwise it wouldn't be on channel 5. so..lesley said ~i've just had the luxury of hearing the gentle waves gig in london thanks to ~special people in my network of confidantes. it's so lovely. it makes me ~feel good. it's like a musical version of st johns wort, or whatever...it ~just a musical version of saint john's wort? ugh. i had some of that once and it gave me stomach ache. you say isobel does the same thing? well, that's all i need to know. by the way lesley, i'd love to hear b&s cover barry white. oddly enough, there's an add for diaorrhea tablets on the telly. now the woman doesn't worry about cacking herself on the bus cos it all comes out of her mouth instead. maybe there's a message in there somewhere. somebody was asking for book recommendations...well, its not english literature but i'd recommend anything by hermann hesse. i've just finished "klingsor's last summer" and its great. and if you're out for a lighter read, try some martin millar.."lux the poet" is great. so...a couple of lines of b&s content... does terri win the prize for longest bowlie tag wearing or does anybody else claim that? i took mine off the day i got back. hit myself in the face by accident. ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: just another point of view
by Genevieve Wesley 19 May '99

19 May '99

re:that guy and the bitter mail ok,first of all the whole `oh it hits too close to home thing` ok,sensitive stan makes me laugh so much,i think his are funny,and its not even a case of being offended, but this other guy, i mean,if you`re going to be a parody of something,can you at least be funny? he just seemed a little too miss thang and `take THAT you venomous (pink and soft) snakes!` for my tastes, i mean, geez,hissy fit. this whole pink cardigan fluffy kitten image is bad,but the other end of the spectrum is just as dreadfully boring."badasses" with no fear who only talk about a)latest "wild" drug adventures b) rebellious sex adventures c)their syphilis and being bloated on a toilet ...can get pretty lame as well. i mean, OOOH you REBEL you...try being 13 and finding out your pregnant! Oh, It`s so fun! Especially when your boyfriend dumps you when he finds out! Cool! sorry,i don`t mean to get all righteous "the more you know" type of person on you all,i just wanted to add another perspective, that in some cases its not a question of image or anything like thator taking offense, simply its a question of unfunny-ness,dammit,and a question of style. gosh,i`m not really this serious, i`m attending that darts championship at camber sands,it`s my nerves really,they are just on edge. but be nice to sinister,the golden rule you know,you may end up one day bloated on a toilet, green with syphilis, bitter and old and alone,with no wife or husband to make you a nice fresh apple pie. its the nerves,honest xo Gunther`s Voice ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re:
by ian 19 May '99

19 May '99

cynthia: >yeah. he said cosmos. Where are the lefthanders, the flatfooters, and the >open-mouthed, and those with mismatched pairs of socks to proclaim their >alliance with said cosmos? By the way, I keep trying to push the shift key, >but it doesn't always want to obey me. maybe the keyboards (of the world >unite!) are trying to tell me something. actually, its because i'm watching you. and i'm making sure the keyboard doesn't respond to your uncosmic attempts at shiftkeying. i can control an electronic device at thirty feet (makes going into sex shops interesting) remember that bloke you bumped into on the bus? the one that smelled faintly of aniseed? well, that wasn't me. but i can still see everything you are doing. and i'm stealing your biscuits... >nothing b&s related here. >lovelorn (isn't lovelorn a great word?), >Cynthia yes. does it mean longing for love or in love? i know, i could go and get a dictionary but getting off my bum is against my principles. ian +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: absolutely no b&s content. sorry
by rachel tucker 19 May '99

19 May '99

right, i'll try and get straight to the point here(!) was anyone else skiving of school/uni/work etc. yesterday and hear travis on jo whiley? obviously, being a major travis fan (and not being ashamed to admit it. oh no. they're good, honestly. even though i once read that the divine franny never rated mad dog murdoch b4 b&s!!! how could this be?! oh look, there is some b&s content after all :-)), i taped it all and very lovely it was too. what i was wondering was if anyone had any info on this singer/songwriter susie hug (?) whose song 'the unbelievers' they covered. it was absolutely fantastic and i want to check her out, see if she is any good. so could any of you kind people help? someone must know her surely.... much love and obligations, rachel xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: TIGERMILK SOUND CHECK!
by Elish Hope 19 May '99

19 May '99

Bummer about the release date for Tigermilk being set back until July! I have a copy of Tigermilk, and I would like to have a little listening party for anyone who would like to join me. May be we could do it in June around the date it is coming out in the UK - that way we won't feel as left out.... I live in the Seattle area ; ehope(a)nwmls.com OR check out Seattle Sinister - A Bootleg Message Board (sorry Honey! XOXO) at : www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb506720 Hope I hear from some people!!! PS - Cardies are not a requirement for entry! :) Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: what a lot of bother
by Megan K Lehar 19 May '99

19 May '99

my, this is the busiest that the list has been since before the bowlie! but there are some rather interesting posts today. first off, jeanette changed my life when she said: >According to the Dr Pepper Museum (www.drpeppermuseum.com) this dp museum???? ooooh, this is the anwser to my wildest dreams! while living in texas, i became addicted to the fiber enriched elixar (as it's made with plums, it keeps your bowels nice and fresh) and have become something of the addict. i believe that the actual *secret* ingredient is actually crack. all i know is that i keep coming back to it. keeping up with the fecalphellia theme, martin robinson said: >tenderly by the hands of a certain Honey. It's not to say if your pet >labrodor Harold takes a dump on the lawn someone rushes out with a poopa >scoopa, it's normally left for the flies to feast on, but if someone >lets a herd of elephants come in a dump on the prize rose bushes surely >a quiet word with the local zoo is in order. that has to be the best metaphor i've heard in quite awhile. then genevieve lit up my life by saying: >but be nice to sinister,the golden rule you know,you may end up one day >bloated on a toilet, green with syphilis, bitter and old and alone,with no >wife or husband to make you a nice fresh apple pie. which is another mental image that i was desperate without. for one so young, your wisdom encompasses the ages genni. um, i guess that was it. not a lot i suppose, i just thought it was odd that so many people wanted to cram their heads up the collective list ass. but you know, fin de siecle. read some joyce. xoxo megan +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Dr. Pepper swap-meet
by DavidJ2502＠aol.com 19 May '99

19 May '99

Hello, What?!? You mean American listees are enjoying a higher standard of Dr. Pepper than those of us here in the UK of K. I am shocked and apalled and shocked again. Can we organise a Pepsi Challenge thing where all American listees send a can over here and we all send one over there please? I want to know what your version tastes like. And while we're on the subject, who was Dr. Pepper anyway? I picture him as a sort of Colonel Sanders, only with fruit. Bottoms Up, David J. PS. According to the bottle next to me, it's "fruit flavour." How enigmatic. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: B&S MONEY MAKING OUTRAGE!:)
by erika balsom 19 May '99

19 May '99

hello all! >So B&S have been "media-shy" and "elusive" and whatever else the >music magazines have said about them. speaking of this, today i was looking at the spin online website... so i decided to type "belle and sebastian" in the search field.... one of the returned articles was a write-up on the bowlie weekender. at the end of the article, after the bit about the b&s show, the writer said that "Whether B&S will continue to hold their fans is another matter: they were mean enough to instruct security men to grab fans' cameras and rip the film out. Which, for some, was a very sour ending to an otherwise entertainingly childish weekend. " i just found it odd that b&s should be called "mean".... "media-shy" maybe, but mean is something entirely different. erika +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: REMOTE WANKING
by Elish Hope 19 May '99

19 May '99

Is someone using that damn remote wanking machine? All this logical debate is getting me excited.... Mick McMick Wrote: Well, it's our business because we put down our hard or hardly-earned cash to buy those recordings. I'm not saying I don't agree with most of the the things B&S do, but Jeepster is another matter. If they started charging 40 pounds (I can't make the little L thingee come up) for their albums, don't you think we'd have a right to criticize? I mean, we have a right to criticize *anything* don't we? Free speech and all that. Yes, we do - but what is the hubbub about? Jeepster DON'T charge 40 pounds per album - so why the fuss? In fact, when labels do the singles for the 1.99 for the first week, they all lose money. Major labels do it to get in the charts, Jeepster did it when they weren't even eligible for the charts due to the 4 song EP rule. My point was - WHEN HAVE JEEPSTER EVER DONE WRONG BY US? The answer is never. Sorry if some people feel hurt byt the length of time it took the band to bring out Tigermilk, but Mark has been begging for that to be re-released for ages. That was a decision left up to the band. Keep in mind since this whole deal began - what is it now 3 years ago? They have released 4 albums and 4 (Is there more I am forgetting?) 4 track EP's - it's not like they haven't been doing anything. Actually that isn't too bad for a band that took 11 hours or so to sound check at Bowlie as reports said. At the end of the day, my only point at the start of this was to ask people to have a little faith in a band AND in a label that has given us so much. Okay, may be you don't like Snow Patrol or Salako - I do. I ADORE Snow Patrol. But that isn't the point. The point is that Jeepster is a GOOD label, they make mistakes, but at the core of that label is Mark's belief in his bands. And he really truly believe's in them. We are lucky that he does. It is the patience of Jeepster and those that work there that bring us the music we love. I am not trying to remote wank Mark or Jeepster, it's just that's how I feel. And I know others feel the same. As for Mick and Tim, I am glad that you like to disagree with me - it's fun to talk and it get's the mental juice's flowing a bit! Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: B&S MONEY MAKING OUTRAGE!:)
by Elish Hope 19 May '99

19 May '99

Dear Sinisterettes: If debate bores or irritates you, please refrain from reading the following as my Right Honorable Friend Tim Hopkins and I, Elle Zober, are about to embark on a rather healthy discussion! Tim Wrote: It's probably deeply irrational and can't be justified on a pure theoretical basis, but actually how an artist feels about her/his art is quite important to me. I often feel very uncomfortable with music or other art which is (as far as I'm concerned) made *for* the money. I think being 'in it for the money' is just about the worst reason I can think of for making art. (Propogating hate politics would be worse I suppose, but I'm sure you know what I mean). >What is so wrong with making money? I think there's something wrong with money being someone's principal motivation for making something. Some of us work to make money such that we can fund the other things that we want to do. I'd rather have it that way round than make a perverted version of something I love because I 'have to make money'. I'm not saying B&S have done that, incidentally. Money changes everything. >More to the point, all this aside, when have you EVER known Jeepster >or >B&S >(AS A BAND) to steer us wrong and take advantage of us. Aside from, let's say, the odd limited-edition 7"s that some people are already desperate for, and unable to get hold of? >Sometimes it sounds like people are being a weeny bit selfish by >asking >all >these questions. Sometimes I think that an entirely uncritical attitude to anything(except perhaps Vic Godard) might be a bit of a problem. >I think it is disrespectful to carry on >about these things when Jeepster and B&S have always done right by >the >fans. My attitude towards Belle and Sebastian is not a very critical one, but that surely doen't mean that I shouldn't say that they're doing things wrong if I think they are. I think the whole Tigermilk reissue issue has been disastrously handled, and it has led to desperate fans paying over the odds (their choice, I know, but not an unpredictable one)and extensive bootlegging. Neither of which the band claim to want. It's an old issue, and one that has been thoroughly played out in the archives, but it serves as an example. Please note that I'm not saying that anyone has the right to tell B&S what to release and how and when, but at the same time that doesn't mean they have 'always done right by the fans'. This doesn't mean that I don't love B&S completely, either, because I do. As for Jeepster, I think their attitude towards this list it has left some things to be desired from time to time. But that's a whole 'nother story. >This email may not win me any friends here, and I am sorry. I hope it hasn't made you any enemies either. I'm all for a bit of informed discussion. More of this later, perhaps. You never know your luck. Tim, I completely understand and appreciate your sentiment. Truly, I do. However, if you feel that B&S ARE in this for the money, and it upsets you, then you have the option of not listening to them. Plain and simple. As Pinnochio once said, the world doesn't owe you a living, and thus the Belle's don't owe you any good music. Okay, that said. I do think that you misinterpret what I was saying. My post was in regards to the chat going on about the merchandise thing. Which really isn't the end of the world. I really don't think that B&S are in anything for the money. Truly. In fact, I would dare to say that I KNOW they are not. Look at how they have run their career so far. They have NEVER appeared on the cover of anything, no doubt they have been offered many. They DON'T do interviews that would undoubtably up their sales and the like. They do what they want out of resect for their music and I believe that they are true to it. I am disheartened that you, or anyone else, wouldn't see them that way. But, let's face it. They are a great band and they make great albums. End of story. We shouldn't dare to question the business decisions they make, how is that any of our business? I am just wondering. I truly enjoy our banter however, logical discussion is not something that is a staple of my day as an on-line computer technician! So, I look forward to hearing from you. However, if you feel this is best continued off the list, feel free to write me at my address: ehope(a)nwmls.com Snoggs, elle +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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