June 1999 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: evil hearted record stores
by PaperSun23＠aol.com 11 Jun '99

11 Jun '99

<< Can anyone who has any anecdotes or knowledge of this area let me know what I'm for if I get the job? I'd appreciate any and all help because its between this and bagging for old women in the local supermarket and I need to reach a decision soon before I'm screwed out of both of them. >> I work in a pricey chain-store music shop and its only advantage is mocking the sheep who blindly pay outrageous prices for their silly Korn records and Backstreet Boys. Be prepared for droves of mindless fools asking you if you know that song that's always on the radio who's name and artist escapes them but you should know it because you work in a record store and how dare you work in a record store without listening to the radio ... and then they'll try to sing. It just gets worse from there. It is, however, better than other menial jobs offering similar wages. Just think of the many different ways you can make fun of the customers and the corporation! good luck, moon patroller carrie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: acoustics, bands, molko, stuff
by Ben Parker 11 Jun '99

11 Jun '99

So, um, I went to ac acoustics on tuesday night, and I wasn't overly impressed to be honest - sorry to anyone that told me to go and see them and stuff - seem to remember them sounding a bit more like the jesus and mary chain and a little less stodgy. oh well. The singer from placebo was there, though, i think, and i can't honestly imagine anyone genuinely thinking that that was a girl. Snow patrol were alright; used samples and stuff, which was quite good. Best bit of the night, though, was on the Victoria line on the way home, when we sat across from some busker bloke who played this sort of makeshift blues, complete with real screaming and hollering. Told me he spends his days walking the earth, trying to keep away from bad behavior. Creepily. Oh, someone asked people to say if they are in bands or whatever - well, um, yeah, I'm in this band called tempertwig, the mumbler and guitarist, if anyones vauguely interested - we're only onto our second gig, in islington a week on monday. Even have a website beginning, although at the moment it is quite sparse - good ape picture though: www.tempertwig.freeserve.co.uk Oh well - BeN _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Response for Megan in NY and anyone else who's interested in the film discussion
by McQuain, Chris 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

Thanks to Megan for her heartfelt response to my [Safe] and Velvet Goldmine plaintiveness. The films really are life-changing, and hopefully it won't be another 4 years before we get a film from Todd Haynes again. >> i agree that those two movies are good, but you forgot to mention why. they were beautiful. << Their beauty is certainly an essential component to why they were good, but I would say the main reason I admire them is for their incisiveness and refusal to go along with the idea that a film must be a visual 19th-century novel- beginning, middle, end, plot, character development. Todd Haynes is a rare writer/director who makes films of ideas and is artistically successful at it. By using and address issues of class and environment [Safe], artistic integrity (Velvet Goldmine), and above all, identity (both Safe and V.G., as well as his first feature Poison). It is, of course, essential when one is subverting the conventional notions of 'plot' and 'character' to fill the screen with beautiful images to get your ideas across, which Haynes does remarkably well. I also dearly appreciate Todd Solondz, but Haynes just has a slight edge over him, to my mind. It's like asking if you want chocolate cake, or MORE chocolate cake. They're both very good, though. Hal Hartley is, to me, a mixed bag but his films are still intelligent and sometimes even funny, just too often tainted by smugness. >>. i saw it as being about david bowie and iggy pop << This is tempting, but the characters each embody so many characteristics of all the glam rock stars that it's difficult to pin it down to any particular real-life person. They are meant less to embody particular people than a set of glam ideals, both aesthetically and philosophically; really, the film isn't about bowie or pop or even necessarily glam rock, those were just the best ways to get a discourse going on the screen about the exhileration of self-invention and the accompanying identity crises. Haynes ALWAYS gives you all sides, and lets you decide for yourself. This is without losing any of his humaneness or empathy for the people in his films- if it comes off a little clinical, it's because we as an audience are too used to being manipulated by meaningless tear-jerking by cardboard characters and wooden dialogue and one-sidedness, instead of a genuine emotional response provoked by seeing a more objective view of a character's experience. >>> i don't like classifying movie makers together based on how they live. <<< This is fair, but Hartley, Solondz, and Haynes (as well as Scorcese, the over-maligned Wooday Allen and Cindy Sherman) represent a particularly 'New York' kind of film-making/visual art. It's anti-Hollywood, independent, usually their work is made with depth and flair. I don't think it's unfair to any of them to place them together the way I do in my head, I wasn't implying that they all have the same level of talent or are even the same, they just all have an independent spirit that is very New York filmworld (as opposed to the greedy and manipulative L.A. film scene). I like the idea of an artistic community and sometimes this can be geographical (like the Scottish scene featuring our beloved Belle & Sebastian, Arab Strap, The Pastels, etc.) Megan herself is in New York and seems to me to have a New York frame of mind about film- I don't think this is a dismissive thing to say or that it says anything about her personally, just that she (judging from her excellent taste) has good ideas and is sure to be a fine film-maker, belonging in the company of other good film-makers, and New York is definitely the place in America to find that. Good luck, Megan! Do you go to any of those classes Scorsese teaches at NYU? Oh, and Ewan full frontal we've seen SO many times before (not that it's entirely unpleasant or anything!)- Christian B. is more my type and I don't even have to see him naked to confirm it, he's got such a cute face and a lovely smile. Hugs all around- -Chris (favorite Arab Strap song: "The Clearing") :) :) :) :) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Hello ... I'm new
by LAWRENCE CHARLES MIKKELSEN 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

out of the nursery and into the fire .... actually, it's been such a long time, at least a month I guess. Anyway, I should introduce myself. I live in New Zealand, and B&S fans are few and far between over here. I's studying Multimedia at a tech here in Auckland because I couldn't get a job with my Arts degree in English lit. and Philosophy. When I first joined the list there was all this arguing about whether the whole 'twee' thing was a put on to make people think more highly of you, and the reaction to it, with some people going on about how hard they were, and weren't twee at all etc. etc. (I know this is old stuff, but you see I didn't have voice back then and I was desperate to add my two cents.) I guess for me the whole appeal of B&S is the fine line they walk between those two extremes. 'We all know you're soft 'cause we've all seen you dancing, we all know you're hard 'cause we've all seen you drinking from noon until noon again' and 'She was into S&M and Bible studies' are two fine examples of this.You don't need to polarise yourself to be a fan, or react to that polarisation either. Well, there you go ... my two cents. Also, anyone else from New Zealand on the list ... please mail me privately. I'm trying to organise a picnic but I only know one other fan here ...... +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: glitter goldmine
by mkl206＠is8.nyu.edu 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

so i was reading the thing about safe and velvet goldmine and all this. and i agree that those two movies are good, but you forgot to mention why. they were beautiful. i had heard a lot of things before seeing velvet goldmine, most were negative. but when i saw the movie i was so surprised. it was wonderful, the shots were beautiful, they lingered and flowed into one another. it was like watching a dream, or remembering a feeling that you thought was gone. i saw it as being about david bowie and iggy pop, though i know nothing of glam rock really, so i can't guess what was real and what wasn't. but it wasn't really important. it's like, rock and roll creates superstars. jonathan rhys-meyers was beautiful, he glowed. he was a star, a totally unattainable person, some combination of sensuality and cold perfection. it's the idea of having this person who is totally unattainable and completly desirable. no one can possess him. and as the movie changed, it said a lot, well, to me anyway. about how meaningless appearances can be, and how sad it is when an idol falls. and of course, there was full frontal ewan. ;) but really, i was in love with this picture. when i make films, i want to create that sense of space. it's hard to explain what i mean by that. i guess it's just something that i can sense in some movies, this space between the characters, between the audience and the actors, and the space that surrounds each moment that allows it to last just the right amount of time, so that it doesn't fade away too quickly. i don't like classifying movie makers together based on how they live. all the ones mentionned here are good. some people will see what i saw, and others will be determined that i was smoking crack. i loved todd solondz's films. too bad i can't spell his name though. welcome to the dollhouse is so how i remember junior high to be. luckily i wasn't dawn werner (thank god) but i had some similar experiences. so that's completely removed from anything having to do with belle and sebastian. i was looking for b&s mp3's of unreleased stuff but couldn't find any. poo. xoxox megan mkl206(a)is8.nyu.edu who are magnetic fields? http://www.dissemination.com/megan/magneticfields/ updated 4/26/99 +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: DC Hoedown and Lilac Time
by Sam Devere 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

DC Hoedown and Lilac Time Regarding the DC picnic, I feel like quite the idiot rollin' up to a bunch of people I don't know, so here's superstar pic. http://pw1.netcom.com/~samiam2/lol.jpg Now, you know what this angry loner looks like. Ahh, Lilac Time, I do have quite a weakness for them. They have a new album, it was well received. I'll post some details when I get a chance. Indeed, Stephen Duffy was with Duran very early on, but he quit and proceeded seek fame and Ecstacy which did him in. He then formed the Lilac Time, which B&S's 'Sinister' was favorably compared to. He also formed a mini-group (Me Me Me which featured members of Blur and Elastica) and released a single a couple of years ago. I'll bring some rare goodies to the picnic if anyone is interested. Cheers...Sam _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: 'Can't repeat the past?' he cried incredulously,'Why of course you can!'
by robhalcrow＠lineone.net 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

Hello one and all, I'm not going to Bowlie 2 cos I can't afford it, and I don't know if it's a good idea. The first one was special and I doubt, cynic that I am, this one will be as good. I'd like to see the Strap, and The Delgados again, and Stereolab with the lovely Laetitia and her ice cool Euro grooves etc. Actually I'd quite like to go. I'm just not going to. I saw a Bowlie and (I think) Sinister bloke at Rosita at The Monarch last week. Who was he? I was there with some nice B&S types meself. Emmy Kate still has 'Kenickie' stencilled on her silver gear box. That made me sad. Celebrity encounters. I met the lovely lovely Lauren Laverne at Bowlie. She was with Mogwai and Arab Strap. I told her she was really really good and I really liked her cos she's really really good. You know the sort of eloquent stuff I mean. TJ Roberts- I like your story in the Sinister library. I couldn't work it out though. At the end I thought 'Good, he's gonna change'.......then I wondered 'Aaah, but is he?' Cos tomorrow never comes, does it? Very clever. Ambiguity. Like it , I like it. Re the Airplane-- when I slagged them recently I just meant that I used to think they were amazing but now I don't. Jack Casady was a great bass player though. (I should know, for I am one too. Ha ha). ' If you Feel' is a winner but 'Greasy Heart' is better, imo, a nice short dramatic song with Jack scaling the heights, Jorma doing his psyche blues wah thang and Gracie being sinister and cutting in a fried acid vocal stylee. Mike with his recent post regarding Hal Hartley, Hartley Hare and a monorail. Good one. I laughed out loud. Finally, where are these ubiquitous photos of Ailsa then? I haven't seen any. Has she had them removed or something? I'm off to give a trumpet lesson. Bye. Rob 'Why live in the world when you can live in your head?' Jarvis Cocker. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: rick witter and me - world exclusive
by Sam Norman 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

I have been holding this close to my chest for too long now and i feel that i should tell all now and cash in on shed7's world fame. So I phoned the Sun and they weren't interested. But apparently if the list mummy had had the experience they would have been, (some kind of Honey trap or something I think they called it?) The Mirror, Star again they weren't interested not in the public interest was the phrase they used. So here is my world exclusive to the 1050 - ish of you out there. In 1995 I slept with Rick Witter; well on the same bench as him in York station anyway. It was after some free festival and i used it as an excuse to visit some friends of mine who lived up there. I ended up missing the last train back to London, and not remembering where it was that my friends lived, slept on the bench next to Mr Witter himself. I've got no idea why he was there though. Anyway just time to say, see you tomorrow night Upstairs at The Garage for Tigermilking. 8pm - 3am band on at 8.45. flyers at http://listen.to/tigermilking +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: We're here to chew bubblegum and kick ass.....[Rah!!]
by Adam Chapman 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

It can only get worse... I should like to repeat my request for one or more of you kind people to assist me, in my wish to go to "bowlie 2". In short, i require space in a chalet and will pay for it, as having missed the first one *sob*, i quite like the look of the second. Should anyone be interested, e mail to; dunca_chap(a)hotmail.com Is the Shed7 bashing a private party, or can anyone join? I seem to remember making a similar point a little while ago [thanks for your opinion erica/graham, i am but a little less confused], and came to the conclusion that many people will miss the point of b+s completely, most of those i've played them to [siblings included] regard them as 'shite', or worse 'dull', one took particular exception and accused me of aggressive and advanced homosexuality [actually he called me a 'poof', but it pays to be polite]. As for turning b+s into the next "Backstreet boys", i suspect that the dance routines would have to be radically altered....imagine, Stuart m turning neat somersaults, and Isobel doing curious things with her cello, and as for Richard, well, i feel quite faint....one for the teen mags methinks. Getting back to the subject, i fail to see the point of Celine Dion [or the anti christ as i know her...], besides the multi-million selling brainwashed ballad kind o'thing, i mean is there any artistry at work or merely an advertising budget the size of the Rawandan economy. sorry, i'm drifting into cynicism, and the budding web designers annoy, bye for now, Adam "Because I know that you know, that we know they don't know whats been going on.... " Gruff Rhys, SFA, 'Demons' ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: sarah cracknell's big crossed eyes
by Taranicole＠aol.com 10 Jun '99

10 Jun '99

Since no one else has beaten me to it, allow me to try and describe the scene at last night's 3rd bi-annual Sin-filled Sinister List San Francisco Roundup~ To be honest, it's all a bit hazy after my third hit off the crack pipe (who says fans are twee, etc etc), but I do recall everyone being very pleasant, interesting and having immensely better taste in music than I. (I STILL cannot understand why one attendee seemed embarrassed to admit to Duran Duran as her first concert?? Go back and listen to "7 and the Ragged Tiger" and you'll find a modern day classic, I guarantee you.) What I *do* clearly remember is this weisenheimer who was sort of lingering near our group and watching, and me innocently chirping, "Are you Sinister?" It didn't take long for this Sherlock to suss us out, and he was all, "pppssshh, wait, lemme guess, are you guys one of them internet groups or somethin? you don't know each other and you're all meeting for the first time right??" and then when asssured he HAD in fact guessed correctly he smugly wandered off... or perhaps I'm just being a bit sensitive here (the crack, remember), but at least that's how it SEEMED to me. Tell me now, is there really this stigma attached to the whole Internet-meeting thing? Cos I kind of thought we as a human species or whatever had gotten past that. I know some people who have even met their fiances over the internet... well i don't actually "know" them, but they're people I've talked to online. (heh, geddit?) Anyway, it sort of rubbed me the wrong way, this fella's attitude... It's not as if you're gonna meet a B&S fan just walking down the street. And you can't just tell just by looking who is a fan and on this here list. Unless of course they have on a t-shirt saying "I'm a fan of belle and sebastian, and I'm on the sinister list too". (Which Jeepster is working on, i hear.) I feel like I'm preaching to the converted here, though... Anyway there was some discussion of a pre-Looper show meet next month, and I'm sure more details will be provided as soon as it's arranged. Ian, darling, tell me how is dear Sarah Crackers holding up in the basement? I have to apologize, because I thought you were making up the whole story. But having just seen Saint Etienne 3 times in the past week, and the show being EXACTLY the f***ing same each time - down to the between song banter - it's clear they've got a robot up there doing all the work. Maybe you should deprive her of food until she writes a new song (or ten) to sing on the next tour, ok? Sassy Genevieve wrote some lovely things... if only I'd known someone with such a good attitude when i was 16, perhaps less time in high school would've been spent sitting and complaining with similarly bitter malcontents, letting Morrissey making it seem ok to feel victimized. Gen, you're brilliant. And one final meaningless comment: This Roolz band you're all so fond of... whenever the name is mentioned one thing comes to my mind, and that one thing is Jesse Camp and the 8th Street Kidz. hmmm.... There's a Real World Marathon to be watched, so i'm off now. livin livin livin la vida loca... tara +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the reborn Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to "majordomo(a)majordomo.net". WWW: http://www.majordomo.net/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "jelly-filled danishes" +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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