May 2000 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: My B&S report!
by eculb＠csv.warwick.ac.uk 05 May '00

05 May '00

hello, well i'd just thought i'd let people know about the question and answer thingy on wednesday if they are at all interested. The 10 Room was the setting for this shindig, in Picadilly, London (very nice place it is too). I gather that the event was primarily for the press, and that was why it was in London as opposed to Glasgow; also thats why only 20 tickets were given to the members of the public like myself. I dont know if holding a press conference constitutes selling out though- i was happy just to be there. after a while, all seven members came along and sat down in front of microphones and cameras, and they all looked rather well. Topics of discussion ranged from Steps ('freaks, but nice freaks'-Stu M), to the importance of being Belle & Sebastian (l-o-n-g discussion), to why Stuart is so obssessed with buses (he went on to extoll the virtues of the new Glasgow public transport system), to the title of the new album (Stuart read it years ago on the door of the lavatory he was sitting on), to Stuarts performance in the Bowlie football ('was i playing for Sinister? oh thats even better'), to why the 12" of Legal Man has the extended track (Chris maintained that thats what 12" records or for, and i can kind of see both points of view on this debate), and lots of other stuff besides i cant remember right now. Afterwards they played the video for Legal Man, a kind of 1960s pastiche of those smoky club affairs with lots of gentlemen laughing and drinking and frollicking whilst the band play on a stage. After that, i think Chris went and DJ'd for a while, and more drinks and the band went and chatted to various people. So a good time was had by all! Cheers to Paul for his company, to radio 1 for supplying the tickets, to Jeepster, to the band, and finally to all those lovely people who have read ALL this! Whew! James +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: its just me, myself and pie.
by Paula Cullen 05 May '00

05 May '00

i dont know if anyone has already put this link up or *quite* what the point is but here ye go anyway: http://www.mindspring.com/~jasminejj/bellespoof/index.htm PCBX. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Please ignore or delete my previous post
by Chris Paluch 05 May '00

05 May '00

Please ignore my previous post because A. It was never meant to be sent B. It is inaccurate garbage(misqoutes and words not included) C. I wrote it when I had little or no sleep. Just delete it already. Chris ===== The sole member of the Lost Letter Society A society dedicated to turtle lovers everywhere. Http://www.mp3.com/LostLetterSociety __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: edited track on CD - WHY?
by Lawrence Mikkelsen 05 May '00

05 May '00

I am spending FAR too much time reading and posting to sinister. One point I was wondering in anyone could clarify is WHY the edit of "Judy is a Dick Slap" is on the CD? (David Kitchen/Mick Cooke? someobody on the list?) I was wondering if all three songs on the CD were quite long, and that the total time made it over 20 minutes, hence editing the track to make it eligible for chart entry. In which case I am quite happy for the label to trim the track by a few minutes. but if it's just a ploy to make anal-completists like me buy it twice, I'll be a little miffed. (But, sad bstard that I am, I will STILL buy it in both formats!) Maybe if someone from the label clarified this people would moan a little less. how about it Jeepster??? Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: return to odd
by ian 05 May '00

05 May '00

hello again my furry friends, its been a while... and i wanted to return with some stunningly witty mail about stuart david leaving the planet, and living permanently on mars... i had it all planned...a comment about not being able to find a looper record in an "indie" record shop, a clever joke about stuey d leaving the planet, looking for a nicer place, and then perhaps a mail as stuey (using that clever old trick of changing my name in the "options" box of outlook express.....i know it fools you all time after time) or, failing that, i was planning perhaps a short resume of life after gay eastenders for the dirty den of sinister, how my rampant nights with grant had ultimately ended in disappointment. raucous stories of pam st clements, barbara windsor and a jeff stryker dildo. amusing and pithy vignettes about the arthur fowler drag experience... i know how you all would have chuckled to yourselves as you fought with the desire to press that delete button. sadly, i have just been out into the world, and now i don't feel like doing either of these. perhaps you will see why. but first, a hypothesis: b&s are twee. this is, of course, as undeniable as the fact that the smiths were depressing and that britney spears is actually a hairy chested builder called dave. and here on the sinister list we ape our heroes ,of course, as mindless saddos do. we talk about hello kitty and nice little bunny rabbits and generally exchange whimsy with one another. and this is what we know, and this is what we like. hell, even The Great Hefner (oops, sorry, almost choked on my miffy easter egg there) have passed comment upon our world....it isn't the "real" world... it does not cohere with the grim, harsh struggle that is the everyday experience of life for many people. the b&s/sinister existence is one where girls take other girls by the hand, and stroll away from lonely parks into the sunset, while the boy sits and contemplates life. it doesn't cover the fact that outside the park there are queerbashers waiting for the girls, and that as the boy ambles home with his hands in his pockets, and his "looper" t-shirt proudly displayed to the whole wide world, he comes directly into contact with his friendly neighbourhood muggers. b&s fans would rather ignore this fact. this accusation has been printed in select magazine, after all, so it must be true. so it must be refreshing to leave this world every once in a while, yes? to leave the house, throw my cardie down onto the pavement and stride purposefully into realtime.. find out what i have been missing all these veggie-nibbling years... first stop, outside the garage round the corner from me, where on sunday night a man was covered in paraffin and set on fire - well, he deserved it, he'd had the nerve not only to be offensively black in a public area of our multicultural society, he'd also spoken back to the white man who, that night, was hunting in packs, and carrying torches.. past this spot...it isn't very pleasant. think nice thoughts about mice living in windmills in old amsterdam.. think about marshmallows and teddy bears and walk up to the university. now this is more like it. birmingham university. on a special day....the air buzzes with excitement...tomorrow, the queen is coming to visit. the professional chewing-gum removers have been at work for two days on the library steps, a huge bed of identical-height red tulips have mysteriously appeared in the middle of the square, the black fencing around the grass has been taken down, so she can go for a little wander, and rest the royal arse if she wishes. even the offensive labourers on the building site have been given a couple of days off so her majesty is not disturbed on her rounds. what a beautiful place the real world is. i smile at the security men who eye me suspiciously as i pass and i avoid the big issue seller on the gate because i've already bought one and wouldn't want to waste my money. my heart is lifted, i sing a little ditty to myself as i amble past the gun factory and the wasteland where the dirty man is sitting, sniffing glue and i skip all the way through selly oak, blowing kisses to people as i pass.... never imagining that some of them could be having this conversation: "did you hear about that bloke that got set on fire on bristol road"... ........"yeah"............... "mind you, he probably deserved it" "what?" "yeah, you've seen the way some of them walk round, like they own the place"... no, i pay no attention to such remarks, and drift back to my house on a cloud of pink fluffiness, land in my inflatable chair and plump up a couple of flowery cushions as i turn on the television, hoping for re-runs of "bump", or at least "bagpuss". sadly, these are not in evidence. it seems everyone is talking about some election that went on today. i vaguely remember that i had been planning to vote, but i was too busy. i was learning to play the maracas and shake my arse at the same time, like sarah cracknell, and this seemed like a more worthwhile use of my life. still,everybody on television is talking about this election, like it was something important. they are also talking about asylum-seekers, and how bad they are. briefly, i have time to wonder if these are the people we bombed out of their homes, or whether i've got confused and these are just the people who were running away from genocide... if so, what have they got to worry about, really? i mean, the new yo la tengo album is great and sarah cox is on the breakfast show...doesn't this bring joy to these people? no, it seems not. the fact that their country was destroyed and william hague wants to put them in concentration...oops, sorry, i meant "internment"... camps seems to preoccupy them for some reason. turn the telly off, grope for my looper album... right now, i need to hear "i'm quite happy...i'm quite happy....i'm quite happy, burning flies". not only does it cheer me up, but it seems to say something about the human condition. i look at my scooby doo poster.... my own little world isn't such a bad place. what have i tried to change today? very little, only my own mind, and that has been hard enough. still, i haven't beaten anybody up, i haven't upset anyone and i haven't dropped chewing gum on the library steps. this is a good time to be like that boy in the park, at the end of TIJAMRS, and sit and reflect upon life... the real world, as hefner know it... do i want to change it? yes do i know how to change it? no do i really have the energy to try? probably not it occurs to me that everyone who has tried to change the world for the better has ultimately caused as much harm as good. karl marx had a dream of equality. tell that to the people who suffered ceaucescu's reign. oppenheimer wanted to create the weapon to end all wars... unfortunately for the people of hiroshima. hell, even jesus fucked up. there was a do-gooder if ever there was one, but without him there would have been no spanish inquisition.. i suppose even margaret thatcher must have thought what she was doing was right. before she went mad, at least. yeah...the real world, where people who play with matches get burnt, and it seems that day by day the flames get more intense. no thank you, that isn't for me. for now, i'll reflect on the fact that sarah cracknell thinks crew cuts and trainers are out again. i'll listen with joy, as i always do, to the opening bars of "sleep the clock around" with the whirly swirly music that makes my insides smile, and i'll try and ignore the fact that the song also contains the lyric: "well could this be the day/that somebody will come/ and say "look at yourself, you're not much use to anyone".... that, after all, might be relevant to "real life" and not very twee. that might connect with the world where it is thought that one person deserves to be burnt alive and another deserves to walk through shining corridors and see blooming tulips everywhere she goes. i don't like that world. give me the love beads. hand me back my cardie. i'll go and play with words and pictures, i'll admit i'm feeling strange. rome is burning, my friend, and birmingham too. pass me a fiddle, and shake a maraca ian --------------------------------------------- Tomorrow will bring happiness Or at least, another day Phil Ochs +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Jeepster chat owns my soul
by b Tilston 04 May '00

04 May '00

Can I just mention to everyone that it was Star Wars day yesterday, so "May the fourth be with you". I am SO sorry... I reference to IdleBerry's comments about Jeepster chat closing down. Is this true? Where will I go babble on about nothing in a friendly way when I come in from the pub? How will I live? I have been on there many times in the last month, and, as far as I can see, no one is abusing it. The worst thing that you could probably term abuse is the fact that some people go on there specifically to talk to their friends. That's it. Everyone else is lovely and friendly and they always take their shoes off before going in. Idleberry. We should start a petition. We need Jeepster Chat for our personal and spiritual growth. Save it now... Byesy bye now, Love Beth xxx ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: When Band psychology is misunderstood
by Chris Paluch 04 May '00

04 May '00

Hi, B&S are not selling out, but there is a bit of songwriting and band psych 101 involved here. El Zober, did not get why i can understand why B&S seem to be a little weird, and I can say it is perfectly natural, and i can understand why thier new stuff may not be as good, or completely differant from thier old stuff. IT IS NOT SELLING OUT. I have alot of freinds who are in bands, some bands that hit it big, some bands that are still struggling, and some bands that well can be huge, but just never get over thier own personality. But all good bands have the band psychology effect, a sort of constant questioning and struggle to write good songs. It happens to anybody who is a muscian, maybe B&S is in a downcycle, and hopefully they get some grand self realization where they produce another really damn good album. Well if they are around that long, but niether jeepster or matador is going to drop them, so the only way they are going to break up is well personal disputes....so they will probably go through a cycle where they will produce a bunch of good stuff. It happens to every band... So hang in thier folks, plus even the not so good B&S stuff is probably really good. Plus this selling out question is silly since B&S had thier chance and turned it down. Chris ===== The sole member of the Lost Letter Society A society dedicated to turtle lovers everywhere. Http://www.mp3.com/LostLetterSociety __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Small Blue Thing
by Peter Miller 04 May '00

04 May '00

I think Suzanne Vega said it best with "I guess it's called my destiny, that I am changing, changing". It's been a long time since the shock/thrill/freakout of the first B&S tunes, they've changed a bit, and we've changed a bit. I haven't heard the new album, that would be impossible because it isn't out yet, but if I had I wouldn't be at all surprised to find it startlingly uncommercial and uncompromising, as if the intervening years have been spent building something up and then painstakingly taking it to pieces again. Personally, I can't wait to hear it. I'm particularly keen to hear what Isobel's come up with this time. Good old Stuart! I do so love him when he's angry. I didn't know he goes round spraying the walls. Our neighbour's cat does that. I like Primal Scream's new stuff, Stuart. I didn't at first, but then I realised it sounded exactly like "Holidays in the Sun" by The Sex Pistols, and isn't that what they started out trying to do? Right back in the beginning? There's a photo of The 'Scream in this week's Q Magazine. They look remarkably like former list favourites The 'Waddy. And their politics sounds a lot like drug-addled nonsense. Will they be campaigning for that farmer as well? I bet Malcolm "The Duke" Allured will, because one of his pubs is quite isolated. Showaddywaddy were one of the first multi-racial groups in Britain. They rarely get the credit for that. Some of my friends used to take the piss out of me for liking Primal Scream. I sold all my old vinyl the other week. It was a very painful experience, and it didn't have anything to do with not being able to listen to the music anymore. Jeepster's reasons for closing the chat room sound hauntingly familiar to some of us. Apparently, Sinister is a clique too. Jeepster bashing is one of the things that make the list worthwhile, it usually goes like this; we bash Jeepster, they take us off their Snow Patrol news list, we bash Jeepster, they start their own list, we bash Jeepster, they try to get people on the list in trouble, we talk about knickers to Jeepster, they close down the chat room. I think it's all done in a spirit of fun. Surely? I hope I dream about an angry Stuart Murdoch tonight. Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Don't Fold Your Papers, Kids, It Looks Like A Top-Up System
by P F 04 May '00

04 May '00

It's May 4th, 2000. It's 7:20. It's just about time to gather my torts, pack up my kipple, load up on forged ballot papers and catch the tube to Camden. You see, no-one's mentioned that it's the 2nd anniversary of the first sinister picnic. Being a twee character - I mean, excessively sentimental, kind of like a spare character from 'Annie', but more 'Broken Blossoms' if you catch my drift - I was moved to tears by this. - Those burly football boys of 98 have forgotten our hurtling mid-pitch encounters!, I blinked through tear-stained eyes. I have decided to take the lore into my own paws. I'm organizing an event called 'It's Two Years Since The First Sinister Picnic' on Primrose Hill. It starts in 35 minutes, at 8pm. I'm going to eat the whole baguette, and probably a kettle of bag chips, myself. Then I'm going to drag weary limbs slowly to the Laid (On) Buzzard pub and buy round after generous round for myself. I'm enhancing the plan by "selling out". I have sold the rights for ITYSTFSP to BBC1, who will be broadcasting their London Mayoral results from it. The programme will be called 'London Subsides'. Ken Livingstone is coming at nine to swap purple things with me. I have a few, and so does he. In response to the character assassination practised against him by the so-called media and that over the last few days, not to mention the last 20 years, we are planning the nearest equivalent we can find to this practice, namely digit murder. At ten, the Ken and I will be singing traditional East European karaoke on the pavement outside. All the CDs used at the event are available from Tower Records. Tomorrow we'll be emphasizing our "sell-out" further by holding a press conference on Radio 5 Live. We'll be talking about congestion charges, Chelsea tube extensions, making the police more accountable, and our plans to issue two editions of each annual mayoral report, so that Ken fans in London have to buy both. The 'It's [x] Years Since The First Sinister Picnic' event will become a yearly, then a twice-yearly, then (thru summer) a monthly event. Charges will be made; batons too. Cordons will be erected (they'll be bleu). See you there, pinefox(a)ken4l.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: All Cursey And All
by Glen 04 May '00

04 May '00

Enough of this "selling out" thing. It won't happen. At the press conference thingy, Stu said about the Stone Roses, "They got fame and started doing interviews and they started to get a bit self-conscious and to me that's rubbish. What they had at the start was magic and powerful." That's not neccessarily saying they're not going to go top 20, but they seem to be set on keeping their feet firmly on the ground. NME report here: http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000504121150.html It was also very interesting to hear about Stuart's "fucking spraying the walls", about how we "don't fucking know about that", and how he's "not going to come down here and fucking talk about it". Let's take it he feels very strongly about this. Glen +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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