May 2000 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: Jeepster chat stabs you in the back.
by idle berry 04 May '00

04 May '00

dear all, this is a message I thought anyone might want to read. In repsonse, yes, I am well pissed off. While jeepster chat is closing for financial reasons, fair enough. but I thought some of the other comments Mr David Kitchen had to make were a little bitchy and quite frankly, backstabbing. The fact that he hasn't even bothered to tell anyone (and he has our e mail addresses at his disposal) to their face, in my opinion, adds to the fact that what he is saying is cowardly and pathetic. As a regular user of jeepster chat, I have experienced a minimal amount of abuse. Those who have abused it have always been dealt with accordingly. Thats what happens. But I think it was entirely unfair of David Kitchen to say we are unfriendly. I myself started going into jeepster chat around the same time I joined sinister. And that was at the start of the year, if anyone isn't sure. I found everyone to be friendly. Thats why I kept going there. And the majority of newomers I have seen come in have also either commented on the friendliness, and usually come back in. So what happens when you start going to a site on a regular basis? you become a regular. You chat to people, about everything and anything, you debate things, and discussions range from belle and sebastian songs, Stuart David leaving B+S, to what we have to do that day. In my case, usually far too much work that I keep postponding! And it doesn't usually seem to matter who you are chatting to. A newcomer, who is interested in talking, or another regular, who wants to know how you are getting on with life in general. So some people have insulted his boss. Well, to be honest, I'm not the type to lay down the red carpet and scatter rose petals just for someone who is deemed important. Not into arse licking myself. My tongue is nice and pink, and intend to keep it that way rather than turn it a vile shade of brown. Like I said, there are a few people who abuse chat, and are dealt with accordingly. And jeepster have our e mail addresses if they want to point fingers. I think to call jeepster chat cliquey is a bit out of order. Regulars come and go. Its the same with all chat sites, mailing sites, message boards, etc etc etc. So what made David Kitchen take a leave of his senses and start insulting those people (I feel I'm probably included in this) that regularly visit this site? People who are on the whole, a friendly bunch. I've made friends there, its not impossible. Who knows? any one got a conspiracy theory about Aliens arriving at his little office and nicking off with the real bloke? Ultimately, what it has created, is a feeling of bitterness that he has been so underhand to bitch like this. Close it for financial reasons, but don't blame the chatters for it. This is all my own opinion, and I realise not everyone will either agree with me on it, nor appreciate it. But I had to let it out. david kitchen, sod you. cheers, Idleberry > >the site recives 400,000 page impressions PER WEEK >the chat engine does the same. > >the site costs �500 per month to keep and maintain, but barely covers it's costs >through the jeepster web store (no profits are actually made since we subsidise >the site). > >the chat engine costs �600 per month and has no money flowing in to support it and >also takes a lot of admin and is continually abused by it's users (it doesn't help >when my boss goes in, and even when he tries to talk about the music, he just gets >people swearing at him or talking about knickers!). > >basically put, the site is a very large high maintenance one, for a service to be >kept, it has to prove that it is worth it. the site in general has done this, but >the chat has done the opposite, it is not proving that it is financially worth it, >it is not encouraging people to listen to the other bands, it is not a welcoming >place for fans any more (it was for a while), a clique has also evolved which >prevents it now being the welcoming place it was. > >basically the chat will be removed, and most likely when i'm self-employed i may >be able to set up my own one in replace without the need for accountability, but >jeepster will not host it since it costs too much and is inefficient. the jeepster >site will instead try a multi-threaded bulletin board (you can keep these on topic >and if it's part of the site it will encourage use of the web store and may >actually cover it's costs!), but the jeepster chat is doomed. > >as for buro252, i am him > >cheers > >david > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------+ > David Kitchen mailto:david@jeepster.co.uk > Jeepster Recordings Ltd http://www.jeepster.co.uk > PO Box 14153, London SW11 4XU, UK ICQ:28483699 > Tel: +44 (0)20 7924 2324 > Fax: +44 (0)20 7924 6161 ===== http://www.geocities.com/idleberry __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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RE: Sinister: sell outs? PAH!
by Hester, Mark (ELS) 04 May '00

04 May '00

>'Real' bands like The Smiths, Joy Division and New Order release these type of singles. it's gr8 (another variant) to hear these words of wisdom from Lawrence. Of course any band worth its salt releases singles which do not appear on albums, although it is interesting to note that all the examples he quotes had compilation albums released at a later date, on which the aforementioned singles appeared. Of course, a 'best of' compilation is itself seen as an example of 'selling out' in some quarters, especially when it's called 'Greatest Hits'. >May their stars shine bright on TOTP! Good point, would B&S do TOTP? Or would they be like the Clash and refuse to? Their shyness and the relative rareness of their live appearances suggest that they wouldn't. Mark. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Selling out- who really gives a .......
by Paul Arathoon 04 May '00

04 May '00

Hi Kids I think that this entire thread should end. Now. Every band ever has had this same tired old argument over them: the moment they sell enough records to cover the recording and promotional costs, the fans who, inevitably, have been there since "the beginning"are in uproar. I remember a Pavement fan being in a state of anguish because he heard Terror Twilight was being recorded in a 16-track studio rather than in a shitty 4 track one becuase he saw it as bowing down to "The Man" whoever the fuck he is. If Belle And sebastian really decided that they were not going to sell out in the way seemingly demanded by soem listees this is what would have happened. Tigermilk would have not been re-released. Tours would have not been promoted in any way, there would be no CD or minidisc releases of anything and anything released on vinyl would have been a very limited release. And as for you people in sunnier climes (ie not In Britain) the chances of you getting hold of anything without paying extortionate import prices would have been impossible. And if all that had happened, and thank God it didn't, would we all be happy? No. Belle And Sebastian are part of a huge multinational music business. They know it, and we know it. I don't see a problem with it. If you are in a band you get money from selling records. If you don't sell you don't get much money. You become poor- see how poor(financially) Blur were before they actually started to sell anything and there's only four of them. I want Legal Man to go top ten because hearing B&S on radio 1 daytime is a triumph and because they deserve it.Props to whoever said they didn't realise the route to top 40 success was electric sitars.... Paul. Selling out since 1978. Finished my Disseration since yesterday. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: sell outs? PAH!
by Lawrence Mikkelsen 04 May '00

04 May '00

One point no one seems to have raised re: B&S's supposed "selling out" is the fact that 'Legal Man' is a non-album single. Non-album singles are the epitome of "indie-cred", and are not usually released by such luminaries as Steps, 5ive etc. 'Real' bands like The Smiths, Joy Division and New Order release these type of singles. The reason the format is not very popular with mainstream acts is because these singles don't help sell albums because .... they're not on them. Sure, B&S could have given us an album track, split over two CDs, with remixes or something on the second disc, but in the interest of their fanbase (no doubt - can't see any other reason) they didn't. In the same way that the 'Modern Rock Song' EP was released as a 4 track, 20 minute & one second EP a few months after anything with four tracks or over 20 minutes became ineligible for chart entry. There will always be naysayers who moan about how they "like their new old stuff more than their new stuff" and rabbit on about selling out, but personally I welcome new fans to the B&S fold - it's a great place to be, and hopefully not an exclusive club. If more people can be moved by B&S, in the way I have been, then I'm very very happy for them. You can wait a lifetime for a band as special as Belle & Sebastian to come around - and I think they're too good not to share. May their stars shine bright on TOTP! (phew ... rant over) good night folks. Lawrence http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Pure, unadulterated content
by Alder, Lucy 04 May '00

04 May '00

Hello kidz This is your special correspondent for pop, here to report back on the crayzee shenanigans that took place at the B&S Q&A last night. After following a trail of people up to the 6th floor of the building and finding a room set up in the conference style, we sat down and moaned about the bar, which consisted of Robinson's Barley Water and Highland Spring and wondered who was ill, because there were only six chairs up the front. Then somebody came and told us all that we were in the wrong room, a lucky thing because the right room had FREE BOUZE! and BIG SOFAS! and and GLITTERY ARTWORKS ON THE WALLS! and FREE BOUZE! Then the band came on and these are some of the things I remember: - Isobel was looking fine and foxy in a ponytail and biker jacket thing with patches on it - Stuart was looking fine and foxy in a schoolboy shirt and tie combo and a big old earring (not dangly, but round) - I can't remember what on earth the others were wearing, but they all looked fine and foxy nonetheless - The general consensus in the band seems to be that The Model is the best song on the album, although Don't Leave The Light... and Too Much Love were also mentioned as good'uns - Stuart thinks that "Steps are freaks" (expect to see this quote in every article about them for the next year) - When asked why he thought B&S fans were scary obsessives, Stuart gestured in the direction of a group of your own Sinister friends and asked "do these people look like scary obsessives?" At this point, his argument was sort of ruined by a person of this parish, who will remain nameless, who got a tiny bit carried away and shouted out "BUT YOU'RE THE BEST BAND IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD EVER!" or something. Stuart went red. Bless. - The video for Legal Man was shown for the first time, but I was behind a pillar and a way off from the screen, so I'll leave it's description to somebody else who might actually have seen it. The rest is a bit of a blur at the moment, largely due to the FREE BOUZE! but it was a bit of a strange atmosphere - sort of forced, but sort of nice at the same time, if you know what I mean. Anyway, I'll stop yabbering on here and let other people fill in my numerous gaps and talk about the questions they themselves asked (I merely sat back and listened to other people asking stuff, other people largely being Ben Clancy of the Melody Maker, who hogged the limelight somewhat). Oh yeah, I've got the whole thing on minidisc too, so I'll try to make the contents available sometime soon, although in what format I'm not sure because, frankly, it's a terrible recording. Feeling rough as a cat's tongue this morning... Juicy Lucy -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and then destroy any copies of it. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: most inane post of the day - I swear it's true
by Lawrence Mikkelsen 04 May '00

04 May '00

I am confused by two things, and would appreciate if anyone could help. Firstly, I just the new Delgados - by jingo it's brilliant (although Dave Friedman's production makes it sound like a Mercury Rev/Flaming Lips album, and the first track does sound like the theme from "Battlestar Galactica" towards the end). Anyway, I keep reading that "The Great Eastern" is named after a 'flophouse' in Glasgow. Excuse my Southern-hemispherian ignorance, but what the hell is a flophouse? An answer mailed offline would be much appreciated. I am really very very confused. Second thing ... why does everyone spell "great" GRATE? Is that some new cool thing? (Jeepers ... I'm starting to sound like my mum!) thanks, Lawrence Mikkelsen http://www.akn.quik.co.nz/mikelsen/aboutme +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: sinister: Lady Tron?
by Ayacolor＠aol.com 04 May '00

04 May '00

Did you miss me?? Hey, It's colorful Aya!! Do you remember me? Japanese AYA??!! Have you guys heard about Lady Tron?? They are bloody good but I want to know about them more.. AyacolorXXX +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Selling out 101: prerequisites vary
by Michele Waggner 04 May '00

04 May '00

Some thoughts, even though no one has offered me a penny... If the band are "selling out" it has to be the longest attempted sell-out in history... a quick spin through the archives shows we were talking about their imminent sell-out and booking stadium shows back in the autumn of 1997 at least. We cringed when the list reached 100, and thought it would crumble at 500. Now look at us... thousands of Sinisterines, the list humming along, Mummy putting band-aids on our knees -- and the band STILL isn't playing Madison Square Garden or the UK equivalent. Plus ca change, etc. So far as I know, most if not all of them still have their day jobs. I don't think they've *quite* gotten the hang of selling-out effectively. Maybe they can pick up a copy of "Selling Out for Dummies" off amazon.com or something. Get with the program, jeez. Not being a musician or very artistic myself, I don't know... but I'd imagine that it's impossible to hit brilliance each and every time. I'd also imagine that every once in awhile you'd want to experiment with something new. Where would Picasso (for lack of any other name) be if he'd gotten stuck with just his blue tubes of paint? And I'll bet there were quite a few pages torn out of his sketchbook and crumpled up, over time. And the odd bad review. Plus, things I might like someone else might hate, due to our individual... tastes? or eye, or whatever it is that one brings to appreciation of anything. The thing I like to do, even when I don't particularly like something, is to try and see what the artist/musician/author/whoever was trying to make me see, or hear. What they were looking at when they made the thing, what they were trying to tell themselves. Even if I still don't like it, I can see where they were trying to go. I think creativity is probably very selfish, in a way -- or like talking to oneself. A struggle maybe to make something inside the brain or soul or heart clearer. In the end, only the creator of the thing knows if they've achieved it. If it speaks to other people, that's a plus. And if the artist can make a living doing that, then they deserve to. It fuels the ability to keep on doing it, at the very least. I don't really think that it is selling-out to offer one's vision to others for a look, necessarily. I suppose it is in the way that it is done. Whether one creates to sell, or sells what one has created. Chicken and egg. I don't think the new cd was made with an eye towards sales. I think they were using some new tubes of paint, trying a new palette. Hard for them to win, isn't it? If they kept turning out IYFS over and over again, eventually people would be criticizing that, and maybe rightly so. Nothing much interesting about a one-trick pony. I remember first hearing IYFS and being KNOCKED OVER by it, just amazed by the gorgeousness of it. None of the subsequent things had quite the effect on me, much as I love many of them. I had a hard time with TBWTAS at first, but I've warmed to a lot of it over time. FYHCYWLAP will cause a stir I suspect. I am a different person than I was 3 or 4 years ago, and thank goodness for that on some fronts, sadly on others. I have my own expectations on what I'd like the band to do, but I'm not them. But I hope all of us remember that the band made the record that reflected what they were trying to see at this point in time. If they didn't hit the nail on the head, only they know. We're just kind of privileged to take a look, if we so choose. That being said, I don't much like the way the single was released, in the various format versions. Maybe at some point the band will address the reasoning behind that. But then again, I don't particularly begrudge the band making money, either. It's a thin line to walk but my feeling is that the band aren't mercenary sell-outs. I think they're too nice for that all in all. Would we rather they just stood around busking outside subway stations? Would that make them more pure? I don't think they'd smell as good, after awhile. On another note: I don't know what's up with Cheepstair International... I'm sure we'll all find out eventually. But, we're in a nice little Sinister bubble here and as Jeepster goes, we don't necessarily go. We've always been a little INDEPENDENT country, like Switzerland, only sloppier. Let the people in the outside world go about their battles... we'll sit cozied up by the fire drinking tea and playing records. Maybe some Charades. And on a MORE IMPORTANT note: I am soo worried about David and Sally Moore and family, and hope that all is well with them. --michele +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: b&s on mtv??
by Kristen Mullarkey 04 May '00

04 May '00

Hey all, I hardly ever write, and I bet your all real upset (you better be!) but I am always enlightened by your lovely stories. So you are now wondering why I put that subject huh? and your also thinking, will this girl get on with it already. Well... see I was thinking, If we could like start a petition for B&S to make a video that would be MTV worthy. OK, wait before you start screaming MTV is propaganda, full of sellouts etc. really think about it how cool would it be to see the best band ever on and it would like totally flip the regularly viewers out and instantly turn them into avid listeners. That's one of my many plans to do when I take over the world! It is a realistic plan because I work at MTV in the presidents office, so I am constantly giving her hints on Non-MTV music, and she listens and smiles but I keep trying to get her to change the station, I am telling you it will happen, just wait! So, um... well I was also wondering for the people in the UK and surrounding and down to Italy, if you can give me an info on good shows or like a cheap place to stay (floor of your place maybe?). I am going to be all around from may 24- June 16. If anyone comes to NYC I can help you just the same. Here is my little sad b&s story, I have a friend who just got put into rehab, but not your normal rehab he got taken out to a monastery out in the woods, he can't have visitor or letters, nothing. I don't know how religion will stop you from doing drugs but I hope it works. So before he left he especially came over and said to me, "hey I listened to b&s, because you said I would love it" and I was all happy, and then he says "they only allow me to take a limited amount of personal items to the place, so I decided to take all the b&s I could find on such short notice." (sniffle, sniffle) Now if that is not a sign there the best then I don't know what is! Well hope you are all well and for myself I end college in two weeks and I am a little nervous but I make it through, don't loose sleep over it, I will be fine. Later tator tots ~~Kristen~~ *I am a cute and nice girl, who has good music taste, please give me a home.* +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: This old heart of mine,been broke a thousand times
by Genevieve Wesley 04 May '00

04 May '00

Sinister treats, I'm restless!So I figure I'll bug you all for a bit.You don't mind sir,do you? Help me with this zipper,kind sir?..its stuck...Maybe Belle&Sebastian haven't changed at all,maybe its you, ma'am,uh huh?(Nah,come on,they have to change,its only natural,they are 'broadening their horizons' err yes..)This happens when you let yourself over analyze too much,just slap that belly and ride the wave.My brothers and sisters,summer is on it's way. Well,I suppose if you're stuck in an igloo,like my Arctic Family up north..you have reason,but the rest of you..you're to be sent to the lambasting room,immediately.I also realise this kind of cheeriness will cause one of you to throttle me in my sleep,thanks.All with a smile on my face,babycakes! We should spend less energy focused on the band selling out,and more time imagining them naked.Didn't Honey once promise us a calendar,or was that a dream? Congratulations Sinister FC!My sons,my sons! Oooh,that shows them nasty NME eh?Ah,you're all so cute.I seriously dig those football uniforms.I spotted an Erica peering glamorously between all those layers of hot sweaty bodies,lucky girl.I think the 'pasty faced vegan' comment is just about the funniest thing I ever heard! Friggin sour grapes that NME is isn't it? Trying to mask their jealousy with all those bitchy piddly-poo sarcastic remarks at Struan.The poor boy had just worked up an awful sweat (deep breath)and wanted to relax,not be assaulted with questions!Besides,how boring can that get?He was there for vacation,let him have his enjoyment.And of COURSE he wasn't wearing NIKE shoes,DUH...Struan only wears 6 inch Manola stilettos,and he's got the calves for them.It's Like A Heatwave...(burning in my heart) I FINALLY saw this Gregory's Girl movie you've all been going on about for years.What a load of geeks!HA.How I laughed.But bless the little hot-pants they wore for their football uniforms.I suppose those are the relationships and crushes you look back upon when you're old and go 'oh,how sweet' but in the meantime,dear lord!(Is that how geeky & lovesick I appear then,to my crushes? Oh yeesh..kill me now then please.)Now,those boys would crumple for sure if you ever tried to talk to them.Do you think Stuart had that gawky stage? I was imagining him being the skinny tall boy with the ginger afro picking his nose.Yum yum! Those pretty faces will be the death of me. Being poor sucks.If I had Stuarts talents,(and to enjoy that job)you can be sure I'd make as much money as possible and buy an island complete with dancing boys.The rest I'd donate to charity,naturally.Hey,at least the kids are paying money for an extended dick slap,what else are they going to spend those dollars on...jellybeans,cigarettes? some glittery lipgloss? i'll crawl back in my hole now, (but not without a kiss first,mwah) genevieve xx p.s sinister toronto people that i was supposed to meet up with a few weeks ago: it turned out to be a bit of a disaster,couldnt contact anyone :( Fairsdos,they say. But if i ever make it down there again.. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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