May 2000 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: catching children in the rye
by FoxInASnow＠aol.com 04 May '00

04 May '00

In regards to this Harpsichord 2000 Tim Gardner posted about: What makes Secret Goldfish obligatory B&S content? I ask this because my friends wanted to name their band Secret Goldfish, till we found out there was already a band with that name. But we don't know anything about this band except for the name. Do they have B&S content? Let me just say, you sign off the list for a week or two or maybe a year, you come back and you feel like the awkward new kid all over again. I recognize a few names, but i feel like i'll never catch up. Maybe i should have everyone over to my house for a big international sinister party, and then i'd know you all. Unless i were a poor hostess, and then nobody would ever talk to me again...oh no! Jess +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: b&s on mtv? ain't gonna happen.
by kittenmouse radio 04 May '00

04 May '00

> If we could like start a petition > for B&S to make a video that would be MTV worthy. i don't know what mtv channel you kids are watching, but the mtv channel i've surfed on by for the last five years or so doesn't play something as silly as a 'music video'. so don't get your hopes up. you might see a belle and sebastian video played a total of, say, once, on the show called 120 minutes. but last time i watched that, they were just playing old crap and things that weren't exactly 'non-mainstream'. plus, if you haven't heard, mtv (and the rest of the kids), aren't exactly interested in sad, gentle pop music. more like, horrible, sexist, homophobic rock/rap or new kids on the block clones or fifteen year old porn stars. try to make quality music, and the kids respond with a resounding 'NO, we want utter CRAP, if you please'. of course, i'm talking about american mtv. i heard rumors that M2 and other non-american mtv channels are much better. M2 did have Bobby Conn as a guest dj, so they can't be that bad. but i have no idea where m2 is even broadcast. anyway, enough ranting. anyone read a book called Ordinary People, by Judith Guest? i just started it. it's pretty good. sincerely, kittenmouse +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: I'm a big baby
by STOUT RJ 04 May '00

04 May '00

I think I must be very affected by smells. Not an attack of The Smells, you understand, I mean the smell of places and objects. I just walked into the toilets here in my department and I think the cleaners must have just left because it smelled very clean and it reminded me of the changing rooms in an old cricket pavillion where my dad used to play. It was very strange, I was most overcome. Could have been the fumes, though. Oh dear it sounds like I spend all my time hanging around in changing rooms and toilets now. I don't, honest. My physics tutor looks like a big baby. Whenever he's explaining something to me I expect him to do a fat burp and gurgle "I'm a big bayy-beee". That would be fun. Nick continues his crusade against tweeness. True, twee's not a flattering word, and I'm not all that keen on giving myself a label, but I'm quite fond of the, um, ambient of the band and I don't think it should be denyed. Maybe there's another word to describe it. Other genres of music have suitably vague terms to describe themselves with, so perhaps we need one that isn't so, well, twee. I remember reading an interview with Tompaulin recently where the singer said that they sounded a bit like B+S, but were less "sickly sweet", I think. And I remember thinking to myself, "But Belle and Sebastian aren't sickly sweet are they?". Most of Belle and Sebastian's songs are quite sad really. I think one of the best things about them is that they can sing about what they do *without* being twee. There's nothing wrong with not being very rock, and just because you're not it doesn't automatically mean you're twee, you know. On the subject of selling out: I'm bored, can we talk about something else now please? Robin x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Not everybody's on Top Of The Pops...
by Tim Gardner 04 May '00

04 May '00

On the fantastical subject of selling out, here's a plug for a record that may or may not be twee. Depending on your point of view. HARPSICHORD 2000 (SHADO), featuring exclusive tracks from: Valvola The Make-Up Secret Goldfish* Electroscope Volume Allstars Momus Cinerama Stereo Total Die Moulinettes Count Indigo Barry Gemso Experience DJ Spectra Remington Super 60 Micromars Astro Black Stereo NME reviewed it last week and gave it 7/10. It's bloody great sounding and the sleeve is pretty darned great too. 19 tracks of Harpsi-madness (ahem) and it'll only cost £6 inc UK P&P from me at 49B Ellora Road, Streatham Common, London, SW16 6JG. Cheques to T. Gardner. Cheaper than in the shops, a Sinister-special-deal-for-the-kids kinda thing. Tim * - obligatory B&S content, sort of. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: You find Belle and Sebastian fans in the STRANGEST places!
by Brandt Fundak 04 May '00

04 May '00

Hey all, Okay, quick background. I am a pro wrestling fan. Yes, I know it is silly, but for some reason I love it. Anyway, we were talking on one of the boards about bands selling out paralleling wrestlers who are over with fans getting lazy and I said that if everyone else wants to like the sell out band (in this case REM) and the over lazy wrestler (in this case the soon to be Mummy II star The Rock) that's fine, but I would keep secrets like Belle and Sebastian and Chris Benoit(a hard working wrestler that I like) to myself. I got this response: Although this may not have to do with anything, I too am a fan of indie rock. I've heard of Belle and Sebastian, and for wusses, they kick ass. I just thought I'd share :) Brandt ===== "Selma, Jub Jub is fantastic! He's everywhere you want to be!" --Troy McClure __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re: Delgados
by Toby Blake 04 May '00

04 May '00

> I am confused by two things, and would appreciate if anyone could > help. Firstly, I just the new Delgados - by jingo it's brilliant > (although Dave Friedman's production makes it sound like a Mercury > Rev/Flaming Lips album There were few more disappointing albums for me last year than Mercury Rev's excruciating progfest - I remember the sheer boyish joys of Yerself Is Steam. This year, it's the turn of the Delgados to churn out some over-produced rubbish. Apparently they were getting sick of being described as "lo-fi". Not going to happen now, is it? That Dave Friedman has an uncanny knack of making everyone sound like Supertramp. Have the male members of the Delgados grown beards? I bet they have. Toby +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: B&S go pop? You mean like 'popular'? Wow
by Nick.Dastoor＠guardian.co.uk 04 May '00

04 May '00

To come back to what honey said, this seems to be a rather bizarre paper man argument. As far as I can make out... The duke is sorry that the band don't mean so much to him anymore. I don't think he ever used the phrase 'selling out'. He just liked it when their aesthetic was a little different. That's fine. Personally, I think bedsit infamy is a good trap to escape. It's how you do it that's the tricky thing. No one has suggested that 'Legal Man' was musically conceived as a cynical commercial exercise. Some people (myself included) think that editing the CD version of 'Judy is a Dick Slap' so that completists need to but the 12" too stinks. No, it's not the most heinous crime in the world by a long stretch, and yes loads of fuckers do it (although you usually get more for your extra money than a few extra minutes of an instrumental). I just thought B&S were better than that. This is the only thing that fits in with what you might call a 'sell out'. Not re-releasing Tigermilk (although they took their bloody time about it) would *not* have been appreciated, Reid. Deliberately under-distributed wanky limited edition vinyl releases are just as bad as double-CD single sets. Not selling out is not equivalent to subscribing to some stupid indie elitist (some 'elite'!) ethic. Not selling out means not just doing things for the money and not screwing your fans. For all the moronic flak it got, making the first 3 EPs available in a set (making for easier distribution and cheaper prices abroad), and making the slipcase separately available at cost price was a recent sign that the band/label are not intent on doing the latter. I hope that the 'Legal Man' format thing is just an aberration. What I'm trying to say is that two separate arguments are getting mixed up under the unhelpful heading 'selling out'. Some people don't like strands of the band's new musical direction, not because they are too commercial, but because they seem 'fake' in some way, lacking in heart, indicating a band that has lost its way. Other people are pissed off with the fact that completist fans will have to fork ou twice for the new single. That is all. I knew things had got confused when Denise suggested that the duke was moaning that they were 'going pop'. On the subject of the troubled Denise, I wasn't overly keen on the idea of the 'list hate' votes, until someone suggested that it should be banned on the grounds that it's 'not very twee'. Too bloody right it isn't. Let's institute it immediately and make people cry. *Only* joking. One questions to those who insist on using the word 'twee' without irony as some kind of self-evident badge of authenticity for B&S fans: Are you happy for Belle & Sebastian to be pigeonholed as 'twee'? You see I think that's pretty faint praise. I'd say that an example of a song that is 'excessively sentimental' (Collins Dictionary) is something like 'Tomorrow' from 'Annie'. Is this the kind of music you see as B&S's musical antecedent? God I'm grumpy today. Nick x PS. I missed a few words out of my last post. I meant to say that when *I thought* that's how the line from 'Half a Person' went I liked it more. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: saturday night, dance, i like the way you move, pretty baby......
by Paula Cullen 04 May '00

04 May '00

hola, i'm *not* new. i was wondering... if b&s sell out, does that mean that they will start having to hang out in Londons Trendy Met Bar? will Beanz be forced into a love tryst with one (or both) of the Appleton sisters? will Isobel be seen on the arms of Jamie Theakston and Goldie on alternating weeks? will Mick constantly surround himself with a bevvy of beauties and appear in a list of Scotlands Most Eligible Bachelors? oh wait, hang on....... on an entirely different note, i noticed a lot of people on this list have been dissing townies lately. that makes me sad. i kinda like townies, though obviously not the type who would actually *kill* you for looking crooked at them, even *i* have to admit that those ones are a *little* scarey. no, i mean the type who favour baaaad bubble perms and strappy silver sandals in november even though their legs look like two chunks of corned beef. and dont get me started about the girls. boom boom etc. of late, i have been mostly hanging out in what i suppose you would call townie pubs and clubs. they are great fun really, you know. at this stage i have developed somewhat of a rapport with the townies. they laugh at my taste in music and clothes. loudly, of course. and i laugh at theirs. inwardly, of course. i dont fancy having to get all my teeth replaced. again. "legal man"? hasn't got a patch on "tocas miracle".... Queen P. p.s. so cheapster chat is closing then? shit. i really wont sleep tonight now. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: It aint exactly minimum wage, but..........
by vibrosheep＠junglemail.net 04 May '00

04 May '00

Oh bollocks, I've been stirred into writing again by the resurgence of the East Devon wing of this 'ere list. It saddens me (and I don't mean to be offensive for once) that some of us are taking this "selling out" business sooooooooooo seriously. Everyone has their passions, and one of the Dukes is obviously P!O!P! but at the end of the day, do we really need to read so much into the subject that we take it all beyond simple entertainment ?? Now, I'll be up front with yers, I know shite about the music industry (I just sit on me arse all day tapping buttons, drinking cider, making babies and playing silly computer games - they are my passions), but B&S do what they do for a living, it's their job, and they've a right to try and make as much or as little money as they want out of it. Only, they don't get all their remuneration - their employers decide that they want to keep some of it for themselves. If my boss said to me, "Here's your payslip. Your salaries been credited to your bank account. Oh but by the way I've kept �xxx for meself", I'd twat him one so hard he'd be seeing pound signs for weeks. First and foremost I guess the band write and play their music for their own enjoyment. Then they happen to be rather damn good at it all and are kind enough to share it with the rest of us. As for the amount of material put out over the last couple of years, I'd rather be touched briefly by something once every twelve months than be showered with shat every five minutes in the name of profit. I wholeheartedly agree with the Duke about the weaknesses of the last album and EP, but like DoH I remember the bits of the first 2 LP's which made me cream me Y's, and, if there is one track on FELCHYPLOP that rekindles some of those feelings in me, then I'm there on the local record stores doorstep at 9am on June 5th. I'll see you there. I've said me bit - right I'm off to read up on the advantages of terry nappies. Take care and be kind to Welshmen. Adrian. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Selling out (a new twitch, dont delete!)
by jarkko frantila 04 May '00

04 May '00

Welly well, it's me again. Remember me? I used to be sweet. And I still am. Only one thing to say: SELLING OUT Oh yes. How I love this debate. A bit like two kids arguing in the playground. Kid one: "My dad is stronger than yours." Kid two: "No, my dad!" Kid one: "No, my dad!" Kid two: "No, my dad!" etc. etc. etc.... times fucking one thousend and one. I have NOTHING else to say about the subject but this: http:www.bspoll.freeservers.com I spent three hours here at the office trying to make the poll work. I'm not sure it does, but that's not the point. Maybe it's better that it doesn't work, otherwise we might be exposed to some horrible secrets. But: I think we ALL can find ourselves in there somewhere, eh? Not trying to be bitchy, just saying that the fucking "sellout/not!"- thing has gone too far. Maybe I should also start a Stop the Madness/ Who gives a shit?- campaign so there'd be some sense in this. Or perhaps not. @--->--- Jake ps: Cheers. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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