June 2000 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: I just might die with a smile on my face after all
by Vicki Rider 14 Jun '00

14 Jun '00

Hi-- Felt depressed for days because my last post was such a crap post, so I hope this one comes out better. Listened to FYH on a car trip, now love it dearly. Better at times than Tigermilk, but it will never break the force of my 90 minute back-to-back Sinister/Arab Strap combo. Has anyone else noticed that "Beyond The Sunrise" sounds a bit like The Moody Blues song "Are You Sitting Comfortably"? Just me? OK. I'll end this remarkably short post with a B+S reminisce, so if you get queasy at such things just skip down to the end. ---> First listening to Sinister at school. I didn't have too many great friends at the time because it was the beginning of the school year and, even though I attended the last few months of the previous year, no one remembered me and anyway thought I was a bit "odd", because I listened to B+S and The Smiths instead of Third Eye Blind or nothing (oh my god! You'd be amazed at how many teenagers, when asked what kind of music they listen to, say "Oh, I don't really like music" or "I only like music you can sing to. Like, I have only one N'Sync cd, but I'm getting tired of it . . . At which point my eyes glaze over--I'm sorry, I can't help it!) Anyway, at lunch everyday I would sit on these cheesy metal bleachers and eat my lunch, looking out at the field with it's patchy sun-baked brown grass and, past that, the major road where cars would whizz by and honk at the poor PE students running their lap. I would occasionaly bring my walkman with me, and, on this particular day, I had Sinister in. The title track came on, with the sound bite of children playing in the background, and suddenly I felt marvellously happy. There was nothing I would rather be doing than this. Ciao! (in the most Eddie Izzard-sense of the word) Rachel W. Ah! Two things: Has anyone listened to The Rollerskate Skinny album "Horsedrawn Wishes"? Highly recommended to anyone who hasn't. and.. Due to much confusion, "Vicki Rider" is simply my mom's name (the account's in her name)--my name is Rachel Walther (as in the gun James Bond uses--I think my family has some heritage going back to the German gunmaker but you never know . . .). "If the Velvet Underground were an ice cream flavor, what would it be?" Andy Warhol: "Ahh, white." +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V4 #187
by RAnder3567＠aol.com 14 Jun '00

14 Jun '00

In a message dated 6/14/00 12:23:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-sinister-digest(a)missprint.org writes: << I dreamt that in order to achieve greater chart success, B&S decided to re-release Legal Man as a double A side with The Bloodhound Gang's The Bad Touch. It went straight to number one, and both bands were so pleased they decided to merge and write songs about breasts forever and ever. - --------------- What does all that prove? It proves that I am probably completely nuts, and I should stop eating cheese before bedtime. >> Not at all.....this is actually a very common dream if you've read any Jung. Robert in NYC +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Hugh Dallas (3rd time lucky)
by Rachel 14 Jun '00

14 Jun '00

Warrander John - Fun, Money and Love wrote: > I'm saying nothing about Portugal being pretty bloody fantastic on Monday > night cos that JJ bloke knows where I live and he's got crazy, staring eyes > and he might beat me up for being a "jock fuck". But such a handsome one - JJ here by the way, I'm not on the list but my wife is so I thought I'd reply. I've matured somewhat since then, a bit like a fine cheese, so Rod Begbie can sleep easy, I wish no harm upon him. I too enjoyed the football game, cos let's face it, football's the only winner when it comes down to it eh? Actually this time round I'm with the eastern europeans. Coom on Slovenia! You let me down bad last night chaps. > England play Romania again > next Tuesday in case nobody's noticed. I'm looking forward to the Germany > game myself. Yes and it shall be laughs all round in the Jackson/Cohen-Jackson household, I'll warrant. Who else likes Neil Young? I'm just amazed that his works managed to elude me for most of my life. Only the other week I finally got round to buying Harvest, After The Gold Rush, Comes A Time and Zuma. And my my what I have been missing! I like Belle and Sebastian's new album too. But isn't that Leave The Light On song just a lot like Air? Cheerio then I didn't want to intrude too much.. JJ xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Time is on our side
by Jeanette 14 Jun '00

14 Jun '00

Howdy, kids. Here's the Time article, in case some of you haven't seen it. Not nearly as interesting as the Guardian write up. But, at least they refer to B&S fans as "intelligent-looking." That's nice. Swooning, Jeanette ***************************** The Belle Epoque A quirky Scottish bands throwback pop is making adults swoon By Josh Tyrangiel The release of Belle and Sebastian's fourth album was no 'N Sync affair. Crowd control was not required. Traffic was not stopped. But when the doors opened at New York City's downtown Tower Records store last Tuesday morning, a steady procession of people very intelligent-looking adult people headed to the racks, grabbed their copies of Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like a Peasant (Matador) and tore out of the store, desperate to get to the first music-playing implement they could lay their hands on. Soon the Belle and Sebastian websites, and there are dozens of them, were humming: "I've got it!" wrote one fan. "It's quite remarkable how beautiful it is. There is a God!!!" Devoted fans aren't unusual in the music world, but Belle and Sebastian not a duo, but a mixed-gender septet from Glasgow, Scotland inspires cultish adoration from folks too old and too smart to be hanging posters on the wall. The group's votaries meet in coffee houses to pore over lyrics. A couple proudly reported naming their children Belle and Sebastian. There's even a website devoted to no joke original fiction inspired by B&S songs. What artistic force could cause perfectly normal adults to regress into thoroughly obsessed teens? For the most part, it's old-fashioned pop music. Belle and Sebastian blends guitars, pianos, violins, cellos, horns and whatever else is lying around into the kind of sweet pop pioneered by the Beatles, Love and Phil Spector. Lyrically, chief writer and singer Stuart Murdoch, 30, favors mournful, Smiths-influenced rhymes about the adolescent frustration that comes from desperately wanting to do something but not knowing exactly what. He's clever, but it's Murdoch's quavering falsetto that is the band's trademark. Earnest and prematurely wise, his vocals mix angst and nostalgia with a hint of optimism. As he sings on B&S's second album, If You're Feeling Sinister, "Get me away from here I'm dying/ Play me a song to set me free/ Nobody writes 'em like they used to/So it may as well be me." As good as the music is, and all three previous records have found their way into year-end critics polls, it's the group's resolve to do things in its own flighty, boho way that has transformed it from a mere band into a cosmology. Growing out of an experiment in a music-business class at Glasgow's Stowe College in 1996, Belle and Sebastian was named after an obscure French children's cartoon. The band turned down major labels and big-money offers to sign with tiny London-based Jeepster (it's distributed in the U.S. by Matador), and all seven members have kept their day jobs, including Murdoch, who rather famously lives above the annex of a church where he works as a caretaker and janitor. Their videos are hilariously amateurish. They release unrelated EPs weeks before their albums come out. They tour infrequently. And their media shyness is pathological; the photo you see here of Murdoch is the first he's ever posed for, and he has avoided interviews for years. In short, they do everything so purposefully wrong, they just have to be right. Murdoch, who interrupted his media blackout for a rare chat with TIME while vacationing in the U.S., is aware that the band has an aura of preciousness, and he dutifully tries to deflate it. "We get drunk and go out to clubs and listen to deejays," he says in a quiet brogue. He likes sports, and even checked out a Mets baseball game. His normal guyness is impressive. Still, he lovingly refers to the band as "the people's republic of Belle and Sebastian," and as he strolls through Manhattan's Greenwich Village, he stops in his tracks in front of the Lucille Lortel Theater's mini Walk of Fame. "Ring Lardner," he says, staring in wonder at the satirist's little star in the cement. "Salinger mentions him in The Catcher in the Rye, but I had no idea he was a real person until just now." Perhaps precious fits just fine. If there's a danger lurking for Belle and Sebastian, it's that the members' capriciousness may one day do them in. Each seems to have an individual musical side project in addition to his or her day job, and while Murdoch likes to think the band is peaking, he recognizes that trying to professionalize things would be a grave error. "Our lives outside of music are who we are. If we thought of ourselves as strictly professional musicians, it would probably take all the fun out of it." And leave a gaping hole in the lives of countless adoring adults. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Swearing with dignity
by honey＠missprint.org 14 Jun '00

14 Jun '00

Sin sisters, - BRRRM - The Glasgow University Guardian's Jason Cranwell sent the article below to the band's office to pass on. Thanks Jason. It's mainly about Stuart's new friend, Max. It's good. I bet Max doesn't get a namecheck in Time magazine. - SWEARING - This list has a long and honourable tradition of swearing. Some of you will remember Tim's "Belle and Sebastian Swear Word Competition" or Profanathon: http://www.missprint.org/cgi-bin/listsearch.cgi?query=swearing%3Bcompetition http://www.missprint.org/cgi-bin/listsearch.cgi?query=Profanathon I can't remember if we ever announced the winners, maybe they were too rude for Tim; I seem to remember "Bell-end" featured in almost every entry. Others will remember the Welsh "Yale College Rude Word Collector" ("YCRWC") that only knew English swearwords, not Welsh: http://www.missprint.org/cgi-bin/listsearch.cgi?query=Welsh%3Bpomegranate Chris Leonard got a thanks on the new LP for his contribution to B&S themed swearing, and his place of work also scores rude words out of 10 and sets off alarms when you hit 50 or something and he gets in trouble: it's fun to mail him and see if you can score 49. Finally, as confessed by Steve Carsmile, he also lives somewhere that doesn't like the words "bum", "willy", and I regularly get told off by the mail software there for you all swearing in mails to the list that wind up in his mailbox. At night I sweat through fevered dreams imagining I'm stuck in a windowless office with the central heating on full in one of these venerable institutions, in a meeting where they decide which words they should detect, whether "bugger" is still rude, if they should meet regularly to add new emerging swear words like "flibbing", whether "pish" is valid Scots dialog or not. I awake exhausted. With regards to the current incident, originating as someone pointed out from some crazed software on the loose at a school in Cornwall, I've moved the unsuspecting listee from the main list to the digest, meaning I'll hopefully get the emails instead of all you, and less frequently. I hope this time the software points out *which* words it objects too; it doesn't do to get left behind in the ever evolving world of objectionable phrases. Anyway, I hope you're all doing well, all 1400 of you. I'll be back a bit more in a little while probably. Did someone review a Bon Jovi LP on this list a few days ago, or was it my imagination? Honey x ----- MEETING MAX for the first time was a strange experience. Sitting there on the side of the road with the sun gleaming off his black body he looked elegant, like he'd grown old gracefully and could tell you some stories. But we weren't there to meet Max. You see, Max's owner is a certain Stuart Murdoch. And Max is his recently acquired 1973 Ford Granada. Stuart is understandably precious about his recent automobile purchase, politely warning your Guardian scribes not to lean on the door. His eyes are lit with pride as we sit within the confines of its leather interior, before a flick of the key starts the car first time, and the engine rumbles contently with a gallant whir. Stuart obligingly tells the story of its acquisition. "Me and my brother were expecting the worst. We'd already seen a car that this guy couldn't even get started, and this one was ten years older than that. My brother was like 'this is going to be a wreck, do you still want to see it?'" Stuart's gut instinct was to take the trek to a farm in Aberfoyle. The decision was the right one, as the car proved to be what can unequivocally termed a 'classic'. However, the pair were still cautious, as the young lady owner hadn't actually stated a selling price in the advert. "We eventually asked 'What are you wanting for it?' And she said '900'... Me and my brother were like [gesture of stifled excitement] 'don't say anything!'. Stuart thought the Granada suited the name 'Max', after a character in 'Hart To Hart'. "It's not a woman. Because it carries you about and does things and it's black, you look at it more as your butler." Driving along the city boundaries of Maryhill, Stuart speaks of the houses that were once there and points to a church name-checked in a Belle & Sebastian song. Memories are sparked from teenage days of skateboarding and jogging along the Forth and Clyde canal, and it becomes clear the extent to which the landscape of Glasgow is a source of inspiration for Stuart's songwriting. "Sinister, for instance, is so geographical," comments Stuart on Belle & Sebastian's second album. "Every song was written in a specific part of the city, and the place left its mark on the writing." As we edge with terrifying predictability closer to Buchanan Street Bus Station, the temptation to Park and Ride must surely be overwhelming bus fanatic Stuart. But Glasgow's main terminus does not hold the same fondness for Stuart as the depots at Knightswood and Butterbiggins Road in the Southside. A detour from the city centre via Strathclyde University reminds Stuart of his fresh-faced years as a DJ there, helping to run a club night called the 'Wasp Factory'. "We did it at the QM as well, actually. It was a Thursday night. Thursday nights in the QM were usually great. In the end I got sacked for playing alternative music. And within a year the alternative was the mainstream." Stopping at traffic lights, we notice a fly-poster for Belle & Sebastian's 'Legal Man' single and inquire as to whether Stuart often listens to his own songs. "I listened to Tigermilk again when we mastered it and stuck it out. That was the first time I'd heard it for ages. I don't feel big-headed when I say I think it's perfect, but I think it sums up that time that we had and the coming together of the group. It's got a lot of energy and I wouldn't change a thing about it." However, the Belle & Sebastian frontman is surprisingly much more critical about the band's second album, If You're Feeling Sinister. "It's really flawed, it's all over the place, and it's not such a happy listening experience. For a long time afterwards it was hurtful, because when we were still learning about how to make records, I thought 'we could have done that better. I want to do it better. I want to do it again.' I don't think about it too much now. Personally speaking, for the songs I've written, I think they're definitely the strongest, but the music on it fell short." As for the new album, Fold Your Hands Child, You Walk Like A Peasant, Stuart is again frank about how he thinks it has turned out. "To be honest, it's not as fresh, and I think it will lose a bit in time. I'm happy now that the record's finished, but there's songs I've been disappointed in and it's been a total struggle. I can't describe how much work we put into that, and how much we've thrown away and chopped and changed and re-recorded. Hopefully next time we'll be able to craft a song and an arrangement without so much pain and waste." Fold Your Hands... and previous LP, The Boy With The Arab Strap have seen the songwriting and vocal duties evolve from a Stuart Murdoch showcase to the present situation where almost all of the band members contribute songs. "I think it's great that we've moved on, it's what the band's become. After we did Arab Strap, a lot of the band were really unsure what their role was, and if it was right that they should be putting songs in. And I was half way down on my knees begging them for songs, and that was wrong at the time. It actually reflected in how the album went badly initially, because the balance was all wrong, and we chucked it in for a few months and came back to it. By that time, Stevie had a couple of songs he wanted to do with Sarah, and I was like 'Sarah, where the fuck have you been hiding that one?!' Chris had started a song which we wrote together, and suddenly the whole dynamic of the record was right. We couldn't make a record like we used to - the interest wouldn't be there. We all know about music to an extent, and we can't deny that to ourselves." A near-escape onto the rush of motorway traffic, before a sharp change of direction, and Stuart decides it's time to park Max kerbside at St. Mungo's Cathedral. Religion plays a significant part in the life of Stuart Murdoch. Much of his time away from the band is spent looking after his local church hall, and the influence of his faith often extends into Belle & Sebastian songs. "My favourite book is the Bible, and my favourite book in the Bible is 'St. John', and I've lifted freely and happily from that since I read it." Unfortunately, the intended pilgrimage to the visitor centre proves elusive, as we arrive 45 minutes after closing time, so a brisk walk to the nearby caf for a cuppa seems a sensible alternative. In the multi-national surroundings of the caf (it's a strange mix of foreign tourists, post-work drinkers and college kids), Stuart ruminates on life before Belle & Sebastian. "It was a long drawn out process of actually hoping to be in a band and getting a band together. From '92 till the end of '95 I was playing with musicians and trying to get songs written. I recorded demos with Stuart, other people and on my own, and there are still songs that haven't been recorded, and from time to time we'll drop one in." >From a creative flurry in 1995, a name was now needed under which Stuart could release the fruits of his songwriting labour. "In the summer of '95, I started writing a story about two characters. One was a guy, a bit of a layabout, quite directionless; the other was a young girl who was quite plugged into what she was doing, and they'd see each other about. Basically, he ends up giving her a guitar lesson and stuff like that, and he finds that she's got a great talent for songwriting, and he's absolutely enraptured. I called the boy 'Sebastian' just because I quite liked the name, and then I thought it would be quite funny to call them 'Belle and Sebastian' because it's a nice memory from childhood." Events closer to the present day have seen bassist Stuart David relinquish his responsibilities with Belle & Sebastian to pursue his pet project, Looper, full-time. Stuart recalls the moment his namesake announced his departure from the band. "We were having a meeting to decide what we were doing about gigs and things, and Stuart said he was going off on a Looper tour, and I think I said he should maybe take a break from the band." Stuart David, though, felt a permanent leave of absence was more suitable. "I don't think he was very happy with the band or else he would have stayed. It was totally amicable when it happened. It dawned on me that day that that's what he had to do, and that's what he was completely intending to do. I mean, he basically wasn't there [laughs] - there was no real grief about it, it was a relief. My memories of Stuart and his contribution to the band are totally sweet." Coffee break over, once again we return to Max, and Stuart executes a textbook three-point-turning before we journey homewards. A couple of suspect lane changes go unmentioned, but by and large Stuart's driving skills are admirable, content as he is to cruise in resplendent leisure, paying full attention to the road ahead. "It's just as well it's an automatic," smirks Stuart, "if I had to change gears as well I wouldn't be able to speak." As Max climbs the gradient of University Avenue, just before we are dropped off, we enquire if Stuart thinks he'll write a song about his beloved car for the next record. "I don't know, if one of the songs talks about a guy called Max then you'll know what it's about..." Jason Cranwell +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Gigs, Diane Riggs and polyester wigs
by Martin Robinson 14 Jun '00

14 Jun '00

Alright fluffy animal lovers and even those who like rhinos, Time for some list abusive self promotion: I'm great. No, we all know that isn't true even my mum thinks I'm a tosser though she says it a bit politer than that. Which probably expains why when I left the house for a few days and came back all my stuff had been shifted up into the loft in boxes and the locksmith was there for some reason too. Ho hum.. Families eh? They're nearly as good as that 80's soap set in Australia and England with the guitarist from the Mock Turtles. Imagine the worst bit of Aussie and British soaps with a dash of Can u Dig It? It was bleedin' unmissable if you ask me. Anyway my point is for all you Londoners not attending that muddy load of toilet known as Glastonbury there's a little shindig in that little sweatbox commonly referred to as the Betsey Trottwood pub in Farringdon, on Farringdon Road on Friday the 23rd of June. Great bands (The Relict, White Papers, Jet Johnson & Special Guests!) and great DJ's from top pop combo's Camera Obscura and Tompaulin all starting from 7.30pm and carrying on to the unearthly hour of 1am. All for the bargain price of 3 English pounds. What more could you possible ask for on a summer's night? Email me if you need any more information, or if you want a coherent reply email mellstreet productions at mellstreet(a)btinternet.com. One of the mell street kids will put a flyer online for you soon with directions and stuff. Bless 'im. I can though comfirm now that the special guests do not now include a cover band who sing The Boy Done Wrong Again with a ukelele, who's encore apparently is to shove said ukelele where the sun don't shine. Now that's pop as he does it in under 3 and a half minutes, though, unfortunately, they don't get many encores. I did my best to get them here but there was a problem getting them working visas. Red tape eh? If I carry on writing pap it won't be proper list abuse will it, so I'll go back to reading my special Where the Wild Things Are book, which I'll finish one day. Oh and if anyone looks to the skies later in central London I'll be waving on top of that millenium eye thingy. Nice of the weather to start clouding over darkly just for me so I'll have a fine view of the best part of bugger all. Ho hum... Te ra, Martin P.S Is wanting a Fifteen-to-One themed party a sign that you really ought to get out more? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Davie Dodds The Elephant Man
by Warrander John - FML 14 Jun '00

14 Jun '00

Hello you anal internet lot, Isn't getting your sound man to dress up as a monkey and then trying to break into the Queen Vic really childish? I hate Belle and Sebastian. They're bollocks. I did one of them focus group things at the weekend and that was rubbish too. It was at a museum and they were trying to design a website that would attract new visitors. I don't think pointing out that tourists who come to Manchester are usually more interested in where the Village is and whether you can sell them some E was taken as very constructive. But it went down better than telling the curator their museum was rubbish and smelt bad and no way would they ever come to it no matter how good their webpage was. I didn't say that but the bloke who did delivered it with terrific wide-eyed sincerity. The curator tried very hard not to look pissed off and failed. I got paid fifteen quid for my time and did something I swore I'd never, ever do under any circumstances, no way, no how, not never. I only went and bought a record that you lot had recommended. 69 Bloody Love Songs indeed. 69 bloody tedious songs more like. Well, probably. I haven't made it passed the first CD yet. Mrs Warrander John hasn't made it past track 5 yet but then when I asked her as a woman what she thought of Chalet Lines she said she thought it was "a minimal, brittle, sketch of half-forgotten romance" so she's obviously a stupid cow. I'm saying nothing about Portugal being pretty bloody fantastic on Monday night cos that JJ bloke knows where I live and he's got crazy, staring eyes and he might beat me up for being a "jock fuck". England play Romania again next Tuesday in case nobody's noticed. I'm looking forward to the Germany game myself. Are you still looking forward to the Germany game Peter? I think Isobel should have given all you nasty sods who've said horrid things about her the finger when B&S were on TOTP. She probably did but it was edited out I expect. I was going to mention an anecdote about an Aberdeen player in the eighties called Walker McCall who was the worst professional footballer ever. But we've probably all had enough football for one day. I'm going to go on chat now and wait for Megan the minker to give me a drubbing. Goodbye, John +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: Swearing with dignity
by FoxInASnow＠aol.com 14 Jun '00

14 Jun '00

This came from an old post of Honey's in the archives that came up when i did the profanathon search: > I quite like the word "panties", partly because it rhymes with > "Aunties" and "sea-shanties". In fact, New Year Sinister competition > no. 1 is to send me a limerick with B&S content, which features these > three words rhyming on lines 1, 2 and 5. > Competition no. 2 is the one I forgot to send in over Christmas, > because I had my head under a quilt: write a short Christmas carol, > with B&S content, featuring the rhymes "Mary" and "hairy" and "Jesus" > and "cheeses". Why don't we have fun competitions like this anymore? Why did i ever think it was a good idea to take a list hiatus while all this frolicksome good timing was going on? And where is everyone these days, anyway? In other news, Youn asked a few days ago: > orange slices and a Fall lp... > Can the person who told us about trochaic triameter (?) tell us about the > rhythm of this line? I'm not sure what song is being referenced here, and as songsmiths sometimes addle the meter of a word or phrase to make it fit into their song correctly, i can't be 100% on the meter of it as it's sung. But if you chant it out loud like a drumbeat you get something like: ORange SLICEs AND a FALL el PEE which is more or less trochaic pentameter, but without the final syllable at the end. Though i suppose you could just as easily argue that it's iambic pentameter without the initial syllable at the beginning. Hmmm. Either way, i'm sure it isn't sung in nearly as annoying a manner as it sounds if you walk around saying ORange SLICEs AND a FALL el PEE. This pesky poetry parrot has torturing my poor cat mercilessly for over a week now. Unfortunately, my cat seems to enjoy it and has been taking the parrot's side in household debates recently. I'm not sure what they're doing at home together while i'm off at work, but whatever it is, it has to be stopped. I will be sending something to the list shortly. Jess. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Don't Shilly Chalet
by Peter Miller 14 Jun '00

14 Jun '00

It's gone a bit quiet round here. I hope it's not because everyone's too scared to say what they think sums up what's wrong with the new album, for fear of having a crate of empty milk bottles dropped on them from the eighteenth floor. For me, what sums up what's wrong with the new album is the photo inside. Chris Geddes looks like Hanson's ugly brother, the one they keep locked in a cupboard until they do their cover of the Young Frankenstein version of "Putting on the Ritz". My word, hasn't Isobel filled out? Stevie looks like a highly sexed dad from DH Lawrence. No wonder Sarah's keeping her distance. Mad Dog Murdoch's outfit makes him look a little like a military man, or a Gestapo officer infiltrating the Salvation Army. Why does Chris want us to read a book called "No Lego"? Is it some kind of childhood trauma? I think "The Chalet Lines" is great, and anyone who doesn't like it is a cloth-eared bogeynose. Titian, Shakespeare, Thomas Hardy, Peter Wyngarde, Hubert Selby, Atom Egoyan, Muriel Spark.... none of these great male artists could/can go more than five minutes without creating something rape-related, yet I doubt they're worse people than you or me. Some of them got prosecuted, let's see if we can get Struan prosecuted. He's already in the bad books for telling Stagecoach to eff off, so it shouldn't be too difficult. Dirty filthy Pontins pig. The "don't swear" messages I get come from Cornwall, wherever that is. You will notice that I haven't sworn in this message. My spies tell me that John Smith's in Hillhead is closing down. Does anyone know what's going to happen to Stephen Pastel? I bet he's furious. Thanks in advance, Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: smiths begging
by julesmarkham 14 Jun '00

14 Jun '00

hey folks does anyone out there have the first smiths album that was produced by troy tate? It's a little obscure I know, but it's the one smiths thing eric (the first guy to ever say 'i love you' to me and mean it and the possible dream) hasnt got, and i really want to surprise him! I'll offer anything, b+p, trades, our firstborn son, anything! can anyone help? jules x +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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