July 2000 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: One Of These Days
by David Moore 12 Jul '00

12 Jul '00

Hi FLOYD Fans Who Are Prog? Would they rock my arse, too? Are they responsible for Carsmile Steve's muscle damage? Obscured By Clouds was the dull 70's film with an OK Floyd soundtrack (for David White) Ummagumma is actually OK, Nick D (at least the live album is - the studio one is pooh, except for Grantchester Meadows) so you should give it a listen. Oh, wait a minute, you can't be moved by music without words, right? Roll Over Beethoven indeed. FakingUpAPortageLaPrairie entering landslide into Honey' fucking enormous search engine produced 57 matches, quite a few informing one that its an Isobel penned song which was played (at least) at The Bowlie SORRY Adrian "Sheepworrier" Evans, but Sir Cliff made me delete the whole list of reasons why I think pregnancy is NOT boring If I Were A Rich Man I'd nip down to Barcelona for the picnic. Trust the bloody continentals to hold it at lunchtime, though. No respect for the protestant work ethic & all that. Have a great time chaps. BTW Peter, wasn't Kate Bush's first album recorded with Dave Gilmour's money, or in his studio or something? Wicked link if the latter, as trumpet maestro Mick Cooke recently played a session for the Fannies album in.... Dave Gilmour's studio. Honey MIA? That illness stuff is just cover. See the real reason why (where?) Honey has had his head down at http://www.missprint.org/sinister/things/BritneyFarm.html where strange things appear between Britney's legs. Droit du Seigneur or somesuch. Bye Bye, David Moore Chelmsford, UK +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Continental post and British weather
by elenita99 12 Jul '00

12 Jul '00

Hello fellow listees, My little brother (well he's almost 18) has arrived this week from France to spend three weeks in London and improves his English. During his first night he came into my room at some indecent hour and woke me up. I'll translate the conversation for you, in case you are not fluent in French :) Elena: "grmglmgrmwhat?" Lil'bro: "Elena...I'm cold!" E: "grlmlm...what? ...but I gave you a duvet!" L: "yeah but it's fucking freezing in here!" So as I am not that cruel I had to get up and gave him another duvet in order to get back to sleep in peace. All this to illustrate my point: this weather is properly indecent for July. Carsmile said: >I must say, the L*ndon p*cnic seems to be being organised with a touch > >more continental flair and elan this time. No more hanging around > >outside tube stations with the 16 year olds looking like we've all >been >stood up, oh no, this time we have the relaxed sophistication of >a proper >grown up PUB Well, to be totally honest I'll have to admit that the pub idea was coming from an English person (which sounds quite logical if you think about how english is a pub). But thanks anyway, I feel full of continental elan now. And Mr Casarotto was right, come on Saturday, "it'll be fucking ace". Martin said: >But I'll be doing a Euan at the London picnic on Saturday so you'll >have >to catch me early Which first made me laugh and then I felt sorry for the poor boy: he's about to become a generic expression for "being drunk" and he doesn't even know it yet. I didn't felt sorry for Martin though, but maybe I will on Saturday if we leave him lying on the grass of the Hill almost unconscious. I am not taking any responsabilities for that, and it is a statement. Have a good week all Love Elena PS: I didn't mention Pink Floyd, na na naaaaa ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: im not the girl i thought i was
by sweetie something 12 Jul '00

12 Jul '00

sinister aight? tis i i i but as the subject suggests its not who i thought it was oh no oh yes sorry but im sort of basking in myself at the mo coz im real happy happy just now in a fine fine sort of a way and its nice :) so aye t in the park twas fun although the only thing i brought home with me was the cold :/ yeah and i have like no money at all and the plan was whatever i bring home fae t in the park would go in the bank but i got home and decided that i couldnt last without looooper so i went out and blew the dregs on the 2 albums oops ach ahm getting kickied off the buggers- grrrr well all lovin u and leavin u wouldnt it be nice to be a thanku? sweetie xox ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: The monster from twee
by MCFC9＠aol.com 12 Jul '00

12 Jul '00

Hello listeroos. This is my second post, as I have a longing to make my name know to all of you pasty-faced vegan geeks. Just wanted to run over some quick things, throw in my two cents worth. First of all, I had a B&S dream last night. Well, kind of. Me and a friend we're travelling in a very large purple pickup truck that in someway reminded me of a bed, and all of us were playing musical instruments, and I was trying to avoid sitting next to a dirty old man who seemed to rather like me. Well, anyhow, Struan and Isobel showed up, and Struan told me my trumpet playing was shit. It's funny because he's right. I'm a boy who plays guitar, not the trumpet. And Isobel just stood there looking pretty, even though I knew that she knew I was thinking about how all you sinisteroos like her bottom. Confusing? Ok, in other news, I like libraries, but not the ones run by local governments, as they hardly ever have decent books to read. I thought every library in the world had "On The Road" by Jack Kerouac until a few weeks ago. Ok, Floyd is shit. I need to go, my chicken is burning!!!!!! Mike The monster from twee +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Strange Meeting - Barcelona
by Peter Miller 12 Jul '00

12 Jul '00

I spoke to Mister Jordi on the phone last night. Some of us are supposed to be meeting up tomorrow, Thursday, at 1 o' clock, outside Cafe Zurich or Bar Zurich or whatever it's called. Some bloke called Annie's coming with her mate and someone else and Mister Jordi. It's all a bit vague, but it would be very nice if hundreds of people turned up, so come on down if you're that way inclined and in the Barcelona area. Don't be shy, I can assure you that you won't be as frightened as me, and I'm 32 years of age with a wife and several houseplants to worry about. So that's where we'll be, outside the Cafe Zurich. I might try and squeeze into my Study at Stow t-shirt, and will be loitering Clouseau-like at the newspaper kiosk. It's going to be BLUDDY GRATE, even if I'm on my own. This morning I thought I'd sort this Floyd business out once and for all, so I rummaged around and found my Floyd record, the first three singles. It's BLUDDY GRATE, especially "See Emily Play". Three minutes of pop perfection worthy of Nick Heywood in his heyday. "Wearing a gown that touches the ground". Lovely. I confess that it brought a tear to my eye. Great production too, especially the cello or double bass or whatever it is that sort of takes things down a level every now and then. "Scarecrow" is good too, suitable for Gentle Waves fans. Of course, this kind of Floyd stuff was a big influence on the eighties indie scene, and therefore a big influence on B&S. And Stereolab. My view is that when Syd went away, he took all the personality with him. That's why later Floyd sounds dull, and also why so many people like it so much. Once I'd run out of Floyd I had to seek out a track from something called "Nick Mason's Fictional Sports" featuring Robert Wyatt. It's terrible. Then I had to listen to The Orb. Much better. I like the Floyd better than the Straits. I recommend Queen for grandiosity. Quiz question: What have the Floyd got in common with the Kate Bush? I enjoyed Kate Bush's appearance on the soundtrack of "Felicia's Journey", really fitted in well, I thought. So we're counting down to the Queen Mum's birthday, are we? Should be a real cliffhanger, that should. Have Go-Kart Mozart been used on any TV tributes yet? Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:14:31 +0100
by Mark Casarotto 12 Jul '00

12 Jul '00

I've just received a top class digest and I just *had* to reply. Nickie D, where's the cynicism and grumpy-old-bastard-ness gone? Adrian Evans, do you know how excited you made me (nothing new there) by promising untold tales of Torquay United and then RIPPING my dreams from my throat (please ignore ill-thought-out metaphors)? Martin Robinson, did you know how much you turn me on? T'other Martin, weren't you in Wilson Phillips? The whole band were on the list at one point, you know. Right, I'm off to prog rock Nick Dastoor's arse. Mark (founder member of Le Pastiche de la Bourgeoisie) xxx ******************************************************************* HIT Entertainment PLC 5th Floor, Maple House 141-150 Tottenham Court Road LONDON, W1P 9LL Tel: +44 (20)7 554 2500 Fax: +44 (20)7 388 9321 The contents of this e mail from HIT Entertainment PLC are confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy or further distribute this e mail; please notify us by telephone on 020 7224 1717, and delete the e mail from your computer. This e mail has been checked by our anti-virus system before leaving us; we accept no responsibility for the e mail and any attachments once they leave us. www.hitentertainment.com www.bobthebuilder.org ******************************************************************** +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Points of View
by Williams Adam (Mr A) 12 Jul '00

12 Jul '00

Hiya popkids. Well as it's all quiet here and we seem to be allowed to talk utter arse without getting our virtual wrists slapped (and there are sites dedicated to having a virtual wrist slap, or so i am unreliably informed) or sent to bed without jelly (jelly and beds feature heavily on aforementioned sites), I thought I'd throw my tuppence ha'penny into a hat and then throw that into the ring. If anyone has any suggestions what to do with the ring they can keep them to themselves. You too Casarotto. So I thought i'd wink my very bestest leery Ann Robinson wink and begin. A Ms Dastoor wrote in to wail- "Made me laugh like an idiot on the tube. Don't you hate it when idiots laugh at books on the tube?" Well, Madame Nick, it depends what they're reading. I for my part was chattering like a monkey at Grey's Anatomy on the Bakerloo line this very morn. If it's the tube driver reading a book called "How to stop a Tube" i feel a tad concerned. If it's anyone reading Terry Pratchett/Bill Bryson/Helen Fielding, I take a photo of them to offer as mitigation if any GBH charges are levelled at my subsequent actions. Different strokes for different folks, as my masseuse would say, but some people are just plain wrong. Similarly there's been a lot of doodah about libraries again. Ms Dastoor mentioned they get a ton of crap. Well yes, but it's hardly nursing is it? My librarians are lovely though, so i wouldn't abuse any of them. If they're surly they deserve it. I did work in a bookshop for a while and some customers dis seem o expect me to have read every damn book in the shop. ("Have you got any good novels with Victorian workhouses that I can read to my class?" I kid you not.) I mean, obviously i'd read about 86.2% of them, but still. "Can you recommend a good Terry Pratchett?" "No, he's only written shit ones." - oh the fun you can have on your last day! Oh and kids, don't steal books from libraries as some of you were boasting recently. It ain't big or clever and I doubt Stuart would approve. I have stolen from bookshops and then given the books TO libraries because that's the kinda guy I am. This is immensely cool and if each of you did it once this week, the world would be a slightly sunnier place. Dame Martin Rockford wrote that he was "concerned about the state of the American education system. "How shall we teach European history?". We'll show an American film, about an American selling an American product. Very worrying." True enough, Jim. One, Two, Three (fine film in my book) was actually co-written and directed by an Austrian, but I see your point. And Eric Hobsbawm's great if you want to turn an entire generation into mad, cynical lefties. (Which I do, obviously. Although i don't think we'd get away with that in the US of A. Best just keep giving them guns.) But books in schools? you're showing your age dear girl. Or you would be if you'd also mentioned chalk, slate and ritual buggery by the dorm master. And you can witter about Spandau all you like, but after what that Kray twin did framing poor Maffew, I just can't listen to 'em any more. And you know this much is true. Richard newboy Lander spooked me with his comments about A B&S tribute band. Well Dick, I've pipped you to the post by forming one. I won't tell you what we're called as I'm shy of the publicity for reasons I shall explain in thirty interviews next month. But suffice to say we'll be keeping the flame alive, and giving the kids what they want. Obviously we won't actually be playing any gigs or anything vulgar. But we'll be selling shitloads of T shirts.... see you on the other side. a. ps Chris Rea - Rich Arse. Ain't anagrams great? +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Funny goings on. And a picnic.
by Mr Smiley 12 Jul '00

12 Jul '00

Hiya Sinister, Funny things have been going on with animals, for some reason. They've all gone really mad. Maybe it's the lunar cycle, or the impending end of the world. Or the ghost of my great aunt Bessie. I was walking through a field, full of cows. And it was getting dark, and it was cloudy. Anyway, just before the sun set, it broke through the clouds and bathed the field in orange light. At this exact moment, every cow in the field ran off to the other side of the field. It's odd. Cows are supposed to be these big dopey creatures that stand munching grass all day. To see them *gallop* is bizarre. And it annoyed me because I had, of course, gone there to talk to the cows. My brother had been pissing me off, you see. And when something pisses me off I like to go and pay the cows a visit. This causes problems when they've all been slaughtered, of course. It might have looked twee, but I had angry music on my Walkman (because my brother had been pissing me off) and so it just seemed terrifying. And today I was walking back from town having visited the post office to send some tapes, and I was walking through a field, and this little bird started to fly round me in circles, really quite close. Just a metre or two away. I think the animals are trying to tell me something. Oh and I'd like to take this opportunity to say that my boss is a wanker, and I'm just weighing up the pros and cons of telling him this. On a lighter note, you all have to come to the picnic in Sheffield, Endcliffe Park entrance, 2pm. Mail me for more details. I realised that you might have trouble spotting us. Katy D and I are going to try and get there first. So look out for me. I look like a 6 foot tall skinny computer geek. For some reason. Bye, Mike ICQ: 73775341 www.rebelmonkey.freeserve.co.uk PS. I really love the way "doing a Euen" is entering the nation's phrasebook. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Sixty-seven reasons to eat breakfast
by Brian Pennington 12 Jul '00

12 Jul '00

Hello Sinisterines, If anyone can cleverly find all sixty-seven reasons to eat breakfast within this post, I'll give you a lollipop. What I've actually done is written out sixty-seven reasons, then taken all the letters and formed this post with them. So it's sort of like a giant word jumble. Good luck. Someone mentioned the Field Mice...hm...difficult. I mean, it's easy enough to say they're one of the most fantastic bands ever, and lots of B&S fans like them. But whether you should buy a 2xCD set just because we like it...dunno. Why don't you buy Her Handwriting by Trembling Blue Stars, because it's the same main fellow from the Field Mice, and it's one of the best albums ever. Also, it's cheaper than 2xCDs. If you like it, THEN buy Where'd You Learn to Kiss That Way. Plus the title is from a Go-Betweens song, and it doesn't get much better than that. But uh, as one of the biggest Field Mice/Robert Wratten obsessives, I'm 99% certain that 14 Iced Bears were in no way related to he Field Mice. Other than the fact that each put out a record on Sarah Records. In the meantime, ex-listee Magnetic Megan is hard at work assembling binhex colors, templates and other webpagey things for her webzine, which will include an ancient mail interview with Robert Wratten conducted by yours truly. If you're curious about some obscure details, and whether or not he likes Belle & Sebastian. I'll mention when it's up, if Megan is still ex-list. Actually, I don't think Judy Is a Dickslap is Belle & Sebastian's Stereolab knockoff. That would be Sleep the Clock Around, when they play it fast enough (i.e. not on the album, but on the session), which I am very fond of. Personally I have an inverse reaction to Stereolab material as compared with Mr. Mark Casarotto. In other words, I love the past few albums, and I think Peng! could be summed up by the phrase 'bweep bweep bweep blooooooop (repeat ad in finitum).' But McCarthy were fantastic... I don't think I've ever been to Wellesly, sorry to disappoint everyone. Is it in Kentucky? A friend of mine from Kentucky said all the little towns there had a festival of some sort or another in celebration of a food or food product. Apple Butter Festival, Green Beans Bonanza, etc. And yes, Ree, before you ask, I do wear shoes...although I don't have any on right now...hey, I'm still in my pajamas! Yes, so obviously I should go take a shower, so goodbye for now. -- Brian Pennington, aka Mick McMick | cellophanesky(a)mac.com | ICQ# 39021436 Sandcastle Records: <http://www.indiepages.com/sandcastle/> the Cellophane Sky:<http://home.earthlink.net/~cellophanesky/the/index.html> "Better a tear of truth than smiling lies." - Duncan Browne +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Devon knows how they make it so creamy
by Nick.Dastoor＠guardian.co.uk 12 Jul '00

12 Jul '00

> The band played a cover of 'I've Got Something On My Mind' at the Manchester > Town Hall in December 1998. Sorry, meant 1997. Which gives me a chance to say how cross I was at David White's dissing of university library staff. I had to go outside and take a deep breath. They do a VERY DIFFICULT JOB in VERY DIFFICULT CIRCUMSTANCES for VERY LITTLE PAY. It's not all stamping books you know. Good to have Adrian Evans back. I was starting to think he was mindmonkey. Where's chippy eileen? I started 'Billy Liar' again this morning, which I last read when I was 13. It was the best set text that I ever had. Made me laugh like an idiot on the tube. Don't you hate it when idiots laugh at books on the tube? Overheard in the lobby: "Yah, I think he's in Burdeaux." I nearly piped up "Those in the know... choose Bordeaux" in a kind of involuntary reflex. Crackerjack! N. xx +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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