July 2000 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: The ReOooOOonification of Germany
by Peter Miller 08 Jul '00

08 Jul '00

Is there anyone called Adrian Evans on this list? I have something for him from Thailand. Oon has forgotten his e-mail address, the first part of which is emblazoned across my heart - vibrosheep@junglemail - but I don't know how it ends. It's not often things on the list make me angry. Besides, I'm like Chuck D - when I get mad I put it down on a pad - a lightweight moulded shin pad in my case, but I feel I must speak up in doogence of Tony Deefan. It's not fair to harp on about how your favourite band has always done things their own way and then as soon as you don't like something, blame it on someone else, usually the producer. Besides, up until the last album, Tony Doogan was credited for RECORDING the records, not PRODUCING them. Now he is listed as co-producer with Belle and Sebastian themselves. I don't know, but I think it's incorrect to describe him as some kind of dandified technocrat flitting from group to group saying "Hmmm.....strings! I want more strings!" Perhaps he just puts his technical know-how at the service of others and patiently moulds sounds to fit their own delusions, if delusions they are. I personally would like to hear more strings, like on "Silver" by Echo and the Bunnymen. Weren't Pink Floyd produced by Joe Boyd? Wasn't he Nick Drake's producer? Don't we like Nick Drake? That reformed Beatles recording wasn't produced by George Martin, it was produced by Jeff Lynne, that's one of the reasons why it sounds crap. Now I love ELO as much as the rest of you, but that was Sir George's gig, poor old sod. Still, he got his revenge with the "In My Life" LP featuring Sir Tommy Connery and Ace Ventura, Pet Detective. I realise the above argument has more holes in it than Jeff Lynne's remarkable brummie afro hairdo, but I just wanted to say THREE CHEERS FOR TONY DOOGAN. And Bev Bevan, mates with Jasper Carrot. Geezer Butler was mates with Andy Gray. That's why he went to Wolves, because he thought they sounded vaguely satanic. I was mortified at the time, but I'm alright NOooooooOOOoooooow. And on that note, Peter +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Chalupa
by Vicki Rider 08 Jul '00

08 Jul '00

Does anyone know where on the internet I can find a decent-sized picture of the Postcard logo--that little kitty banging the drum? Rachel W. :-) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Election & Starbucks
by tim ellsworth 07 Jul '00

07 Jul '00

Has anyone seen that movie Election with Matthew Brodrick(sp?) and Reese Witherspoon? There is a scene towards the end were the one lesbian girl finds a new partner and they are running and skipping on a bridge and waterfall. The music in the background sounded like Belle and Sebastian although stripped down to just guitar and vocals but I had to find out. After the movie I went through the credits to the song listings and found out it wasn't Belle n Sebastian but some cat named Donovan. This was a while ago and I still have not bought any Donovan albums but I've been meaning to watch Election again. If you have not seen it you should, it's not about lesbians or anything but about a high school election and a teacher cheating on his wife. It is hilarious. On a sadder scale I went with my friends to Starbucks(implying that i just went, not actually buying or drinking any of that rancid stuff)and guess what they were playing?! "Sleep the Clock Around!" for all the trendy, hipster types waxing poetic with all their other trendy counterparts. Nobody even seemed to notice it either until I told my friends that this was Belle and Sebastian. Than some girl told all her friends and they all started buzzing knowing that they should like this song. I hope this was somebodies tape from home, I would hate to think BnS are now on Muzak for all the lost corporate souls to hear and exploit. Well I'm spent for now. Tim ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: who loves the floyd??????
by the original pixidustlady 07 Jul '00

07 Jul '00

good evening to everyone. steven kado and i were having a bit of a DISCUSSION about pink floyd/production values. unfortunately he hasn'y replied to the last email i sent him (hello steve, are you there?) so i thought i'd edit some highlights and get everyones opinions. S.K. said >>>>> "ok. THE FLOYD: are (to me) a bad band. they are the bad band that i always associate with low budget surrealist prints. all that bullshit and bombast makes me ill. so far as i'm concearned pink floyd is whats wrong with radiohead and spritualized and all those bands that go so far to make things GRANDIOSE and then don't fill things up with grandness. to me floyd also stands for a particularily obnoxious style of production. like why do they HAVE to make records sound that way? why? it hurts me...." to which i replied >>>>>> "but the whole thing about radiohead is not supposed to be grandiose. its just complex, like the world and peoples minds, and the reason that (many) people think they're so brilliant is cos they seem to be able to translate some parts of this complex complex world into music that is not only beautiful, but heart-rendingly so. as for over-production, i'm not sure what to say there. there are pros and cons. just look at the differences between tigermilk and fold your hands..... if anything, i think tony doogans production of B&S is not right. it's too perfect, too rounded, too balanced. there aren't enough rough edges. like the bit at the start of tigermilk when you can hear stuart zipping up his cardigan before he starts to sing. thats so nice because its so personal. so in that case, i think tight production is wrong. but for radiohead its different. they're trying to do something totally different to B&S, and i think modern production techniques add to that, heightening the effect of the music or whatever. its silly to think of music in terms of production values. its about individual bands and the individual sounds they are trying to create. thats where production can make or break a band. i could go on at length, and start on my diatribe about the beatles and that release they did a few years ago, i think it was called REAL LOVE (?), when they remodelled abbey road studios to get the right sound (changing things like the pipes in the walls, so that everything was the same as it was in the 60's, thus acheiving a true 'beatles' sound. of course, it sounded awful by modern standards, and not even that similar to stuff they actually did record in the 60's, so, a failure, in theory) sorry. bit of a tangent there. just remembered that this is really about pink floyd. their production was very relevant to what they were trying to do at the time. it was all very experimental. even non-fans have to appreciate the fact that they were pionneers of music technology, even if you dont really like the end results. i guess what i'm trying to say is that i hate to judge everything by todays standards, and that context is so important when interpreting something like music, simply because it can be taken so many ways." so i'm just interested what other sinisterees think of all this kerfuffle, especially my thoughts on tony doogan etc. but i bet i wont get any replies this weekend cos most scottish folk will be at Twho love in the park, which i simply cant afford this summer, bugger bugger bugger. i hate being a poor student. anyway. any listees live in liverpool at all? since i'm moving there in september. autumnal picnics in sefton park might be nice. +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: When will Greg get here?
by Paul Rudolph 07 Jul '00

07 Jul '00

Some things I like about Belle and Sebastian. I just love the part at the end of 'There's Too Much Love' where, behind the strings, you hear the faint vocal harmonies. Fucking brilliant, in my opinion. I also like the drum crashes just before the bridge(s) in the maligned Dirty Dream #2. Stuart's singing is something to listen closely to in this song. Well, pretty much in every song, that is. I liked Pink Floyd when I was in college and was still naive about a lot of music. Later on, I realized that Pink Floyd is pretty tuneless. I can't stand Pink FLoyd. I will give them credit for making the most out of limited melodies, though. Maybe all this is why I think they make childish music. As far as Belle & Sebastian production techniques are concerned... I always order twist ice cream cones instead of all chocolate or all vanilla. This is why I like the new album as much as I do. When friend Greg gets here I'm of to the Phish concert. Paul +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: mojo
by colin thornton 07 Jul '00

07 Jul '00

I'm really disappointed with the review of B&S in the new issue of Mojo magazine. They dislike the album because the title sounds pretentious. Why do reviewers feel the need to judge the condescension of a group based on trivial things like album titles? Can't they just listen to the music and enjoy what there is to offer? Mojo also has issues with the fact that Stuart David took a little bit of techno with him when he left the B&S fold. Didn't Stuart leave us with shitty songs like Chickfactor and Wooskie? How did he become the John Lennon of the group? Besides, I thought Chris and Struan were both into electronica themselves. Anyway... I've been thinking a lot about Struan's distaste for If Your Feeling Sinister. His discomfort with the album's effect has denied us live versions of "Dylan in the Movies" and "Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying", and all the other good tracks. I've noticed that there aren't even any videos from Sinister. I wonder what the big deal is...they are good songs. Wish me luck! I'm auditioning for survivor. If I make the cut then I'll do my best to advertise Belle and Sebastian by humming their tunes in the Australian Outback. Violet Crumbles, Colin ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Northampton?? Calling N/H... Is anybody there....
by Joey . 07 Jul '00

07 Jul '00

Helloooooo everyone... Just a (naughty, slightly abusive) quicky. Is anyone out there resident to the wonderful Northampton?? Just ripping of the pixidustlady a bit there, but when I heard her mention Liverpool, I thought I would ask the same of Northampton, as I am going to college there in September. I always think that Northampton is a bit of a misleading name. Southampton is actually in the south, but not Northampton. No no nooooo!! That's, you know, just slap bang in the middle of the east midlands. Some thing there just doesn't quite add up... ;) ************************************************** **pixidustlady, tony doogan, blar blarrrrrrrrrrr** ************************************************** I kinda agree, yes :) [Not a very strong opinion today, as you could prolly tell from that riveting comment there!! ;)] But I must say, seeing as she mentioned how nice the sound of Stu M's cardy is, that there is this nice Stu M noise on Fishyclaps. It's not the same thing at all though. In fact it is completely different... but... *blush*... It's still nice... :) At the beginning of "Chalet Lines" listen carefully. You can hear Stu's "mouth". Yes, his mouth! Hurray!! Just listen carefully! His mouth is like, just a wee bit dry maybe. You can hear it open. It's fab! Please someone verify this, so everyone does't think i am nut's!! Have a nice weekend everyone!! Take Care, Lot's of Love, Jo x ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: life during wartime
by tim ellsworth 07 Jul '00

07 Jul '00

first off i just want to say that i feel like a hypocrite for bashing corporations like starbucks because i work at a certain corporate bookstore that sells starbucks coffee. actually the last job before that was another corporate grocery store and we sold starbucks coffee and there was an actual starbucks nextdoor! it is literally everywhere and you have to go to either campbell or los gatos to even see an independent coffee shop, not counting the mattise(sp?) downtown. i don't know why i care, i don't like coffee much(except coffee icecream) and i usually get ice tea. but i feel like a chump because i myself feel like a corporate soul. the only reassurance i get is that i do absolutely nothing except read and talk to my fellow employees while occasionally going into the music section and recommending cds by 80's hair metal mullet bands like ratt and motley crue. i've tried stereolab and papa m but people just think they have funny names and my staff takes them down so they can recommend eric clapton or fear factory, once even the mortal kombat soundtrack. eric clapton isn't too bad but does he need a rec? last night i pitched this album called montrose which is supposed to have david lee roth or sammy hagar in it but everyone just laughed. i guess that is good because i don't know what i would do if someone actually bought that shite, after all it is just a joke. i'm waiting for some nut with a mullet, oakleys, and a sleeveless journey shirt to come in and say something like, "montrose?! far out man i been lookin' for this baby for years!" that would make my day/career. in closing i have to pull another late shift tonight making me miss my friends birthday, which is bad because she is sweet and genuinly nice which is not a quality i have found in a lot of girls my age these days. i can't complain too much as i've had this whole week off and i did see her on the 4th of july. p.s. if any of you want to see funny pictures of people with mullets i suggest going to mulletsgalore.com it's hilarious! in no time you'll be using the word mulletude(i hope) tim ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: life during wartime
by tim ellsworth 07 Jul '00

07 Jul '00

first off i just want to say that i feel like a hypocrite for bashing corporations like starbucks because i work at a certain corporate bookstore that sells starbucks coffee. actually the last job before that was another corporate grocery store and we sold starbucks coffee and there was an actual starbucks nextdoor! it is literally everywhere and you have to go to either campbell or los gatos to even see an independent coffee shop, not counting the mattise(sp?) downtown. i don't know why i care, i don't like coffee much(except coffee icecream) and i usually get ice tea. but i feel like a chump because i myself feel like a corporate soul. the only reassurance i get is that i do absolutely nothing except read and talk to my fellow employees while occasionally going into the music section and recommending cds by 80's hair metal mullet bands like ratt and motley crue. i've tried stereolab and papa m but people just think they have funny names and my staff takes them down so they can recommend eric clapton or fear factory, once even the mortal kombat soundtrack. eric clapton isn't too bad but does he need a rec? last night i pitched this album called montrose which is supposed to have david lee roth or sammy hagar in it but everyone just laughed. i guess that is good because i don't know what i would do if someone actually bought that shite, after all it is just a joke. i'm waiting for some nut with a mullet, oakleys, and a sleeveless journey shirt to come in and say something like, "montrose?! far out man i been lookin' for this baby for years!" that would make my day/career. in closing i have to pull another late shift tonight making me miss my friends birthday, which is bad because she is sweet and genuinly nice which is not a quality i have found in a lot of girls my age these days. i can't complain too much as i've had this whole week off and i did see her on the 4th of july. p.s. if any of you want to see funny pictures of people with mullets i suggest going to mulletsgalore.com it's hilarious! in no time you'll be using the word mulletude(i hope) tim ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Eine kleine lift muzak
by Lucy Alder 07 Jul '00

07 Jul '00

Darlings, I'm back and it feels good. I went to Oireland last weekend for the first time in moy loyfe (Irish people, Im sorry. Ill stop it now) and it was lovely. That is, apart from the fact that Ballina, County Mayo welcomed me with the mother of all thunderstorms, a power cut, no hot water and the phone lines down. How on earth was I going to make myself lovely for my friend's wedding the next day? Fear not, I did not skank about with flies buzzing atop my head a la Pigpen - by one o'clock on Saturday I'd found a hot shower (my B&B still had a blackout, not that it was dark, but you know what I mean) and I even painted my nails, before stepping inside a church for the second time in a week (both for weddings, but blimey!) then stuffing my face with good food and bouze, climbing on a castle roof in my three-and-a-half-inch heels and then getting caught by the owner of the castle while up to no good in the cellar*. I also danced like a mad thing and, for a change, watched other people falling over on their arses. Later on, I got into a conversation about weirdo internet communities, so naturally I mentioned that I was on Sinister. The person I was talking to furrowed her brow, then raised her eyebrows, then just looked a bit puzzled. Arent Belle & Sebastian a bit gothy? she enquired. Oh dear. Did somebody mention deja vu? Systa Disko spake of the Cutter, which reminded me that I heard it while awaiting the arrival of the significantly delayed Ryan Air flight 803 into Knock so I could take the significantly delayed Ryan Air flight 804 back to Lunding. I also heard Elliott Smith when I went into Dunnes Store to buy some socks. Somebody has been doing rather a good job of choosing muzak, rather like those cock-sucking corporate coffee whores at Starbucks. Tim Ellsworth, you aren't the first to hear B&S whilst downing your mocha (see archives). Sightings (or rather soundings) of everyone's favourite scottish seven-piece on their compilation tapes in various cities would suggest it's all a part of Company Policy or something. But are royalties being paid here? Have they SOLD OUT? Did somebody mention deja vu? Incidentally, the best muzak I ever heard was in Standa in Milan, where they played a pan pipe version of Spice Up Your Life. Yes, really. Heather Humble, who has a great name, wrote about somebody (a journalist?) saying that FISHYCLAP is one of her essentials for the beach. It's funny, I've never thought of B&S as the sort of thing I'd choose to accompany me on a week sun, sea, sand and, er, sweat. I feel it belongs in more temperate climes. Blue skies dotted with cotton wool clouds and leafy trees, rather than dazzling mediterranean light and cicadas. Another funny thing is that, while I associate most music with certain times of year (try the first two Suede albums on a rainy November night with your room lit only by the orange streetlamp outside your window, or maybe that's just disgracefully pretentious), B&S really seems to be a band for all seasons. Even Fox in the Snow sounds OK in July. Especially if you live somewhere mountainous and antipodean of course, but you know what I mean. Don't you? Paul Arathoon, a while ago, you wrote a lengthy opening sentence to your post, which was lovely, but if you reckon youve written the longest this year, go check out anything the Pinefox has ever posted. He takes some beating, yknow. That's all folks! Juicy Lucy ps. you are Stephen Trousse and I claim my five pounds pps. hello to Tamy, who would earn a crush vote from me, if I had more than one *pulling flowers out of flower arrangements actually, you dirty-minded little buggers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the undead Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "tech-heads and students" +-+ +-+ "the cardie wearing biscuit nibbling belle & sebastian list" +-+ +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "peculiarly deranged fanbase" "frighteningly named +-+ +-+ Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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