September 2001 - Sinister

Sinister: Sympathies
by Gardiner, Stuart 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

I'm not sure if I'll end up pressing 'send' or not, but here goes... I just wanted to add another voice of sympathy for those who've lost loved ones in the States yesterday. It's been such a frightening day - not one person is talking about anything else, and we're thousands of miles away on a different continent. In Britain we've been living with this sort of thing for thirty years (although not on the same scale), so we've got a good idea of how it feels. I've heard it described as the most significant day since Princess Diana died, which I think is fucking stupid, that was just four deaths. It's more worrying that noone has the faintest idea who was behind it all (apart from the usual racist knee-jerk accusations); 80% of the world's population seems to detest America, and it's scary to think that this could happen again. But please, let's not have any talk at all of revenge, that's the kind of attitude which caused all this in the first place. There must be people reading this who have lost people they know. I'm sure the last thing on your mind right now is writing to a music list, but just know that we're thinking of you. And in case anybody out there still thinks this doesn't affect them, well, I find it almost inconceivable that in a tragedy on this scale noone from Sinister would have been killed. Kirsten, our thoughts are with you. Big Stu +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: sorrow 2
by ulla 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

i just noticed that the mail i sent yesterday at 2pm has arrived few minutes ago. it doesn't change much. actually it doesn't change anything at all. i'm still walking around, tears in my eyes. disbelieving, terror in my heart. am i being very selfish if i say i'm glad that everyone i know in america, including all sinsiter type people are alright? i hope not. still love you. like so. yours, ulla. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Sinister: Is it War?
by Jeff Burke 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

I hate these people that did this. I hate them for killing. I hate them for making me feel hate...and anger..and disgust. I'm in boston where apparently two planes were hijacked one of them crashed into the second tower. I've gone through the mental panic of going through all my friends and loved ones trying to recall if any of them were going to LA or flying out of Logan at all today or this week or this month... I hate not knowing.. I know i'm not very twee....I don't like courdoroy, or plaid and i like heavier music like Rodan and June of '44 as well as beautiful music like B&S. and now I feel hurt and hate and disgust at being a human. Even if the buildings had been completely empty this would have bothered me terribly. There's a thin veneer on all of us that keeps us civilized. I know people look at the WTC and see greed and corruption and capitalism and oppression but acknowledging those things I still always see civilization, common achievment and pride. Not some jingoistic nationalism, I've felt the same in London and Edinburgh and Montreal other cities...it's this ability to live together and hold up civilization and prevent us for being atavistic base mammals. I'm sorry. i don't post very often and i know you probably don't care about my emotional turmoil. but a spleen venting was needed. I hope you all are safe cause there's really no security right now. jeff. >From: "Brier Random" <brier(a)flavia.com> >Reply-To: "Brier Random" <brier(a)flavia.com> >To: "Sinister" <sinister(a)missprint.org> >Subject: Sinister: Is it War? >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:05:26 -0700 > >Feels like it. Waiting for the next blow, not knowing where or when... >things are quiet on the west coast so far. > >My friend who lives in the shadow of the Towers stood on her fire escape >and >watched the 2nd plane slam into the building, and watched both towers >crumble. > >Panic of possible bio-chemicals is the talk of the city now. Unconfirmed >though. > >I was dreaming about Woody Allen this morning, as this was happening. Then >I woke up to the ringing phone, and all this. > >All those lives. And that skyline, never ever the same again. > > >Love to you all, and everyone hit by this. > > > > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ > To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe > send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to > majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister > +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ > +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ > +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ > +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ > +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ > +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: portland show!!!
by Carmel Petra Wright 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

I just got back from the show in portland and oh my goodness, it was amazing! It was my first live experience with them and i'm soooooo glad i have tix for 2 more shows. Stuart, of course, didn't ignore the fact that our country suffered a great tragedy today. He said, "it's such a fucking waste"...basically that all this is happening. So, in a great gesture, they played "Turn turn turn" first...it was absolutely perfect. Here's the setlist (which i don't know the names of a couple songs, sorry!): Turn Turn Turn Sleep the clock around "I'm feelin' fine" (?)--don't know name If you're feeling sinister (yay!) Wandering Days (Dedicated to Quasi :) Jonathan David--poor Stevie's voice was cracking on the high notes Don't leave the light on baby The Model Portland, OR (specially written for us by Stevie--it was awesome) what i think is Simple Things--i dont' have boy with the arab strap yet, so i am not sure The Boy with the arab strap We rule the skool Family Tree The state i am in Dog on Wheels Wrong Girl There's too much love Legal Man (damn this was awesome) I am everyday people--you know what i'm talking about, yes? 19 songs! people were screaming long after that though. I also discovered that I DO NOT like sitting for them. I had a great seat in the balcony where i could enjoy a beer and watch them, but it was loud and you couldn't dance becasue everyone was sitting. if i saw any sinister people, i didn't know it. I hope everyone had as good of a time as i did! See those of you who are goign in Seattle and Olympia!!! Carmel ===== "please turn out the light i get a sick confusion headache trying to figure out who's right" *****Heatmiser***** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: it's all been said before
by Lawrence Mikkelsen 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

today started off well. the first piece of news I heard today was the announcement of the new B&S single ...... hooray, I though. but then, of course, the other news. I just don't know what to say or think, but I guess firstly I'd like to say how much I love the B&S Sinister community. everyone has been so good, so nice, so supportive, and it's great. take a look at Morrissey-solo.com for a bunch of "we hate Muslims"-type comments. which is a little premature, given no one knows who did it yet. might be American para-military a la Timothy McVeigh for all we know. anyway, this list has been so different, and your posts have warmed my heart. it's weird, living in a country at the bottom of the southern hemisphere of no strategic importance to anyone. it's just all feels so unreal. despite all this, I am happy because Rachel, my friend from DC, lives nowhere near the pentagon. shit, i really don't know what to say. to the American listees, I guess I just have to say hang in there. despite the occasional anti-US thing that rears it head here every now and then, we're with you. I've just been talking to my dad about all this. He's Danish, and was in the Danish army when JFK was killed in the 60's. all the leave was cancelled, and all of his unit had to sit tight in a bunker underneath the base with their weapons loaded, waiting for the nuclear bombs to fall from the sky as WWIII ignited. I guess that's how I feel today ....... (apart from the bit about the guns) OK, have to go now. I have nothing to add, really, just wanted to say that here in New Zealand, everyone is feeling for you. the Catholic churches in all the major cites are saying mass for you, for what it's worth. hoping tomorrow will be a brighter day ...... Lawrence (unusually lost for words) +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Red Cross donations
by Chris Butler 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

For anyone interested in donating, the Red Cross is accepting money via Amazon's online 'honor code' system. Amazon has dropped any charges related to the use of their system... http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/paypage/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/ Apologies for the 2nd post to the list - I figure it merits it... senor droolcup +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Where do we go from here?
by Todd Johnson 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Hey-o People of the Sinister Mailing List, And so a day occured that was tragic enough, it finally woke up the inhabitants of earth. September 11th, a day where hate consumed the world. It began with the senseless and hatefull acts of terrorism, and now Americans and others desire revenge for their loss, and their grief, and their pain. Although this reaction is innate, it won't end the hate and suffering. Not all feel this way, but i think that there are a great deal of citizen who think revenge is necessary. Ideas of revenge in our hearts will only cause and develope more hate. The only thing we need to encourage in the world is love!!! and peace!!! "Peace cannot be reached through force, it can only be attained through understanding" says Einstein. Where is John Lennon when you need his this inspiration the most, all this world needs is love. Hate started this painful day and hate will end us all. I only hope that the people with authority understand this and that stupid decisions aren't made. Everyone take care and keep breathing. -Love, Benjamin October Clyde ===== -Sir Benjamin October Cylde __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: thinking of you
by Rebecka popgirl 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

i couldn't sleep last night..was worried about my friends in us luckily i heard some from them..but still I worrie ... I wish i could give all the people affecten by this a hug..love is all we need now not war.. hmm i'm messed and confused and afraid of airplanes.. my friend just went top nY too..but he's back hoem again...geez /rebecka in sweden _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: Re: sinister-digest V4 #588
by RAnder3567＠aol.com 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

In a message dated 9/11/01 10:27:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-sinister-digest(a)missprint.org writes: << I wonder if the emotion they were feeling when they flew the plane into the Trade Center is like the emotion I have experienced while in love. >> For your sake, I hope not. Robert in NYC +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Sinister: And yet again.
by Azzie 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

What a time for an introduction to the list. I've been lurking shamelessly for around five months (and must confess I adore all the mails), and haven't said a thing 'till now. I suppose I need an outlet at the moment. This has been a horrible day for everyone. And here I add to the wave of depressing mails, from yet another point of view; my own. I found out by way of an intercom message in school that the WTC had been hit by a plane. We're in Florida, and so there have been no vigils, silences, or speeches. French teacher doesn't give a goddamn and keeps us up with vocabulary. Kids are joking. All 17-18 years old and thought to be mature enough to handle situations in a respectful, compassionate manner. They're enjoying the idea of clouds of smoke from the destroyed towers as hilarious as a scene from a video game. I don't care if it's an example of American youth on a whole or not, but it certainly is in the pristine-upper-middle-class-suburbs of good old Central Florida. Because of this, I don't think it's anything large-scale at the time-- a small plane knocking off a chunk of rubble from one of the towers perhaps, and so I go to my next class. As said, I can't comprehend kids laughing and carrying on about a loss of life in the greater numbers. The TV is on in my fourth-period class-- I can see a large, dark plane flying straight and low into the line of symmetry with the towers, smashing into the side and disappearing, exploding. It's unreal; it's imaginary. I start to cry. My classmates look at me as if I'm crazy-- I don't give a damn. People will come in tomorrow, bragging in a very suburban-privileged-male fashion about their new car stereos, and their new bench-press weight, and school will go on as normal, but with a hokey one minute of silence, though I'm in the gym in the morning, and won't be able to see it. It's horror to think of young adult Americans not understanding loss and thinking themselves above human emotion, such as grief and sadness. God forbid you be laughed at for showing any. I huddle with two good friends and start wailing, I can't control it and don 't wish to, they join with me as the first tower comes down. It's the most bizarre, unbelievable, horrific thing I've witnessed in my life. I not caring most about family who live around the area, I don't care what special reasons I have for tears; I'm disillusioned. I'm thinking of the sheer terror of it all, the lives lost, and, frankly, I don't think I need to justify this. People are hurling themselves from the windows for a hopefully quicker death, holding each other's hands, breathing in and jumping, knowing they're about to die; people waiting for the collapse; the plane smashing through steel and concrete, all passengers now dead-- all from unidentified, inhuman men threatening with knives. People are waving shirts out of windows in hope of rescue which won't come. They'll most likely be gone minutes later. The largest symbol of commerce, and NYC, and human achievement have been demolished, imploding to an ever-billowing cloud of mess and smoke, like a terrible snowstorm, fogging glasses to as far as New Jersey. The Pentagon is not a pentagon anymore, a gaping hole where it's said-to-be impenetrable side once was. The fires are still roaring. Groups of Palestinians are whooping and hollering in the streets and passing out candy. For, God knows, the reward to those who wage the eternal war must be unimaginably grand. While in America, thousands of children have lost parents. Parents have lost children. People have lost friends, husbands, wives, siblings, neighbors. I grew up several blocks from the WTC, it is a mark of my childhood. I've been there every day for years, adored the sheer size of it and its perfection, never imagining this would happen. I can't cry anymore. It doesn't seem real. I'm saddened for humanity. My day was a blur; I'm shaken. I will never see the world through the same eyes. Life has changed as we know it. I hope all you and yours are safe. Please don't lose hope for the country! Take care, keep strong, and may God (or whomever does control fate) be with you all. -Love and etc, Azzie http://www.livejournal.com/users/azzie/ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Brought to you by the Sinister mailing list +---+ To send to the list mail sinister(a)missprint.org. To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe sinister" or "unsubscribe sinister-digest" to majordomo(a)missprint.org. WWW: http://www.missprint.org/sinister +-+ "sinsietr is a bit freaky" - stuart david, looper +-+ +-+ "legion of bedroom saddo devotees" "peculiarly deranged fanbase" +-+ +-+ "pasty-faced vegan geeks... and we LOST!" - NME April 2000 +-+ +-+ "frighteningly named Sinister List organisation" - NME May 2000 +-+ +-+ "sick posse of f**ked in the head psycho-fans" - NME June 2001 +-+ +-+ Nee, nee mun pish, chan pai dee kwa +-+ +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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