On a deeply trivial but nonetheless B&S-related side issue: someone
said that Stuart Murdoch is 24. Was he a boy genius (which is
eminently possible), as I've been told he was at Glasgow University
in 1989?
[Keith Watson]
As far as I'm aware, he's a lot older than that - it says on the back of Tigermilk that he's a lot older than he looks, Chris has also stated in interviews that he's a lot older than the rest of them.
Cheers,
Keith.
ps: Nathan- tried to mail you this morning, have Edinburgh Uni gone and cancelled your account, as the mail bounced, anyway, mail me at keith(a)qss.co.uk
(Nathan and I met in the pub last night - a sort of "virtual cyber friends meeting", if anyone else from the list in the Glasgow/Edinburgh area fancies a night out, post on the list and we'll have a meeting, perhaps we could go to the Grosvenor Cafe in Ashton lane - and be just like the sad old kids that go on the Smiths tour of Manchester, signing their names on the Salford Lads club...
Alternatively, we could go to the pub.
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I agree that the version of The State I'm In on the Dog on Wheels EP
is, er, somewhat lacklustre.
And I would love to hear B&S cover Josef K's Sorry for Laughing (from
The Only Fun in Town) and Consolation Prize by Orange Juice.
On a deeply trivial but nonetheless B&S-related side issue: someone
said that Stuart Murdoch is 24. Was he a boy genius (which is
eminently possible), as I've been told he was at Glasgow University
in 1989?
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Hello everybody,
Here's a very rough and ready review of our heroes in Barcelona:
ARE BELLE AND SEBASTIAN NECESSARY ON A BICYCLE?
The beautiful old square was packed to the rafters, except there weren't
any rafters because it was an open air concert. People were precariously
perched on the gargoyles instead. These gargoyles were apparently used
in the Middle Ages to pour boiling oil on unruly Jethro Tull fans. In
spite of being surrounded by other pop attractions, including Primal
Scream, people seemed only too happy to stand around packed like sailors
in a leaking submarine to see Belle and Sebastian strut their funky
stuff.
They leapt straight into "Tigermilk" at which point we buggered off for
a drink. Pop salvation is one thing, dehydration is another. When we got
back it was obvious they were getting a bit shirty due to malfunctioning
monitors and the egg-bound sound of some of the rented instruments. The
monitor man, bless him, was a distant cousin of Manuel from Fawlty
Towers. Say no more.
It all went by so fast I can't really remember the set list, most of
which I didn't recognise anyway. They did "Dylan in the Movies", which
has always been one of my least favourite songs because it reminds me
of...well, Dylan in the movies, namely the terrible film....whoops,
can't find my Dylanology books...I think it's called "Streets of Fire"
or something equally ludicrous. But I digress. The song is much better
live than on record, rollicking and celebratory. Next came a new song,
"Wash Your Feet in the Sea", and then "Get Me Away From Here, I'm
Dying", one of my all time favourites because it's so joyously apparent
that the singer ISN'T dying at all. Up until now I've had my
reservations about Belle and Sebastian, but now I can put my hand on my
heart and say that they are as good as Orange Juice, my own teenage
obsession, the band I didn't want to share with anybody, the band that
taught me it was okay to feel things. I like to think B&S are fulfilling
that purpose for a growing number of lost sheep. The meek SHALL inherit
the earth after all. Giving eskimo kisses to torturers' assistants,
tickling the feet of international business men. In short, spreading
love where love doesn't want to go.
Isobel was dressed in a very fetching AC/DC school uniform, but sadly
she didn't attempt the Angus Young Hoppity Skippity Funny Walk with her
cello. The keyboard player (Chris?) was tinkling away merrily behind his
Rick Wakeman bank of vintage keyboards. He was wearing a jumper supplied
by the Lenny Godber Gentleman's Fashion Boutique in West Bromwich, now
sadly demolished to make way for Spaghetti Junction. Stuart Murdoch
looked very smart in his Sunday School trousers and sensible sandals.
At one point the drummer was called upon to mark the re-release of the
Led Zep back catologue with an impromptu drum solo. It sounded like The
Mighty Thor parking his mini in a crowded Safeways car park. Then the
rest of the band joined in, rocking out as if they were possessed of
several devils, Stewpot grinning like a kid who's just been invited to
provide handclaps for the Bay City Rollers' new single on "Jim'll Fix
It". The cello was groaning like a hump-backed whale in the final stages
of labour. It sounded like a cross between My Bloody Valentine and Miles
Davis' band in the early seventies. Rented amps were turned up to
eleven; someone had to take the back off the Wurlitzer piano and pour
some water in it, otherwise we might have had the first pop-induced
inferno since Brian Wilson abandoned "Smile".
Oh, and Stuart laughed just after starting a very tender piano ballad.
Whatever would Elton say?
I can now clear up the mystery of the prolonged instrument changes. On
some songs a laughable little xylophone is featured. It looks like
no-one is willing to play it for more than one song (hardly surprising),
so they have to keep changing round. A bit like when you're playing
football with your mates and nobody wants to be goalie.
Can't think of anything else to say. Thanks to all concerned for making
a wonderful weekend possible. It really was like "Jim'll Fix It", and
you can't say fairer than that now, can you?
Peter
back down to earth with a bump!
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Why is everyone going on about Dub versions of Tigermilk?
Is this some kind of remix, perhaps heralding the band's new direction?
[Keith Watson]
Yes - there's an On-U sound "yabba yabba" mix coming out in place of the real album, it comes free with some "stuff" in a sealed envelope.
Presuming Dub is an American term for copy, just out of interest, to the Americans out there, what's your term for the sort of music that Lee Perry makes?
Keith.
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I'm another listee from France.
I've heard of B&S when they opened for Tindersticks in a concert at the ICA in London. I was not there, but as I am a big fa of Tindersticks, I decided to purchase B&S If you're feeling sinister album. I was in England at that time, so I had no problem in finding it at HMV.
B&S EPs are available as import in France. Sinister LP has been officially released recently. They are promoted by a national radio (France Inter) and the major record store company (FNAC).
BTW, they are supposed to perform a live session for this radio in early 98, before the release of the next album.
Eric
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Is this relevant or not? Thought people might be interested in how
membership of this list currently breaks down: shows how The Gospel is
spreading across the world. Here it is:
Number of people Domain
86 US Commercial
63 United Kingdom
35 US Educational
26 Network (could mean anywhere)
9 France
4 Sweden
4 Australia
3 US Organization
3 Greece
2 Netherlands
2 Spain
2 Germany
2 Brazil
1 United States of America (i.e. "other" US)
1 Thailand
1 New Zealand
1 Norway
1 Japan
1 Iceland
1 Ireland
1 Canada
This is for both the list and the digest.
Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these
countries, and how did people hear about them?
Tell Paul to shut up if no-one's interested.
Paul
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The problem with the bootleg argument seems solely set on one point,
"Are Belle and Sebastian intending to re-release Tigermilk?". Sadly the
only people that honestly know the answer are the band and they're not
letting on.
I think that this has more to do with the fact that they may not want
old material to clash with new material. Especially as their new
material is so good. It's hypocritical, but even though I desperately
want Tigermilk re-issued, I don't want to slow down the recording or
release schedule of new material. This would inevitably happen if
Tigermilk were released again.
And surely even in the states where Tigermilk was never released you'd
still like to see the first major release on a new label to be new
material, even in the form of the singles album plus additional tracks
like 'modern rock song'.
Ah, it's an impossible debate, we are all protective of them and we all
want Tigermilk re-issued, and there'll never be such thing as a quiet
re-issue of it.
What are we to do, eh?
David
(my opinions do NOT reflect or come from Jeepster, please don't mingle
them, the Jeepster opinion is from Mark Jones and my girlfriend's - and
we bicker enough already!)
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In a message dated 97-09-23 14:32:10 EDT
<< >Someone tell me - can you *get* Belle and Sebastian material in all these
>countries, and how did people hear about them? >>
Rolling Stone on America OnLine had a standout review of Sinister, providing
a few sound samples. A few weeks later, after searching in recordstore after
recordstore, I finally found a copy. But it's terribly unfair that the new
e.p.'s haven't been released here in the U.S. They're not even in the import
shops. It's very frustrating to not be able to find your favorite music. I
thought about ordering them directly from Jeepster, but I'm not even sure
that's possible. I can't even find their address (not printed on the us
edition of Sinister). (sigh).
yummycats
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I have to agree with what seems to be shaping up as the majority opinion on
the "bootleg" issue. I have just heard a tape of Tigermilk and it is lovely
-- I like the acoustic feel of some of the songs, and the simplicity I guess
I'd call it, compared to ... Sinister. However, dub quality is usually less
than wonderful, and it would be great to have a cleaner copy. I read the
first mailing about putting Tigermilk on CD not as a bootlegging venture, but
as a way to exchange copies (as is being done on tape) in a cleaner, more
listener-friendly format. In any event, if the band does not intend to
re-release the album then they would not be losing any money at all if people
are exchanging (or even selling) CD copies. I would hazard a guess that most
people who might purchase a "bootleg" copy would indeed buy any eventual
re-release as well. Especially if it had an added track, as is suggested
elsewhere. Look at all the people who buy both the vinyl and CD of releases
by bands they like -- do bands release on vinyl expecting that it is going to
other than a collectors item for most people? It's a marketing decision
because people will buy the vinyl AND the CD.
I would never buy a bootleg version of a regularly released album -- but
there are bootlegs I will buy if that is the only way to get the material. I
would much prefer that the artist get the money him/her self, but if the
artist has made the choice to pass on making that money... I don't feel
wonderful about it, but my curiousity usually gets the best of me.
Let's all just beg B&S to re-release Tigermilk and end this whole debate.
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"Before a cyber-brawl breaks out, please let me explain myself...
I did not, nor would I ever, call Jason Scumbag a Spaceman. I like his
band..."
I do this all the time during meetings. Once, I meant to tell my boss that
she had a good idea, but for some reason I blurted out that she had great
legs.
B&S tie in... let me think... oh yeah, another time I was explaining how
wonderful the band is to a coworker, and I told her my favorite song was
'Dog in Heels'. I almost corrected myself immediately but then I looked
down and, yep, this lady was wearing high heels. Argh!
-Clint
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