So I got a dub of Tigermilk yesterday (Thanks Pam! Now I need to find a
suitable gift in return..) and it's really wonderful. I really like the
pop-iness of it all, and it's range of styles is a bit tyongue-in-cheek,
methinks.
The most incredible thing about it, though, is how much the band has
matured in just a year or so. Sinister is so much fuller in terms of
songwriting...but I digress. It's so cool to see all
these overt influences on the first album...holy Velvets!
It also seems that the band took several songs from Tigermilk and reworked
them into new tracks for Sinister. I heard at least 3 or 4 riffs which they
have used again. Thoughts?
Your ramblingly,
Alex
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I don't trust bootleggers. The last time I bought one it was Neil Young
and Booker T and the MGs. Not only was the sound quality terrible, but
they didn't do "Green Onions" or that one from Test Match Special
either. A proper rip off. It came from Italy.
Someone mentioned demand and supply. By holding onto the Tigermilk tapes
for a bit longer, the band will probably benefit from increased exposure
and therefore increased demand. Business is business. Besides which,
it's a good laugh. If the band were real scumbags, they could release it
in a limited edition format at a ludicrously high price, like Ladies and
Gentlemen, We Are Floating in Space in a special pill poppers packet.
By the way, the other day a boy called Valeri wrote in asking about
Tigermilk and it turns out that I was the only one who answered.
(Perhaps he says that to all the girls!) My tape copy of TM sounds like
shit, so if anyone would be kind enough to send him a copy he'd be very
happy. He seems like a nice boy, even if he has got a girl's name. if
you've tossed his letter down the cyber-toilet, you can find it at the
endlessly gratifying archive.(Click below)
01 811 8055 - if you recognise that number, don't go to the classic
children's TV site, accessible from one of the B&S tribute sites (I've
been surfing for the first time since we got the first phone bill). It's
like an irresistible vortex of nostalgia from which there is no escape.
Would someone in London like to ring that number and see if anyone
answers? No, thought not.
Shut up.
Peter
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I would just like to say I totally agree with Mr Turner's opinion on this
issue. You have my support!
I'll take this chance to say something else; if there's any of you on the
list who'd like to become my B&S-penpal, that would be cool! E-mail me....
Oh yeah, are there any other Dutchies on this list? We could perhaps have a
meeting in Amsterdam....
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OK, I'm back from France. Those of you who don't know why I'm telling you
this, I am the "Mr Mitchell" who runs this list ("Paul" to anyone who can
swear in three languages) and I've been on hols. And there are plenty of
you newcomers, so welcome one and all. Anyway I'm back and slightly
surprised that the list has kept going, archiving, digesting and generally
chewing in my absence. Maybe I'm dispensable.
In fact I nearly logged in from a cyber-cafe near Quimper to check things
were OK, but decided I couldn't risk the high sad-old-git factor.
Talking of S.O.G.'s, I'm glad David Kitchen stepped in and made his comments
about the John Peel thread. Fully support his comments and those of others
in favour of a bit more niceness. Please see my WWW page if you haven't and
the tiny minority stop being rude to each other: I will have to step in if
anyone gets nasty. I reckon we owe our friends the other side of the water
about 15 B&S-irrelevant messages to catch up, especially after their valiant
contributions about the US appearances.
I've been a teensy bit stung by the strong and varying opinions on the
relevant/tangential nature of postings to this list, so I will be as a tiny
mouse with a sore throat until lots of people tell me they don't like what's
being posted. As I said before, I don't intend to do any censoring (and
haven't), just go with the majority view. Right now the list is a damn good
read (for me anyway).
So if anyone's got any problems with the list, or just wants to tell me how
good/crap it is, just mail me privately.
Some other random comments from what's been going on (couple more follow-ups
to come):
o Andrew (Dean): messages that went to the list but never
made the archive: hmm, I was kind of waiting for someone to say
that. The way the archive gets constructed was bashed together
by me as if with sellotape in an excited rush so I'll revisit it.
If anyone else notices this, could they mail me *privately* with
a copy of the message that didn't make it.
o Keith (Watson): what's all this about "book-lined graves?". Intrigued
but clueless.
o Has anyone seen mention of any of our sites/lists in the press? Would
be interested to see if we ever get a mention. In fact a bit nervous -
when The Guardian mentioned the best Teletubbies site it was closed
down within 24 hours because of a ridiculous increase in the number
of accesses...
o Sexuality/gender - ambiguity in sexual orientation in lyrics can get a
bit... hmm I suppose obvious to these ears, viz Morrisey in the latter
days - seems to sometimes just become a game. I think the really nice
thing about B&S is that it's *gender* too, e.g. "You know the world was
meant for men, not us". One of my favourite lines.
o Why doesn't the list administrator like the band fronted by Mark Knopfler
someone asked? Hmm I'll leave the answer to that one to the FAQ...
o clv: yes, they are.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that running this mailing list is still a joy.
So thanks to all of you for your continued support and enthusiam. Getting
back from a wonderful holiday with only a bottle of extra strong Calvados
from a farm and a broken Peugeot to show for it, the only thing that could
save the sombre mood was reading through two weeks' worth of messages and
once again tasting the weight of feeling for this wonderful music. That and
the fact that they're repeating The Sweeney on Channel 5. "Get yuh clothes
on love, you're nicked" as my girlfriend would say.
Paul
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Let's not forget that home taping is illegal too, boys and girls. The argument here seems to be that it's ok for a few fans to swap tapes, but not ok for Tigermilk to reach a larger audience via bootlegged cds. This seems to me to be somewhat hypocritical, and also rather naive. I don't know what the group's reasons for not wanting to re-release Tigermilk are, but it's a simple question of supply and demand. As they get more popular, greater will become the demand for the lp, and inevitably bootlegs will appear - there's money to be made, after all. That money should go to the band, I'm sure we're all agreed, but, denied the opportunity to buy the record legitimately, I can't see too many fans wrestling with their consciences if the opportunity to buy a quality bootleg cd were offered to them. I'd personally have no problem with this (I do own a reasonably well dubbed tape, by the way), although, I might add, that I would also buy an official lp, were it to be subsequently released.
David Kitchen said that by stopping bootlegging, they [Jeepster?] are trying to protect both us (the fans) and the band. I could agree with this if the record was now or in the near future to be made officially available, but since Belle & Sebastian "continuously express an interest in NOT releasing Tigermilk again in the UK and only a mild interest in the US option", then somebody please explain how our interests are being protected. By not making Tigermilk available, the band are denying this great music to their audience, and denying themselves the financial rewards they so richly deserve. The presence or otherwise of bootlegs makes no difference to this equation (unless we are not being told the whole story). I guess it could even be argued that in this situation, bootleg copies of the record might actually further the lp's reputation, as this is the only means by which most people can hear it. Not that I am condoning the production of bootlegs, you understand.....
Nigel
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Hey check out Matt's updated Shinkansen website:
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~shink/news.htm#bs
What he says about B&S is quite amusing. (He probably hasn't heard Tigermilk yet. Perhaps, he should buy one of those European bootlegs. How much are they going for anyhow?)
Matt N.
PS
I think it's appalling that you folks from Jeepster don't complain about copies of Tigermilk going for 300 pounds, but threaten legal action against a CD made from a CASSETTE DUB. That riddiculous, especially considering you posted a few weeks ago to the indie-list saying that there was "little or no chance" of Tigermilk ever getting reissued.
And no, I'm not jealous of you super-cool cats who personally know the band and have autographed copies of Tigermilk because I'm in perfect bliss with my cheap "nth generation" cassette. (Actually it's a first generation cassette but I'd be content if it was nth generation.)
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alright. i'm gonna try this again in a less upsetting way to record
companies.
hey. my name is brad. does anyone out there feel kind enough to dub me a
copy of tigermilk on cassette. i would really like to hear it. if you
feel kind enough to do it, i would gladly dub something in exchange or
send you the blank tape or whatever you prefer. you can mail me
personally.
thank you.
-brad
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no sooner had I created that massive navigation thing and then the
official site updated itself!
Havn't yet updated my links, I won't get a chance 'till the weekend now.
But go have a look at the official site.
Stuart David has written a new form of shorter fiction "little ink
movies". He's made a book of them too.
David
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is there any update on the status of b&s's american label situation. with the
enclave now kaput there have been several rumours floating about, but nothing
confirmed. anyone on here know anything?
thanks
mike
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hello all,
i tired to work out ''the state that i am in'' today.
''i was surprised i was happy for a day in 1975''
verse ; G / C / G / C / D / C ( D/C again in some verses)
chorus ; G / Bm / ? (prob smth like Em ..hm or C ..not too sure)/ D
end on ; C / G / D
so um.. has anyone else got any ideas, corrections, amendments or
chords to other b+s songs?
im not on the list any more so i would appreciate a personal reply.
thanks a lot,
bye-bye
jon (of glasto poem fame)
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