October 1997 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: DOH! its really here !
by CH55808＠aol.com 04 Oct '97

04 Oct '97

Boo to the Business World has actually moved to http://members.aol.com:/CH55805/sebastian/index.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Site Move
by CH55808＠aol.com 04 Oct '97

04 Oct '97

Boo to the Business World ! has moved to http://members.aol.com:/sebastian/index.htm Please note you have to type 'sebastian' and 'index.htm' in lower case cheers Chris Hall ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Chord help
by Chris Wirth 04 Oct '97

04 Oct '97

Hello all, Sorry to break in on the real discussions, but could someone send me (off the list) the B&S guitar transcriptions that have been worked out so far. I know a few have been sent to the list, so someone must have put together a collection of sorts. Thanks in advance :) ~cw~ ---------------------------------------------------------------- No animals were harmed in the writing of this email. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: what does it all mean?
by superbob 04 Oct '97

04 Oct '97

hey. alright i've figured out that debenham's is some sort of department store, no? and i've figured out that leccy = electricity. but, i can't figure out this one other thing because i guess it's a european thing.....what does "turning tables round in marks and spencers'" mean. what is he referring to? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Pulp controversy
by Andrew O'Sullivan 04 Oct '97

04 Oct '97

> Has anyone read the small print beneath the lyrics for Pulp albums? It says, > "Please do not read the lyrics while listening to this recording". Maybe > that'd be a good idea for B&S...? That line haunted me for years. I tried to adopt that as a rule of thumb, but it was just the other day, while listening to 4st 7lb from The Holy Bible by the Manics - I thought "I know these are fabulous words, but I can't hear half of them. What's the point of missing out on them just for some petty statement on a few albums half as good as this one [bearing in mind that The Holy Bible is at least twice as good as most contenders]." So I followed it with the lyrics, and for the first time realised that he was singing 'This discipline's so rare so please applaud", "It's the way you're built my father said, but I can change".......and countless other products of the genius that was Richey James in 1994. So, basically, no. If you don't understand what Stuart's singing [unlikely in itself], for God's sake look it up! * * * * * Andrew O'Sullivan aeos(a)dial.pipex.com http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/osullivan "You've been chosen as an extra in the movie adaptation to the sequel of your life." * * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: lyrics vs. singing
by Tyson McCreary 04 Oct '97

04 Oct '97

I read a couple messages about lines that are written one way in the lyric sheet and sung differently. I've always wondered about this, with Belle and other bands. Is it just an oversight? Are they playing with us? Obviously the wording evolves as a song comes about, but why is the lyric sheet sometimes (a bit) off? Examples, "if you just want to cuddle...we won't get into trouble" vs. "we won't get in the muddle." "You are the one who's privy" vs. "I am the one..." The order of "I had to catch a bus" and "I had to go to work..." Now I know I'm bordering on obsessive, but a literary band like B&S (they even write all right as two words -- my freshman English teacher would be proud), I'm curious about this little thing... Tyson McCreary tysonm(a)cats.ucsc.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: Sinister: Compo
by MWaggner＠aol.com 04 Oct '97

04 Oct '97

--------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Sinister: Compo Date: 97-10-03 21:58:02 EDT From: MWaggner To: Skreddy56 This is a photo of Matt's hat. As you can see, it's a reddish knit watch cap that used to be a deeper shade a couple of years ago. Since the hat is lying on top of a pile of dirty clothes, Matt must be in the shower or asleep because those are the only times that the hat isn't on his head. He's been wearing it everyday for several years now, ever since the Zambonis threw it out into the audience at an in-store show at Secret Sounds. Actually, it is not the original hat. That one was grabbed off his head at school by someone who poured chocolate milk in it and threw it on the roof or in the dumpster. The dean wouldn't do anything about it. Dave Zamboni went right home and got this hat for Matt when he heard the story and it has become a fact of our lives. Once, the hat got left behind in Barbados. But Matt's grandfather got in touch with the hotel from Miami between flights and they sent it back via Fed-Ex overnight, so it was only missing for one day. Another time, the hat blew out a bus window on a highway in Maine. The bus driver had to radio back to the camp and Howie, who runs the farm, drove 5 or 6 miles to pick it up off the road. If you look closely you can see a little tear in the side. Matt swears his sister tried to cut up his hat, which is feasible because she's 14 and finds it embarrassing, but I don't think she did. Anyway, no one around here would need to actually have Matt in the picture to know this is a photo of him. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Compo
by Skreddy56＠aol.com 03 Oct '97

03 Oct '97

My ink Poloroid (some bits re-written in my head during the last 3 weeks or so). This scene is from my first day at my new job. Actually, there is a real poloroid of this somewhere, but that doesn't show the whole picture. The person behind the rack full of dishes is Charlie, my boss. He's taking a picture of me mopping the floor, at my mother's request. I think she wants to get a copy and hang it on the wall, but I sort of hope that she doesn't get a copy. It's not that I'm embarrassed to have my friends see it, because they made me take my hat off to work, and my friends don't recognise me without it. And I don't think my mother could say anything rude about it, because it proves that I do clean things sometimes. I just don't think it's a very good picture. Over there, in the kitchen, is my partner, Joe. We spend all day washing the dishes, but right now he is cutting up vegetables for the soup. Joe has a pair of headphones on because he can't work with the restaurant's radio playing in the background. Neither can I. I asked him what he listened to in there, but he wouldn't tell me. My mom is behind the counter, and now she looks upset because I noticed Charlie taking my picture, and turned away from the camera. I think I'll give her this one, instead. Thank you for reading my ink poloroid! Sorry if I added to the last minute rush of entries filling up your mailbox right now. --Matt (skreddy56(a)aol.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: what does it all mean?
by barzy＠networkmags.com 03 Oct '97

03 Oct '97

Re: Marks & Sparks..... Last time I was there, they had branched out >into Wallace and Gromit socks. > >I think that's everything. Anybody else? > >Peter > Wow....SOCKS!!!!!???? Last time I was there they had Wallace & Gromit bath stuff with sponges of them on top.....I'm still kicking myself for not getting them. I decided on the pint of Guinness bath foam......it settles and everything. They also had Thomas The Tank Engine hat and gloves, but try as I did....I just could NOT fit the damn hat on my big ole heeeeed. Why do they always make stuff like that in CHILDREN'S sizes.........If this was the indiepop list, a woman could get lynched for saying something like that......whew......I've never turned a table round in M&S...never occured to...tho I did get a photo of a fruit table with pineapples on, and right in back of it was the ladies undergarment section....odd....pineapples and underwear....hum. I got a nice pair of 6 pound socks in the one in Aberdeen......I had to.....my Chelsea boots sprung a leak and my toes were *freezing*!!!!!! xo beth > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. >. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". >. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see >. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister >. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net >----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Hal Hartley / B&S
by N. 03 Oct '97

03 Oct '97

On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, klas.ericsson(a)student.jmg.gu.se (klas ericsson), wrote: >I don't know how many people noticed the Hal Hartley quote in "I could be >dreaming", the one from Trust (I think), that goes " A family is like a >loaded gun, if you point it in the wrong direction...". Has anyone found >any more Hal Hartley-oriented topics in B&S lyrics. Stuart David mentioned >him as an inspiration in my interview for the fanzine STATE (which I=B4m >trying to change to the STATE I am in - of course:-)). > >Henry Fool (aka Klas) Klas, I don't know of any more specific HH references within the lyrics, but I have noticed some broader connections between the two. As a longtime Hal Hartley fan (um, please no debates over who's a "real" HH fan! ;-)) I was thrilled to hear that B&S consider him an inspiration. FYI to everyone, there's a great HH web page (http://www.best.com/~drumz/Hartley/) and a mailing list, too. So, here are some connections I've made .. *** Falling: There's this one B&S photo on the tweenet B&S site (http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~hahndorf/bas/) that reminds me of HH. According to the caption, it's of Stuart David and Richard Colburn. RC is down on the ground in front of a car and SD is crouched next to him. It looks to me like a scene from a HH film. His films always feature loads of tripping/falling or down-on-the-ground scenes and Hal has admitted, "I love people falling down. I've always got my eye out for flat spaces to have someone fall down on. Empty highways have this almost narcotic attraction for me." This shared fondness with falling or having fallen obviously ties into larger issues that both B&S and HH address, and everything that falling can represent on an emotional level. The word itself has mixed connotations because of its use in phrases like "falling in love" and "falling asleep." Both the image and the concept of someone on the ground can be pretty ambiguous. Did he trip or was he pushed or did he lower himself gently to the ground? "Now I'm feeling flat you seem miles away / I'm so tired that down on the pavement I'll lay / Till the blossom on the tree comes falling on me / Fall on me" (Dog on wheels) Both HH films and B&S lyrics address ambiguity. X is not necessarily what it seems to be. But it's not necessarily Y, either! Neither shies away from muddled scenarios, nor tries to wrap them up neatly at the end. Hartley says he's obsessed with "the fumbling attempt to find out what love is, the constant confusion, the frustration." Part of what draws me to both HH and B&S is their willingness to examine the messy truth. Obviously, a filmmaker has more room to do this. Other connections I've noticed: *** Religion: HH films and B&S lyrics are full of references to religion. For example, In HH's "Amateur" one of the main characters is an ex-nun and part of the film takes place in a convent. In "The Unbelievable Truth," Josh is asked again and again, "Are you a priest?" ("No, I'm a mechanic.") I don't need to point out all the B&S religious references to you Sinister listees, right? ;-) *** Self-referentiality: HH often uses the same actors (Donovan, Shelley, Sillas, et al) or a similar character (the street bum, the ex-con) from film to film. Of course, In "Flirt" he does his own short film in three different ways, so I suppose that's a broad form of self-referentiality (hey, is that even a word?). For B&S, the most obvious example is the way Belle and Sebastian are characters in songs as well as the name of the band. Also, things like how in the song "Mary Jo," MJ's reading a book called "The State That I Am In." Ok, there's one more connection and it reaallly stretches it, but hey, i guess that's what this list is for. ;-) Have you all read "Belles Lettres," the series of B&S-inspired stories on the Tangents E-zine? (http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/belle_lettres/index.html) Well, when the narrator is in a classroom with the girl he loves, he gets up and writes on the whiteboard, "I don't love anyone," and then, beneath it, "Belle And Sebastian are God." In the great HH film, "Surviving Desire," Jude is in a classroom with the girl he loves and he gets up and writes on the blackboard, "Knowing is not enough." Guess I'll stop rambling on this subject now. I'm enjoying all the stories about misheard lyrics, so keep them coming. Um, no, I don't need a copy of Tigermilk; already have it thanks to Stuart Maclean. ;-) - Nicole ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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