i have just been able to hear wrong love as my very kind flatmate
downloaded realplayer 5 or whatever
and now its running through my head a very fitting soundtrack to the mopey
kind of afternoon i seem to be having...
especially 'im not what i could be/ i need a true love...'
the weather here in los angeles has been dodgy at best of late = rainy
then sunny nearly every other day and on the rainy days all i want to do
is stay in bed and that is what sort of day it is today its tiring...
ach! listen to me - nothing but complaining...
its just that im feeling rather dreadfully lonesome only i cant be
bothered to talk to anyone...
i dont know what this is all about too many worries about school and then
grad school after that (as i am one who is in school now and not able to
get enough of it really enjoying learning and reading about things and
almost wishing i had been in longer in university that is because ive
still so much to learn and being young i feel dreadfully behind only i
know that i am fairly far ahead for someone of my age that being 19 only
and nearly finished with my junior year)
but im going out dancing tonight and so that promises to possibly
entertaining enough to shake me out of this slump...
does anyone else hear songs that they absolutely love and yet cannot bear
to listen to because the songs make them too sad? and which songs are
these?
sometimes belle and sebastian makes me feel this way... i think that
'wrong love' could be one of them...
my this is long isnt it? i must go away now
take care!
allison
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list.
. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net".
. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see
. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister
. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net
. Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear All,
Geez you guys make me laugh! It never really seemed like the list took such
a bad turn,but I hope Sinister always has that same feeling,it does...can't
really place it but it is the BEST mailing list I've ever been on,I mean i
don't care...strictly information ot the band is alright you know,but it
doesn't give that special little mmm mmm kick! I specially dislike mailing
lists that are reduced to aruging about old members vs new members...like
'don't have a cow man' you know? THis list is just so funny and sweet and at
least the insults are usually good-humored and funny,aw come on yall just
wanna give each other a big ol smoooch!
I'm happy cos I got my voice back and I got my speech done and oh my,baby
it's HOT out there (well warm actually) but it's warm the air is so
good..the snow is melting,yes yes YES! Can it be...we can actually wear
shorts soon!
Sarah wrote:
>oh, yeah, someone wrote them about "do they really KNOW hoe special B&S
>are?"...well, please mate. i mean i know i'm a whole year (WOO!) older
>than jon and bethey, but the ages don't make any difference to how you
>feel about a band - you just might get patronised a tad more...hmm...
I remember I joined this 'Mod List' when i was 13...ack,boy were they ever
up their own arses...it got too boring anyways,blah blah my scooter is
better then yours...i just remember i went in there all happy and loving and
ick..
which brings me to Northy.. is that the REAL Northy saying all that? Why is
getting bitter? He used to be such a fun-lovin feller,now he might end up
with rickets...you know,not get enough sunshine?
I don't wanna hear any 19yearolds and upwards wanting to be 15 again,you
guys ARE still just young thangs anyways yet you get to do things
legally..you get to go to concerts,you don't have to wait out on curb with
the man who talks to the branches (and not in a nice poetic way!)and don't
have to deal with big M.
>Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:45:32 -0500
>From: vlass(a)interlog.com
>Subject: Sinister: half-japanese?
>
>since everyone is mentioning first shows.. well, uh, my first real concert
>was when i was in grade 3. i saw tiffany and the new kids on the block at
>canada's wonderland (which is an amusement park with roller coasters and
>fake mountains and stuff). i just wanted to see tiffany but i didnt know who
>nkotb was. ack. have i revealed too much about myself?
me too..i'd nevre heard of em and i was never attracted to them either,i
thought soemthign was wrong with me...same with Leo dicaprio..no no...i
don't care what you say,Welsh boys are lurrrrvely,rather be stuck on desert
island with them than leo...i don't hear the japanese accent by the way,i
always hear the scot accent...little bits stronger than others.. "hillary
went to the catholic church" hee hee!!
the first concert i ever saw i was snuck in by a tour manager (he called me
his 'petit bonbon' :)) was Suede (sigh) but i only saw 2 songs before Beardo
threw me out....does that count as first concert?Well actually i saw
classical ones in the park when i was little but i don't remember so it
doesn't count..jsut remember the big lady with the harp...
la la la!!
xoxoxo Genevieve
i don't like kevin bacon but i love kevin spacey
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list.
. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net".
. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see
. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister
. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net
. Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hey Chris... I don´t want to belabour the point
but... to someone who likes B&S your scornful words
towards Trembling Blue Stars seem strange and a bit
contradictory.
Anyway, I respect your opinion but HOW COULD I AGREE ?
take care, Pedro .
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list.
. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net".
. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see
. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister
. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net
. Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Does anyone know why are British bands (not all, of course)
so impossibly arrogant ? ( oasis, travis, ocean colour scene, blur ... ).
Pedro.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list.
. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net".
. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see
. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister
. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net
. Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
hey hey, me again!
ok so my last 2 posts showed up on the digest in the wrong order...i
hate email stuff...grr...
da dooke wrote...
<<Confront yourself, more than anything, and
that's what Pop should do. That's what art does... remember, the art,
be it a painting, a song, a pome, whatever, will say more about yourself
than anything else.>>
making this relevant to belle and sebastian, i've got to say something
here. i perhaps pull myself apart, confront and pick at myself as much
as i can. and may i tell you lot that its bloody tiring. maybe not when
you have a good job, qualifications and relationships, but when you
aint, conforntation takes over you life, and SO EAsILY turns into self-
hate/self obsession.
Belle and Sebastian make me feel better about myself. It seems to me
that their role is NOT to confront. They make "gentle pop songs" direct
quote from SD there. they fill me with joy, and magic, and love and make
me want to hop about the room, and SMILE and fucking FORGET the
confrontational hate of the rest of the day. POP.
POP can also confront. POP comes in many different ideals if we want to
put it that way. Likesay, the manics, B&S, Dexys, Aqua, Wu-effing0Tang,
are all POP in whichever way you want to take them, its a personal
thing. POP is the most personal thing a person (ok, me) has, and THAT is
why it means so much to me. i know, i am a sad bastard.
<<Maybe this is truly the problem here; that generations younger
than mine are interested not in pulling away the layers and making
judgement themselves, but are intent only on the surface, the
appearance.>>
listen. ok, you are generalising, and there are a lot of twats exactly
like that. but not all. trying to make this relevant to B&S again, what
layers are there to peel away about B&S, apart from the mulitiple layers
of intrigue??? watcha see is watcha get really with them as a BAND, as
product and us as consumers. the PROCESS da dook seems to go on about,
will be found out about ONLY IF THE PEOPLE LIKE THE BAND finding out
about PROCESS follows PRODUCT. that is personally why *i* believeimage
is important. B&S's non-image....i like.....but i do not see them being
held up to millions. and i don't want them to. so sue me, i am writing
myself into a corner.
<<The NME act all indignant one week, and the next, it's
back to free posters of Popstars and playing the newlabour game of
threat free media. It's laughable, but it's painful...>>
Yes, wasn't the poster of the Manics nice? I liked that one. I bought
the NME for it. The NME is a BUSINESS. It is after making MONEY. Those
prints gaurenteed most Manics fans would buy it. the duke seems to imply
the papers are SCUm, like all meeja of course, but the new labour
article WAS there, there was a full letters page devoted to it in the
next issue, people HAVE paid attention. and the NME seems to survive.
has it occured to you that the posters were a SELLING POINT? the paper
hsa just put its priceup, and needs extra incentive for purchasing,
hence free CD and prints. PROMOTIONS. flip, business studies classes are
all floooowing back to me.....
god, i bet i'll look back on this and wince when i'm in an office...with
a suit ...and tie....milking da system.....
i'd rather puke. trust me kids, its fun *thumbs up*
I'M GOING NOW BYE!!!!!!
Sarah
"I try to make everyones day a little more surreal"
***Calvin!****
http://www.elsato97.demon.co.uk
*********************************
* FEATHER BOAS & NAPALM ZINE *
* C'MON! PUNCH THE AIR! *
* One Pound and A5 SAE *
* 9 Westfield Drive, Warton *
* Preston, Lancs *
* PR4 1ED *
*********************************
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list.
. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net".
. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see
. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister
. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net
. Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
keep thinking about some lines in Absolute
>Beginners...
"I've nothing much to offer
There's nothing much to take
I'm an absolute beginner
Absolutely sane"
- David Bowie
Am I on the right track?
Peter
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list.
. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net".
. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see
. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister
. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net
. Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok, ok, ok.... I've been ill y'know. But I go away for three days and I
don't expect someone to try to steal my delightful sobriquet! I refer, of
course, to mr la-de-dah so-called
"essex-I'm-a-journalist-actually-dontachaknow-dog5", who wrote, in reply to
sir sparkly orange:
>>who is this stephen trousers of whom you speak?
Why I oughtta...... listen "pal", i was trousers when you were in short
pants, so go find your own nom-de-net. As a card-carrying pop
deconstructionist, I'm all in favour of the concept of the free-floating
signifier, but this is one act of bricolage too far. So take your
teletextuality elsewhere, you loathsome poltroon!
(does this count as flame? even if put a big snakey sarcasm symbol here?
~~~)
Ummm, where was I? Oh somone was mentioning setting up a spin-off website
for listees contributions (sorry I can't remember who, I've just waded
through 150 emails), which reminded me... various people have kicked around
the idea of setting up a list fanzine, and I've decided to take the plunge.
It would be nice to have something ready to commemorate all the picnics at
the beginning of May, and we could also distribute them at the Blue Soda
Social, a club a few of us are setting up in London. So if anyone fancies
contributing reviews, interviews, features, ink polaroids, WHATEVER (or if
you just have a query).... email me privately (poetryplace2(a)easynet.co.uk)
They don't have to be about B&S... in fact it'll probably be more
interesting if there's a broad range of subjects: not just pop, but books,
films, plays, comics.... hell, even poems! It'd be nice to have a few
illustrations, so if anyone's handy with a pencil....We'll have to get our
skates on though, so the deadline is April 15th. And no, it's not gonna be
called Trouser Press because even my egomania has some limits, (and there's
already a US zine by that name). I think Sinister sounds a bit gothy.... at
the moment I like "brouhaha" simply because it's a nice word, but if anyone
has any better suggestions, well drop me a line. Avanti!
At last: the late late Monday poem...
Stephen Dobyns is another of these ker-razy american poets who are so
fashionable at the moment. I spent the better part of this week in bed with
the flu reading his selected poems "Velocities", published by Bloodaxe, and
it brought some truth to the cliche that there is nothing so enjoyable as a
minor illness. This poem is fairly self-explanatory.
Stephen Dobyns
Oatmeal Deluxe
This morning, because the snow swirled deep
around my house, I made oatmeal for breakfast.
At first it was runny so I added more oatmeal,
then it grew too thick so I added water.
Soon I had a lot of oatmeal. The radio
was playing Spanish music and I became
passionate: soon I had four pots of oatmeal.
I put them aside and started a new batch.
Soon I had eight pots. When the oatmeal cooled,
I began to roll it with my hands, making
small shapes: pigs and souvenir ashtrays. Then
I made a foot, then another, then a leg. Soon
I'd made a woman out of oatmeal with freckles
and a cute nose and hair made from brown sugar
and naked except for a necklace of raisins.
She was five feet long and when she grew harder
I could move her arms and legs without them
falling off. But I didn't touch her much -
she lay on the table - sometimes I'd touch her
with a spoon, sometimes I'd lick her in places
it wouldn't show. She looks like you, although
your hair is darker, but the smile is like yours,
and the eyes, although hers are closed. You say:
But what has this to do with me? And I should say:
I want to make more women out of Cream of Wheat.
But enough of such fantasy. You ask me
why I don't love love you, why you can't
live with me. What can I tell you? If I
can make a woman out of oatmeal, my friend,
what trouble could I make for you, a woman?
------------------------------------------------------------
Stevie Trousers
xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
the Poetry Society website: http://www.poetrysoc.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list.
. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net".
. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see
. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister
. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net
. Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't got my list of favorite shows together (yet), but I know what
would become one:
B + S @ Summerstage in Central Park New York (early in summer before the
too muggy weather sets in, of course!
Is it a possibility?
Lesley
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list.
. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net".
. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see
. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister
. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net
. Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Subject: Sinister: Maybe Northy was right ...Right you lot.
>I'd really like to have something nice to say, but unfortunately
idon't.
>Paul has done the most fantastic job possible with this list and i
think
>it's an insult to him as to how we are all using it at present.
>Of course people are going to have differing opinions and of course
>people are going to want to air said opinions, but we should all do as
>Paul suggests and "pause for 10 seconds and think of cliff before
>hitting that send button".
Unfortunately, the biggest problem with the B&S list is that there is
nothing going on with B&S. It will be some time before the records are
released and the gigging starts. That said, other than the occassional
radio sessions (I really wanna hear "Wrong Love"), there is nothing for
us to do except twiddle our thumbs and have the occassional picnic.
That said, Paul said we should talk about our lives. My life involves
pop music which involves bands other than B&S. On tuesday, I did a
radio show on a college station in Boston (WMBR Cambridge) called
Breakfast of Champions (named either after the cereal Wheaties or the
Kurt Vonnegut novel). I played lots of indie pop including Belle and
Sebastian (You made me Forget my dreams) and bands the list talks about
(Stone Roses, Biff Bang Pow, the Jasmine Minks).
Yesterday, I did another radio show called Ma Petite Pamplemousse where
I played mostly french (Serge Gainsbourg, Francoise Hardy, Louis
Philippe), cheesy french (Vanessa Paradis, Veronique Sasson) or wannabe
french (Cat's Miaow, Velocette, Jane Birkin, Baby Birkin, Luna's version
of Bonnie & Clyde, Dutronc). I did manage a petit scottish set (Adv. in
Stereo, Belle and Sebastian, and Primal Scream).
Ummm...today I'll see Grease hopefully with my girlfriend (if it isn't
sold out). Our company is doing well (4 million in financing --- I know
I know boo to the business world). It's 80 degrees and beautiful. Life
is good.
Matt
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list.
. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net".
. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see
. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister
. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net
. Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
In response to:
>> Is Elvis a cat?
>> The way elvis is described in this song makes him out to sound like
a cat !!
Cross Katrina shouted:
>READ THE ARCHIVES !!! :)
And then apologised nicely
When I started on this list I noticed people referring in an oblique
way to this whole cat/Elvis thing. But doing a search on the archives
didn't actually help much because:
1. If you search for 'cat' you get everything with the three letters
c-a-t in them (including catalogue, the person with the e-mail address
'yummycats' etc.)
2. 'Elvis' is obviously mentioned all over the place
3. Since the search engine is pretty crude this is all you can do.
Ideally, you could do clever Boolean searches like "Elvis AND (cat or
dog", or else have some kind of nice natural-language interface with
clever relevance-ranking algorithms behind it. But sledgehammers and
nuts come to mind, and we should be grateful that we've got anything
at all.
4. Finally, on trawling chronologically through the early archives, I
realised that the real elvis/cat debate happened in the prehistory of
Sinister, when there was another mailing list that was beset by
technical hitches (I think I'm remembering that right - apologises if
not)
So my point is I don't think we shouldn't always tell people off for
not looking in the archives just because something has come up before
- it can be hard to find things.
God I'm boring.
Nick
P.S. Talking of the E-files, I was most excited to see it is shown on
Sunday mornings on BBC1. Imagine my disappointment when I found that
it was not a series about Elvis sightings but a pretty tedious one on
European issues, focussing last week on the impact of closer political
union on pension provisions. Bah.
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list.
. To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net".
. For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see
. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister
. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net
. Listen, this is pish, I think I'll leave
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
