October 1997 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: mmm... tastes like spam
by plaird 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

Dr C B Stride wrote this on 27/10/97: >To all those in the vicinity of Sheffield, UK > >This Saturday night..... > > > OFFBEAT - a real indiepop night....... > > with late bar, free lollipops and request sheets > etc.etc. > > Playing......Classic Indie, Punk POP 1977-1997 and C86/C96/new > underground of indiepop..... > > HEAVENLY-HELEN LOVE-SHOP ASSISTANTS-PIXIES-BODINES > DWEEB-CHAMELEONS-PASTELS-REM-SMITHS-CUD-PAVEMENT > FALL- BLUR-JAM-HALF MAN HALF BISCUIT-TALULAH GOSH > SUPER FURRY ANIMALS-ELASTICA-CURVE-URUSEI YATSURA- > BOGSHED-TIGER-SNUFF-DEAD KENNEDYS-PWEI-CARTER USM > STEREOLAB-CHINA DRUM-BLAGGERS ITA- BUZZCOCKS-BIS > WEDDING PRESENT-ASH-BELLE&SEBASTIAN-SONIC YOUTH- > etc I'm sorry, but isn't this just spam?. Since I've been on this list this guy has sent this advert about four times, not once adding anything to this list that I can remember. Now I know there are a few of us on the list who may run or frequent clubs that play B&S, but these have been only mentioned in relation to discussions or the imminent release of a B&S single. I operate a club that plays B&S. I won't say what or where it is since many of you on the list have kindly done that for me already (many thanks in particular to Keith). I wouldn't dream of spamming the list with an ad for it!!! Maybe I'm being finicky, but I'd rather download even the most trivial B&S related mail than Dr Stride's monthly efforts. Byee, Paul <plaird(a)ndirect.co.uk> "Go to work on an ***" - *** *** Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: fan club fund raisers
by Jean-Philippe Madelaine 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

You can count me in too. If you enough answers (just two for the moment), tell me what to do... JPhilippe -----Message d'origine----- De : duke of harringay <tangent(a)mail.zynet.co.uk> � : sinister <sinister(a)majordomo.net> Date : mardi 28 octobre 1997 10:49 Objet : Sinister: fan club fund raisers >> The computer has finally >> died enough for us to not be able to rely on >> it. Umm, so basically we >> don't know what the hell is going to happen. >> >> We've got no idea how the hell we're going to >> get a new computer, but >> we'll try to keep you updated as to how things >> are going ... somehow. > >so, paul, how many people on the list? around >300? well how about if everyone chipped in, say, >two quid or the equivalent thereof... then david >and katrina could have a bit of dosh to get >themselves a new (okay, maybe second hand, i >dunno) computer, thereby enabling them to carry on >their excellent and worthwhile tasks in honour of >the Pop group we all love so much :-) > >Alternatively we could all send email to the band >and tell them to syphon some of their profits to >buying their fan club runners new equipment ;-) > >there must be SOME way we can all help out, >surely?? > >keep the faith, > >the duke > > >-- >Tangents On-Line >http://www.virtual-pc.com/tangent/ >Tangents On-Paper: PO Box 102, Exeter, EX2 4YL, UK > >tangent(a)mail.zynet.co.uk > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >.. This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list... To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net"... For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see.. http://www.majordomo.net/sinister.. For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net-------------------------------------------------- --------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: inscription
by Arnauld prin 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

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Sinister: re: press release
by Andrew Dean 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

brad: >hey. a couple months back or less a press release was >posted to the list for 3..6..9. the one where some member >of the band reckoned some song on the new e.p. sucked or >something to that effect. could whoever posted that, or if >anyone saved it, please repost it please. thanks. plaird: >Actually I didn't save the mail, but I was sent one of the >press releases, so here it comes: um, all the messages sent to this list are saved and available via the web. in fact, i'm reading this message off the web site seeing as my mail is pants at the moment. the url is in the trailier that gets appended to every single list message. unfortunately the archive is currently missing a search facility so it may take a bit of time to find what you're looking for but that's still gotta be less work than all that re-typing. (paul, i know someone who has written a hypermail search thing if you want one...) andy oh, and beth, it wasn't the american stalking police i called, it was the fbi. 8) hopefully normal service will be resumed today. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Goodbye ... *sniff*
by David & Katrina 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

Hello everyone. This isn't a spam, it's an important message, so listen up. This message is probably going to be our last. The computer has finally died enough for us to not be able to rely on it. Umm, so basically we don't know what the hell is going to happen. If you need to mail us, please do so care of jeepster.uk(a)virgin.net . With regards to the Belle and Sebastian merchandise, anyone who has already placed orders, please give us a bit of time, while we try to work out a system. Katrina is going to collect all our mail at Jeepster, so your merchandise orders will still be processed, but they may take a little longer than expected. And as for the B&S fanclub and the websites ... well, they're currently in limbo until we find out what's going to happen. We have no idea how long this is going to take to get sorted (if it does at all), so please bear with us. If you need to get in contact urgently, please phone/fax us on 0181 560 1815 (reasonable hours only, please!). Alternatively, you can call Jeepster on 0181 964 9432, but again, only if it's urgent. We've got no idea how the hell we're going to get a new computer, but we'll try to keep you updated as to how things are going ... somehow. Until then ... David & Katrina alias lots of things including the B&S fanclub. -- ******************************************************************** http://www.totalweb.co.uk/bluesoda/Belleandsebastian.htm mailto:bluesoda@totalweb.co.uk ******************************************************************** ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Boo change again !
by Chris Hall 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

Sorry folks but Boo to the Business World ! has moved again due to ISP trouble. It is now at http://freespace.virgin.net/chris.hall5/index.htm cheers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: why this is important
by Hopkins T 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

re: 2 Questions: And some responses: >i) What is a homogenised cultural muscle? Is there a less pretentious term for this part of the anatomy? (a) I shall take the word pretentious as a compliment, for reasons which might not eb so complimentary. (b) I used the phrase homogenising cultural muscle to mean the power which the culture industries (and in this case music) seem to exercise to squeeze the best ideas out of the most interesting music and replace them with hackneyed, lowest-common-denominator ideas of what will _sell_,(meaning what has sold already). Not an absolute rule, but a general one. >ii) Isn't this being-let-down-by-bands-and-populism thing (something that miraculously ceases to bother you when you give up reading the music press, by the by), Thanks dad. I did stop reading the music press for a period of about five years, not that you were to know that, of course) and it didn't prevent my mistrust of the music business. Neither did it diminish my interest in the business's machinations. > if it has happened with what seem to be some of the bands you most like, as central a part of your enjoyment of pop as any other? No, not as central as any other. Interested as I am in what pop means and how it works, the central part of my enjoyment remains the things the noise does to me. Long may it remain so. Otherwise, I might as well be thinking about milk cartons. or whatever. But I think I see what you're getting at and yes, a pop group having a position of potential importance necessarily carries with it the risk of letting folks down (even when those folks have aspirations for the group which the group themselves never held or agreed with, ahem...). This risk certainly does bring with it something of a thrill and generates a feeling of trust which (were violation impossible) wouldn't be there. The Sex Pistols didn't rip the music industry apart (which they said they would) and thoroughly and consistently let their followers down. BUT, something of the energy and strangeness in that band inspired a generation to look for new ways to do things. Belle and Sebastian have already inspired that feeling in some people I know. I want that potential to have as wide and as large an effect as possible. That's all. Oh dear, I've probably bored you all stupid. Bad habit of mine. Chin Chin TimH ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: why this is important
by J M Forsyth 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

>(b) I used the phrase homogenising cultural muscle to mean the power >which the culture industries (and in this case music) seem to exercise >to squeeze the best ideas out of the most interesting music and replace >them with hackneyed, lowest-common-denominator ideas of what will >_sell_,(meaning what has sold already). Not an absolute rule, but a >general one. Thank you, that is clearer. My difficulty was in determining whether you meant a culturally-homogenising muscle, or a muscle which, concomitant with (in spite of?) its homogenising powers, was 'cultured'; whether you meant the brain, or whether indeed the phrase was leaning towards being a specious form of phrasal verb. >>ii) Isn't this being-let-down-by-bands-and-populism thing (something >that >miraculously ceases to bother you when you give up reading the music >press, >by the by), > >Thanks dad. I did stop reading the music press for a period of about >five years, not that you were to know that, of course) and it didn't >prevent my mistrust of the music business. Neither did it diminish my >interest in the business's machinations. > >> if it has happened with what seem to be some of the bands you >most like, as central a part of your enjoyment of pop as any other? > >No, not as central as any other. Interested as I am in what pop means >and how it works, the central part of my enjoyment remains the things >the noise does to me. Long may it remain so. Otherwise, I might as well >be thinking about milk cartons... A fair piece of pedantry provoked by my poor phrasing. No, of course it's not as central as any other, but, so qualified, I still wonder whether or not what I'm suggesting has any truth - noise on most other mailing list contains the same anguish about the impending (or otherwise) popularity of the subject, despite the perceived uniqueness and superiority of each list's deity. On another note, I'd appreciate it if you took the foot off the pedal a little. The Internet is too regrettably reminiscent of a Wild West saloon - all calm and honky tonk, two seconds later everybody leaping into a brawl. Regards, John. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Sinister: why this is important
by Nigel Turner 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

Tim Hopkins wrote: >I'm saying this now bedcause I love them, I'm saying it now because I don't want to be sad or angry in two years having been let down again, like I was (we were, eh duke?) with Hurrah! or the Smiths or so many others years ago. It's easy to blame the demise on these bands (both of whom I was a big fan of - and still love a lot of their stuff) on their association with THE MAN, but surely it's not inconceivable that they just ran out of ideas, and would have gone down the pan anyway, regardless of whether they "sucked the corporate tit" (I think that's one of Matt Kaplan's?) or not. Somebody mentioned the Wedding Present in this regard. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: B&S on TOTP
by Paul_Clarke＠ipc.co.uk 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

Says in today's NME that Belle and Sebastian were invited onto TOTP last week... that's all I know because I've not read the "interview" yet, but according to Tommy Udo (I just heard him on XFM, he's not a personal friend or anything) it's a hilarious read... Pauly ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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