October 1997 - Sinister - missprint.org

Sinister: She's Losing It
by Dazza 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

The chords for She's Losing It give the lyrics for the second part of the chorus as "When the first cup of coffee clears the washing up..." but please reassure me, someone, that it actually goes "When the first cup of coffe tastes like washing up..." because that's what I think I hear and it's a great line! Dazza ************ You are wearing vinyl, and being morally persuaded he is wearing vinyl, she is wearing it, and their silhouette creates more of the same copious thing not far away, so we remember this corridor forever ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: Re: promo ideas
by Dazza 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

> and just keep the records in the shops. went looking for > another copy of '3, 6, 9...' on saturday. easy to find i > thought - chart band and all that. except woolworth's use a > different chart from everyone else. whsmiths only seemed to > stock the top 20 and virgin just had a hole where number 32 > should've been. ok, it serves me right for living in such an > armpit of a place but... My local Our Price never had any copies of 3,6,9, to begin with. And they didn't get any when it went into the top 40 either, as they usually do. Not that I'd have bought it there anyway, given the choice, but still, it may be part of the reason why they didn't get a higher chart place, mightn't it? Dazza ************ You are wearing vinyl, and being morally persuaded he is wearing vinyl, she is wearing it, and their silhouette creates more of the same copious thing not far away, so we remember this corridor forever ************ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: random thoughts
by Peter Higgins 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

evening all, this is my first message to this list, so forgive any screw-ups. I'd just like to add my opinions to the whole issue of bands letting you down or screwing up or whatever. I too have very high hopes for BandS but there is a danger of forgetting that we are the fans and they are the band - let's face it, if they decide they wanna "sell out" that's really up to them. And if they decide they want to do a rock opera about Adolf Hitler (for example) then that's up to them too. Being a fan is great fun but also depressing - I remember being let down by the House of Love (selling out, re-releasing "Shine On"), The Auteurs (turning crap very quickly), and, yes, even The Smiths (signing to a major label - amazing how upsetting that seemed at the time...) But then think about someone like The Wedding Present, who followed their own rules, rather admirably, but still ended up, well, where, exactly? And think about the abominable nightmare that is Chumbawamba - big hit single for their nice new major label, but then let's face it, straight in at number thirty two for the next one, dropped by the label pretty damn sharpish, I would say... Anyway, I'm all in favour of worshipping belle and sebastian, cos I think they're fucking ace, but a little perspective comes in handy too - don't expect them to be perfect and don't be too disappointed when other people like them because of their fluke hit single or whatever else may happen in the future. Watching the progress of a band like this is very interesting, with all the potential pitfalls that lie in their way - how disappointed will we be when there's a TWO CD single, instead of an EP, or they turn up on some godawful kids tv show, or they make lots of money and move to Spain or something...? I hope that BandS are having fun right now, and earning enough to keep them off the streets, and I hope they like having the kind of fans they've got. Finally, apologies if I've rambled or sounded a tad patronising at times, but I'm making this up as I go along. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: why this is important
by J M Forsyth 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

re: >I'm sure they understand. Sign after sign, hint after hint show that >they understand how important it could be to find a position of strength >without the homogenising cultural muscle of the music industry. (A >homogenising cultural muscle whose products I also enjoy, but would >cherish an alternative to). >I'm saying this now bedcause I love them, I'm saying it now because I >don't want to be sad or angry in two years having been let down again, >like I was (we were, eh duke?) with Hurrah! or the Smiths or so many >others years ago. 2 Questions: i) What is a homogenised cultural muscle? Is there a less pretentious term for this part of the anatomy? ii) Isn't this being-let-down-by-bands-and-populism thing (something that miraculously ceases to bother you when you give up reading the music press, by the by), if it has happened with what seem to be some of the bands you most like, as central a part of your enjoyment of pop as any other? rgds john. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: New E-Mail Address Notification
by kake.angerson＠usa.net 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

Update your records! Customer KATE ANDERSON has recently obtained a new e-mail address from NET@DDRESS a service of USA.NET. You can now reach this person via e-mail at kake.angerson(a)usa.net. This change is effective immediately. If you would like to e-mail KATE ANDERSON right now, simply reply to this e-mail message. Also make sure to note this address for future use. If you have questions about NET@DDRESS or problems with this letter, please contact us directly at service(a)usa.net Please update your records with this new e-mail address. Sincerely, NET@DDRESS, a product of USA.NET http://www.netaddress.usa.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: Tigermilk Reissues
by Hopkins T 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

Sorry this is now a little out of date, (and I wish I'd seen it before the weekend, duke, or we could have talked this one through over a couple of scoops) but I feel I need to clarify something regarding the popness/non-popness dimension of the Tigermilk reissue. So here goes: ---------- From: duke of harringay To: 'sinister(a)majordomo.net' Subject: Re: Sinister: Tigermilk Reissues Date: 24 October 1997 17:34 >i like the mythical quality of tigermilk remaining >unavailable (and NO i don't have a copy on vinyl >either...) , because actually i disagree with tim >about collectablity not being part of Pop. I >think it is... Hmmm. Now I would have thought that you of all people, sir duke, would have subscrbed to the more throwaway angle: that pop is about being cheap and great and (what was it?) throwaway pop tunes which you just want to keep forever. Of course I understand the joy of seeking out that great lost tune but I think that's a different and discrete impulse from the pure pop joy which I feel when I hear Belle and Sebastian. And I, of course, also understand the urge to _own_ your pop music, to build a world-view and a self around it, but I still don't think that justifies artificailly creating this kind of exclusivity in what I believe should be a fundamentally democratic medium. > However... i also think that Tigermilk >is a great record and deserves to be heard. Given >that there's a lot of growing interest in the >band, i think it should be given a 'real' airing >to the public Me too. Oh, me too. >, and i suspect that despite all the >comments from the band, it WILL come out, but only >when they think it's in their best interests for >it to happen. It's a juggling act.... keep it >back long enough to keep people talking and >hoping, then unleashing it when they feel at a >peak of publicity, or whatever. I don;t think it >will see the light of day until they get a '>charting' LP and mass interest in the press. >Then i can see full page ads pushing it as the >'great lost debut by belle & sebastian' or >somesuch. And that's fair enough, because that's >Pop too. Well, yes, kind of. Except that one of the (many) things which I cherish about this band is that they always seemed to want to (and, for once, seemed to be in the position to) tackle this music industry thing on their own terms. Now all of a sudden I'm expected to believe that it's OK to play so strictly by the rules. I'd love to see a little more in the way of imagina(c)tion going in to how it's to be presented, rather than falling so quickly into line with the way of thinking which ends up talking about 'great lost albums'. Which, surely, is classic canonical rock-speak. I'd like to think that this band, of all bands, find such language as stomach-turning as I do. And the point of all of this I will explain in a separate mail, because this one's long enough already. Lubricate yours TimH ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: tour diary part 7
by Andrew Dean 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

[stuart murdoch] Me and Neil and my friend Steve from Seattle went looking for the Largest Cathedral in America. Tom said it was anyway, but I thought he was getting mixed up, or I expected cathedrals to be really small in America. Because didn't all big cathedrals get built about the time of the Vikings? So we went up on the tube to 116th Street, and got lost a bit, and then we found it. It was the largest building I'd ever seen. The funny thing was that we were originally meant to play in this place. U2 would have trouble pulling it off in there. We could've played in the f***ing vestry! There was a 43 second reverb up the nave. The sound would have been like condensed soup. Nice place, though. I wandered in and out of the nine or so smaller chapels behind the alter. Chapels to Saint Columbus, Saint James, Saint some others. I had an ecclesiastical dump in the toilets which were through the cathedral shop. There was confessional graffiti in the bogs. I lost track of time a bit, and when i got out Neil and Steve had been waiting for some time. Neil told me that Steve didn't hang around in the cathedral. Although he liked it, he felt a bit strange being a fag in a holy place. We walked Steve to his hostel and then to his bus. At the stop Neil bought a vanilla sports shake. He said it was 'the very dorts' and we agreed. Me and Steve went to buy the same shake. We stood on the corner all drinking from the distinctive design of can, looking like three tubes. Everyone felt sick after for ages. We say Steve on to the bus, and he was sad because he had a good time, and we wouldn't see him again for ages. Also, he doesn't have a proper boyfriend in Seattle, so consequently he is always giving to people but never really taking. Melody Maker 18th October 1997 um, still no sign of part 5. oh um... andy ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Sinister: re: press release - lazy git
by plaird 28 Oct '97

28 Oct '97

plaird: >Actually I didn't save the mail, but I was sent one of the >press releases, so here it comes: >um, all the messages sent to this list are saved and >available via the web. in fact, i'm reading this message off >the web site seeing as my mail is pants at the moment. the >url is in the trailier that gets appended to every single >list message. unfortunately the archive is currently missing >a search facility so it may take a bit of time to find what >you're looking for but that's still gotta be less work than >all that re-typing. (Andrew Dean) Sorry andy, but I've got my own scanner, and just OCR'd the press releases. The time consuming bit was editing the text (Omnipage can sometimes substitute the most unusual letters!) Was the LLPJ Press release posted to the list originally? I can only assume it was. Frankly I can't be arsed searching the archive, as I found myself getting nowhere the one and only time I tried. Sorry if I gave the impression I'm a sort of fanatic, I think typing that lot from scratch would have taken about an hour or more and I'm actually pretty lazy (but no line painter) to tell the truth. Byee! Paul <plaird(a)ndirect.co.uk> "Go to work on an Egg" - THE EGG Marketing Board ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: an idiot writes...
by Sandy Blair 27 Oct '97

27 Oct '97

>>Tigermilk... should not be re-released. Let it stay collectable. >Do you have Tigermilk and not want anyone else to have it? Yes. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Sinister: re: promo ideas
by Skreddy56＠aol.com 27 Oct '97

27 Oct '97

I've got a neat idea for a promo... Put little Belle and Sebastian T-Shirt iron-ons in with the EP! You could put a different one in each format (grrr) so people would buy several copies, and you'd get walking promotional posters for the band all over the world! --Matt ps- Got a "Tiger's Milk" Peanut and Carob bar yesterday. I'm a bit afraid to eat it though. Also, the first thing I heard when I went to work yesterday (at a restaurant)-- "3...6...9 slices of bacon." Just felt like sharing. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- . This message was brought to you by the Sinister mailing list. . To send to the list please mail "sinister(a)majordomo.net". . For subscribing, unsubscribing and other list information please see . http://www.majordomo.net/sinister . For questions about how the list works mail owner-sinister(a)majordomo.net -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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